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Agreed ...and not to mention we also had to endure the drama of not knowing what Logan was doing, then the leaks, and then the strange decision to turn to P&W in addition to the long wait.
It was a long three years in terms of fan commitment to Bond and this film.
agreed
I agree on that. Skyfall did have a sombre and emotional core which kept the audience engrossed with the story above and beyond the plot holes in order to see a Bond prove he wasn't past it and see if M survives the dual assassination on her life and career.
SPECTRE doesn't have as much time for them so I can appreciate if some audiences find it less satisfying on that level but the 'Secret Room' is a great little scene
Skyfall also benefited from a feeling of striving to be epic and iconic for the 50th anniversary. A great Bond theme and title sequence and stand out visual moments like the stalking of Patrice and Skyfall ablaze.
SPECTRE instead gives us more reverential moments rather than new icons for the series but again as per my earlier post, it's nice to see the Craig\Mendes take on it. Who'd have thought we'd get a SPECTRE boardroom meeting as chilling as we did.
I saw it for a third time today and loved the Dr No otherworldly feeling about the base in the desert. Particularity when Madeline is in her room. A futuristic view but with some 50s\60s chair furniture not out of place in Bond's hotel room from Dr No.
I will agree with what other's have said and that it needs to be seen twice. Once to get it out of your system as to what you expected it to be compared to CR and SF and then then again to savour the moments of what SP is offering.
Of course that is risky for the box office take for casual audiences and families who may not feel it is worth the cost of re-visit.
I think the Sony leaks and Craig's slit wrists comments have cast a shadow as otherwise I think most people who would see this film would think the franchise is still in a healthy state. If this has been Craig's debut film, like Brosnan had all the Bond tropes for him in GE, I think this would be seen as a high water mark effort.
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Yes, that is the feeling I have as well, even without seeing it. I'll add WoTW to that as well.....that is when my enthusiasm really began to wane a little and this was compounded by DC's comments. The leaks thing was from months ago and didn't really have any effect on me. The reviews really haven't hurt my perception that much.
I think you're right though.....if one can approach this film without expectations (and I will try to this week) then it probably will be really enjoyable. I've got my first showing in a prime seat in IMAX and then I'll catch it a couple of days later with friends, like I always do, somewhere else.
That's interesting especially if you find the real life not glossed over making of films fascinating.
I agree.
I don't agree at all.
I'm not "a younger fan" and I grew up with Moore. I love darker, I love lighter, that isn't the point, and I thought Craig was brilliant in SP. The movie on the whole had a lot of dark stuff in it. I've barely seen reviews from people who "can't stomach" SP, only a couple of negative ones. For the rest... not being head over heels in love with the movie is not the same as "can't stomach".
It always is, with any movie. Always.
I'm surprised how many people read reviews (here or press) before seeing the movie. I don't understand why people do.
I agree a lot with @Xandaca on first viewing, but having struggled with it, myself and a friend watching never felt it dragged on- given it was 2 an half hours.
and have to say, I even enjoyed it more the second time. :) and at no point
did I feel it dragged.
There does seem to be a select few who are almost encouraging the fans stateside to be unduly pessimistic and it's disheartening as I'm sure the majority will enjoy it.
There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the film and as a BOND film I do think it betters Skyfall. It may lack either the Fleming source novel or overtly emotional dramatic material to be an immediate classic but for any fan already disposed to the Craig films it's top ten material at least.
The strange thing is, for every one that cried out for, "the Bond we all know and love" that's precisely what we got; coupled with the fun aspect of what makes a Bond film a Bond film without ever crossing the line of embarrassing silliness; and now there are complaints because it's not a melancholic Bond outing that stirs the heart and flying kicks one in the gut. Ridiculous.
Yup it sure is. Some fans have moaned for years that the Craig films are too serious, and wanted a TSWLM type film as far back as QOS, they still didn't get it with SF, but do have it now with SP and yet the other side now puts the boot in!
That said although there are a few Roger moments it's still quite a dark and serious affair for the final segment. The
Agreed. SP retains an encompassing seriousness that's been threaded since CR but it definitely celebrates the enjoyability and fun factor that one typically expects from a Bond film.
I thought the first two thirds were great. Funnily
Enough so did the Sony execs when the script was going through its chaos. I just feel the end is underwhelming. There's a great film trying to get out its frustrating that it never realised its potential.
Trouble is That Craig's tenure took a different approach for the first 3. I think It's a case of be careful what you wish for. I'm not sure we need any Bond films like the old days anymore. It took Spectre to make me think that.
Everyone I know except one has commented the film is good not great. That's a shame because the premise is good and the opportunity was there.
That said I thought SF was underwhelming at first but I love that now. I'm sure I'll come round. Gonna see it for a third time this week.
Of course it's all opinion but surely there's nothing fundamentally wrong with the film unless everyone is of the same opinion about some of the supposed flaws and plot failings presented.
Instead plenty are saying they have enjoyed this rather than SP has major problems that impeded any enjoyment. The low expectations now set in some of the forum members yet to see it just isn't warranted...in my humble opinion.
I was on a total high until Smith opened his mouth. That previous early high was too much. It was unsustainable. It was bound for disappointment. So I have to thank him, and DC for taking me down quite a few pegs.
I'm just in the right place now to see SP and enjoy it, thanks to the balanced spoiler free reviews here and elsewhere that have not made it out that this is the greatest thing since sliced bread (I've been there and heard that nonsense with SF and it wasn't true then and it's probably not true now either).
The man I am most thankful to however is Smith. He is the one who pricked my bubble.
The best advice I can give to you and to any Bond fan, is to just sit back, relax and enjoy. If you want to pay attention to all the details and scrutinise, save it for your second or third viewing at the cinema. ;)
Great. Thx @doubleoego. I will do that. I have a tendency to overanalyze on the first viewing normally and then really enjoy it the 2nd time, but I'll try to do it the other way and see how it goes. As I said, I'm in a good place right now in terms of expectations.
Well I hope you do manage to enjoy it. It's always unfortunate waiting for so long for a Bond film only to be left disappointed but I think given your level of expectations as they are now you'll like it.
A 6 for me is an above average movie. I'll probably see it again tomorrow or the day after, but so far am standing by that. The good bits are great, the bad ranges from slightly misjudged to infuriating (everything to do with Oberhauser). It's currently 17/24 in my Bond movie rankings, couched between For Your Eyes Only (16th) and The Man With The Golden Gun. Considering there are only three Bonds I'd say are genuinely bad movies (Diamonds, View, Die Another Day), or at least ones I don't have enough affection for to compensate (Moonraker), it's in the section I'd classify as decent but noticeably flawed.
I think sometimes when i see a Bond film for the first time i'm anxious and nervous that it isn't going to be very good. So after I've watched it and found out it is good, with the next viewing(s) i can just sit back and enjoy.
Exactly........from a Bond fans perspective, obviously on first viewing of a new Bond film, you are a little anxious, coz you so much want to enjoy the film.
I will be seeing the film for a second time this week, just so i can catch up with the bits of the film i didn't really pick up first time.
btw: why is everyone getting so worked up on this film?..........forget the few negative things you've heard from some people.............just go and see the film for yourself.
If you spend your entire life basing your decisions on what some others have said......you aint gonna enjoy anything are you? Now come on! :)