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Precisely. As I said, now is not the time for objectivity in the Bond fandom community. Now is the time for worship and adulation. Objectivity will come no doubt, in time.
The guy writes books on Wes Anderson. Nuff said.
He's running this platitude as his review tag.
"Bags of Scrabble tiles make more sense."
My expectation that I'm going to the movie has not and will not change. Yes you're right and I was afraid that there would be a bias against the film.
I was surprised SF got the US reviews it did three years ago but anyway.
My worry is not their opinion but the BO impact and the later producers' response to "correct" in B25.
And then the studio change ....I really didn't want this response.
Three years ago when they went with Logan I knew off on the wrong foot. And yes I think they have a fun exciting film anyway.
I like QoS but is no way you can tell me that SP is not any more enjoyable than that. American audiences and critics were very disappointed and yes it wasn't a fun film but cmon.
Regarding QoS I said it wasn't a fun film but to me it was a good film.
Whatever I'm just concerned now.
Yes, and since @RC7 really liked SP more than SF....I am especially curious what to make of it :-D!
Exactly. Critics reviews and box office returns won't mean a thing when you're sitting there watching the movie at your house in a few months time - all that will truly matter is whether or not you love it.
Want the films to be worth making. I think the producers have realized that Bond has to be critically better hence the attempts starting with TWINE to elevate the series. I also imagine the producers want on a personal note to preserve and keep alive that legacy for their kids taking over the business.
Very true. I agree. In the end one's personal experience is all that really matters.
However, this thread is for the reviews and we shouldn't go out of our way to dismiss them so readily if they don't fit our own opinions or viewpoints. They serve a purpose in the end. If there is an agenda, we will see it. However, as the number of reviews increase (from various independent sources), simple statistics suggest that the number/rating at the end should bear some relationship to the overall critical view/opinion of the film (which is quite different from box office). We're not there yet, but we will be in a couple of weeks.
I enjoy reading the reviews and I don't take them personally. They are just people after all and they are entitled to their opinions. I don't have to agree with them (in fact, I'm quite certain I won't).
However, I can see how the reviews can impact people's perception......even die-hard Bond fans. They are influential, and I guess your point is (correctly) that they really shouldn't be to the point where they affect us.
A lot of people aren't confident in forming an opinion and search for justification from other quarters to bolster their loose thoughts.
Yes, me too. That's unlikely ever to happen though, with all the talent involved in a Bond production (except, perhaps on the script front).
We're just all having to get used to the rest of the world coming back down to reality after all the SF hoopla/euphoria (perhaps unjustified) from 3 yrs ago. To be expected.
This is just shocking and only serves to demonstrate the need to do away with critics and just let people think and judge for themselves. SF was good but as @jasonbond said, it's bizarrely overrated and SP imo is a superior film but is coasting towards being lumbered with QoS? Jeez.
Lovely stamp of approval there.
True but when the arguments made to bash the movie are flimsy and hypocritical and worse yet demonstrate a lack of knowledge of tge movie presented before them, they're just screaming to be punched in the face.
Bond is a British institution. It's not an American one. So the decline is understandable and should have been expected. If SP started out at 95% - 97% with the UK (I think SF did), then we could have expected it to settle in the high 80's/low 90's.
So again, this is not unexpected. I could tell when they started coming in last week that this was not going to be universal praise or even exuberance (by reading the details rather than looking at the numerics).
I'm anxious to see if it's all justified (understanding that my view is one of many and just mho!).
Shouldn't matter at all though. All that matters is having fun and enjoying the positives. We've waited long enough and it's not like we're going to get another one any time soon....
"QOS" was from the very first moment a 'blunted' Bond film, even in the UK. And even that film premiered earlier in the UK than the States. Frankly, it has always been like that. But "SPECTRE"s current RT rating of 65% (!!)? Really, this just looks weird :-).
I'm not reading excess negativity in the reviews. They are well argued for the most part and consistent.
As I said on another thread, perhaps the emotional quotient (which was in CR/SF no matter what one thinks of it) is not there, and this is what is hurting perceptions (reviewers are people like all of us......and maybe recent Bond films have spoiled them with that high which comes from the emotional connection....particularly in the States, an emotional factor is important). Just speculation.
Interesting that many fans here are saying the 2nd time is the charm for them. That was the case with QoS too (which gets better and better with repeat viewings for many, including myself).
I'm really looking forward to my own viewing and will keep an open mind and just try to enjoy it the first time out, as others have asked me to.
It was my fault, but I was most certainly responsible for amping SF up to be perfection and after a four year wait, was sorely disappointed. As excited as I am that we have a new Bond movie just days away, I'm still trying to remain grounded so I don't let it happen again.
By that score I must accept One Direction are great artists. No thanks. I've always justified why I believe films to be overrated/underrated.
There is definitely some agenda going on with this kind of attack. The negative stuff in the leaks, SP coming after too many other similar spy films, particularly MI5 which is too similar, snotty self promotion, whatever. I don't know. The non US critics aren't idiots. Something doesn't add up.
The Forbes review is the one that seems like bashing. The others so far are spinning negative, but they are reasonably justified arguments being put forward (at least it seems so).
Let's see how it plays out over the next couple of days.
I had a feeling this would happen, but only from reading the UK reviews, which although they were quite positive (numerically), did mention (but somewhat glossed over and weren't too concerned about) the same things that the US seems to be fixating on.
My point is, from the UK reviews, and from some fan review comments on our site, I could see that the ammunition was there in the film to bash, if one wanted to go down this path. The narrative writes itself in a way. Throw a dog a bone.......