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I probably would have preferred Blofeld to have escaped in the helicopter and have Bond almost be killed trying to save Madeline. However, both manage to survive and head off into the sunset (Craig needed to get his woman this time).
Quite.
My preference is for Blofeld not to turn up in London at all but if he has to be there then have him escape.
Also the whole 'Madeline tied to a chair while the bomb counts down' feels like something that was already old hat in silent films. Is that really the best they could come up with?
Why not go the whole hog and have her tied to a train track while Blofeld twirls his moustache?
Except in Craig/Mendes world everything is connected so you can't look at anything in isolation.
You can kid yourself that Bond has his victory because it seems like Blofeld is beaten but we all know that until he's dead he is not vanquished. Like it or not Blofeld is not beaten because he's still alive. In the world of film prison for people like Blofeld only means they will return in the next installment.
Yes it seems like Bond has driven off I to the sunset with the girl but this victory is illusory because we know by the laws of the Bond universe that Blofeld must escape rather than sitting in chokey for 50 years and Madeline also must die, or at the very least not end up celebrating her Ruby wedding anniversary with Bond.
PS can anyone imagine Callahan arresting Scorpio? He created a situation that allowed Scorpio to go for the gun and, therefore, Callahan was justified in killing him. Arrest and the course of justice was not enough. Only death is enough (now there's another potential Bond title?) and that was the only resolution acceptable to Callahan and, by implication, the audience who fight for justice along side him. For Bond, the license to kill is the main foundation of his character and role as a double o agent. Once the writers start messing with that (license to arrest? license to kill if he is in the right mood?), you are in dangerous waters. I think, only after the initial excitement is over, are many fans realising what a mess Spectre is in terms of what that have done to his basic character and background.
Of course Blofeld will return! His defeat is still completed in SP: his plan failed and he got captive. If someone is tried for murder and condemned, the trial was a success for the prosecution, whether the convicted escapes from jail afterwards. If you consider Bond's victory illusory in this case, then it is illusory in DN, FRWL, TB, YOLT and DAF. Victory are fleeting things, that's their nature, they are not permanent things. Not in fiction, not in real life.
Somethings i wil mabey re-use for my review.
Spoiler = Dutch translation.
I wil give opening of movie and Holiday in Marocco a more warm feel. I whant to see more swet on Bond and the two girls. A bit of Casino Royale Madagascar. Spectre be a bit in middle. But a lot of Spectre overall is middle.
I am happy there return to film. Directer, editor and production designer and art directers should have take note of greenscreen/cardboard mistake far behind the church. I think this happend because of Helicopter scene. I think it is done like helicopter / motorbike scene in Tomorrow Never Dies. But i am so happy the movie was filming on film and for now i wil forgive this mistake. Because it was not so worse as Ice surfing scene mistake of Die Another Day.
In Skyfall it whas Moneypenny and introduction. This time that silly line go to Frans and his line, from now on you can name me.. Also Bond's to fast/easy take over. I wil cut it and keep the mystery. Showing the cat be for that moment enough. I get idea there use new fans as big excuse, a bad choose. Close two end of movie we get two better/smatters symbols. One of them i see reference to Diamonds Are Forever and other one on a bridge to For Your Eyes Only. But more about that in my review.
The movie feels 30-40 minutes to long. 128 minutes screentime insteed of 148. In cinema i notice people have troubles with screentime, whyle watching the movie. Realy get idea the other audince are happy when it end. Me too.
Introduction of Sedoux be to long and to predectible. There are 3-4 moments that hint the end. Scene's i cut or change to make movie les long are atleast: Last Q scene and whyle i understand symbol of it, i cut also the last scene of movie who followed. Mabey i take the option to changed it a bit with making scene with Q a bit shorter, with Bond not asking but taking. A bit like earlier part with the other car, that scene i changed a litle bit too. Bond get notice of car not introduced to the car. This also complete cut joke with the watch who don't expect in the actualy movie. Insteed the watch wil be in or on the dashboard of the car.
Bond kills the bad guys, that is the nature of his license. If defeat comes in the form of arrest and trial, then we see Bond brought down to the level of a policeman. Its like a superhero choosing not to use their special powers. Bond is a type of superhero in that he has that license and has used it many times.
No, the nature of his license is to allow him to kill when necessary, if necessary and that he is allowed to make this decision. M actually made a point about it in the movie. It was also referred to in previous movies and not only in the Craig era. If M revokes Bond's license to kill in LTK, it is because he considers that Bond cannot make that decision anymore. And in this movie and others (DN, TWINE, CR, QOS), Bond captures a villain or tries to.
And even in the novels, Bond sometimes does not kill the badguy, or tries not to when possible. In OHMSS, he tries to set a trap for Blofeld to leave Piz Gloria and have him captured. In SP, there was no reason for him to kill Blofeld: the man was defenseless, unable to escape anymore and he was a far more valuable as a prisoner than as a trophy. And Blofeld was also asking for it. So why would Bond grant him his wish?
Bottom line Bond is not Dirty Harry and his license to kill is not an obligation to kill: he is meant to know when it is the right course of action to kill.
I'll agree with that. My gripe is that the foster brother angle hurt Blofeld's credibility and menace.
But Blofeld could still have his scheme thwarted and escape.
Maybe it's more in the way the climax was done with the shooting down of the helicopter that I had a problem with. Somehow it didn't seem as gripping or as tense as it was intended. It seemed a bit...run of the mill IMO.
A pity really, because I think the first half of SP was great.
I agree. But this is also very Fleming (CR, MR, DAF, TMWTGG), albeit one of his weaker plot devices.
I don't mind him being captured, I understand why they wanted him captured: the victory as I mentioned is thus more certain, unambiguous (so far every Craig ending had been bittersweet). And he'd escaped in about three movies or so (albeit in a different timeline and incarnation). But furthermore, Blofeld wanted to be killed, challenged Bond to do it. Why would Bond take the bait? Especially since Blofeld has potentially vital information he can provide if interrogated. He might not want to give them, but why not take the chance? And like I said, it's not like Bond in both movies and novels did not capture or try to capture people in the past, instead of killing them. Case in point, OHMSS. I do agree that the way Blofeld was captured was a bit thin. After Bond survives the last ordeal, Blofeld becomes a mere target. Not unlike Jack Spang in DAF.
The song and titles could be much better.
Léa Seydoux and Monica Bellucci were boring bond girls.
Less bland london location shoots.
No more db5. Time to retire it. The db10 looked great. Twice as good as the db5. :)
Less bland london location shoots.
No more db5. Time to retire it. The db10 looked great. Twice as good as the db5. :)[/quote]
The last word I would use to describe Bellucci is boring.
My opinion is diametrically opposed to yours on all those counts. Well EXCEPT for the theme.
SP garners such strong opinions though. You can pretty much pick and choose any number of reasons why you hate it or love it.
I disagree on all of this. The SPECTRE meeting looked poor? Bellucci is bland? Come on.
How old are you, 12 ?
Apparently I'm old enough to appreciate their types of beauty. And their acting skills.
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Lame joke I know, but if Léa Seydoux and Monica Bellucci are not worthy of being Bond girls, then who is?
They most definitely are worthy. What wasn't worthy was their script.
I don't always get the criteria some use to judge the quality of casting or performance.
We can debate the script and their respective characters as written. But the criticism we objected to here was about their casting unless I'm mistaken.
Yes I know that. I was trying to support your response to @001 but never mind.