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A great villains turn from Christoph Waltz, who despite being underused is perfect for the part.
Not the best Bond film, but certainly a very very good Bond film. Easily better than QOS and SF and a very good contender for Craig's best. I look forward to his return in Bond 25.
Hmmmm....butterrr *drool*
(Oggled by Flaunders as Flaunders and family head to Peanuts)
Well, and the "shit" from Hinx ruined a brilliant fight for me already on the first viewing, and the romantic exchange following immediately is also paced very weirdly IMO. After that I had problems staying attached to what happened onscreen.
Bond many times had tonal shifts, for instance in MR, when Jaws comes out from under the debris of the Rio cable car and meets his girl, that was a paradigmal tonal shift. But until Mendes, I never had much problems to go along with it.
What I meant mainly is that the camera makes a lot of fancy movements, like for example the whole first shot with Bond and the girl going into the hotel. Some of those movements pull me into the film, but some are too self-conscious, as if shouting, "hey look what I can do with my camera". Both camera and direction have the problem of not being invisible. It´s funny, because there are directors who are much more obvious on first sight (e.g. Spielberg, Michael Mann), yet are not so intrusive throughout the movie.
IMO the fight showed how strong Hinx was. Bond swatted away those two securities in the clinic like flies, and here comes Hinx and throws Bond around like a piece of scrap. But it didn´t really show that Bond could still be hurt. He got more or less knocked out alright, but then immediately after the fight, he is ready to jump Madeline. Basically the same pattern was used with the torture scene.
I always smile at the bit in the train fight where the weakened and fatigued Bond goes to throw a punch at Hinx and spectacularly misses.
me is almost perfect. Typical Bond. I agree the third act is weak but nevertheless didn't take anything away from my enjoyment of the movie as a whole. Much better than SF which I found dreary and depressing - particularly when the action went up to Scotland. DC perfectly nails the role in SP. Never thought I'd say it - but a close second to Connery at his best.
I love how Craig does Bond in the film, but I find the film as a film not so good.
Agreed.
Agreed again.
What all four Craig films give us, is a more intellectual, intelligent theme interwoven in the Bond plot.
The four Brosnan films for me felt really....hollow, bar the role Elektra King. Brosnan's best Bond film for many still is GE. But with Craig the films didn't go downward after his 1st film. I don't get it why people much Craig's subsequent films as much as Brosnan's three subsequent films.
Be daring, and compare TND, TWINE, DAD with QOS, SF, SP. One then would realize that the Craig-quadrilogy is at least slightly more interesting than the four Brosnan films.
And SF and CR? Still, both are cultural, critical and financial Bond phenomenon. We had to wait since the 1960's for such a repeat of "Bond intelligence"
I'll agree with that.
I think it's necessary to see things into perspective. Like we do with the ranking topic. If we take all the SP bashing for granted, then it is at most as good as TND and DAD. And frankly, that's not the case of you ask me.
I prefer GE to SP by far, and that is unlikely to ever change either.
Right now I have SP above TND, but honestly, I would rather put TND in the blu ray player than SP.....it's a heck of a lot of fun while being a traditional Bond film, while SP is straddling the fence as far as I'm concerned, trying to be all deep on one hand and also trying to be flippant on the other hand. I will know for sure which I prefer after the blu ray comes out and I can compare it on the small screen with the other Bond films in a row.
I wouldn't go as far as to say SP is a TND or DAD-quality film. I think SP gets a fair amount of praise but the criticisms it gets tend to be geared more towards a few aspects rather than the film as a whole and those few aspects are vocally conveyed the most because they were avoidable had EoN not mismanaged their preproduction time. Sometimes, I think it's important and keeps things in perspective to stick to the main topic at hand rather than to tangentially start picking apart another actor and his respective era.
I don't dislike as much as you guys and did enjoy it but have to say it was disappointing, my first viewing I was kind of taken in but my 2nd viewing definitely some issues there. I would agree with Boldfinger that after Hinx exits it goes down hill rapidly.
I personally highly rate Skyfall and despite it's plot holes to me it has more dramatic weight whereas SPECTRE just feels lightweight and Bond is hardly in any jeopardy at all.
I think the PTS is great and the films is pretty much going great guns until after Bond and Swann's introduction and while I don't mind the chase with the plane it looks like something out of the Brosnan era.
As for the Blofeld element, they totally dropped the ball there and I really wish they'd never attempted all that Bond and Blofeld being connected. Some might be able to ignore it due to all throw backs and Craig swaggering about like full on Bond but to me it's too important to the story to ignore it and it undermines the whole thing.
I don't mind Craig being more flippant and humorous and he does it really well but it jars with all this personal nonsense it seems Mendes wanted to have his cake and eat it. Many are saying P&W should be sacked and maybe they should but I think it's clear who is to blame here, Logan with the assistance of Mendes egging him on.
Then be daring and put TND above SP in your ranking. Let SP drop four more spots in your ranking. The more I hear you talk about SP, the more I think it's a certified BOTTOM 7 in your TOP 24 ranking.
I agree with @doubleoego actually. But then....stick to the whole film on hand. One doesn't talk about the aspects and trivialities of TND. For instance how stupid and insane it is that no one properly checks their own GPS satellites, before threatening to shoot down a Chinese Mig. Hoppa, tampering with one computerized territorial circle, and the world powers suddenly are dumber than Putting and Erdoğan together.
I really think this forum needs a topic in which we discuss all flawed little details. In which we ridicule every Bond film to death, because no one asks him/herself HOW hugo Drax got the whole damn space station in a much higher than ordinary geostationary orbit. But no one asks that because THEY LOVE THE WHOLE DAMN FILM ON THE WHOLE BECAUSE IT WAS ENTERTAINING :-).
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I don't passionately like or dislike SP. It's just there.
Its weaknesses have been noted by many, not just myself. If I agree with the comments, then I state as much. When I have more to add, then I do, as I always do. There is much to criticize.....much that could have been done better. Some undeniable and obvious, and some more a matter of personal preference. If these items had been addressed, it could easily have been a much more balanced film for many more people and for me.
Currently it's at 10 for me mainly because it's new and fresh, despite its flaws. I understand that this could be because it's still one I've not seen enough times. I think it will indeed decline once I compare it directly with the other Bond classics, all on the blu ray format in a bondathon. I'm most interested to see how it will stack up against QoS.
Despite catering too much to American English I agree that TND is underrated as a Bond film.
It's just a straight Bond film no lofty goals beyond just to entertain.
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It's my favourite Brosnan film for just that reason. It was more the archetypal Bond film than GE thought it was and just carried along with sheer fun and confidence.
I tend to tune out with the Stealth Ship finale but then again the shoot em up conclusions in YOLT and TSWLM bored me too.
So it cuts both ways and conversations will focus on the details of the newest film in particular. That's always how it goes. Nothing new about that. If a film has more things to poke at, then it will be poked at.
I always enjoyed the passionate (and notably detailed), as well as interesting defenses I heard for SF as well as the negatives. They were always great to read, even if I didn't agree with them. That continued here up until a few months ago.....a good long 3 yrs after the film was released.
If you had put Craig's CR in place of Goldeneye (again, not possible; so these kind of ruminations are never exact or really accurate) it would not have floated everyone's boat like it did, deservedly so, when it arrived. It was fate for CR to happen when it did, and with the right actor, too.
Just to give my view, since I've seen SPECTRE and I enjoyed it tremendously. I still love Skyfall, by the way. Two quite different films, but both excellent.