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Not sure I agree with "always", but the pinnacle of what you mentioned was obviously AVTAK, where Roger Moore bedded Tanya Roberts, whose mother was younger than him.
I pretty much agree with everything that has been said so far, this whole thing got kicked off by TheWizardOfIces original comment that Bond girls only exist to get shagged and to die in the movies and don't need to be any better, which I believe to be quite wrong as they already ARE much much better than those low standards.
The age thing is still an issue as mentioned above, AVTAK by far being the biggest offender. Hoping that changes as the movies go on as well.
Let's revisit once you've watched MI-RN. You may have a change of heart. You like TND, so you will like that one.
I said almost always. GF was at least one exception & there are prolly a few others but, yes, AVATK was nauseatingly lecherous (to me).
It's difficult to tell if Anya was a strong character because the role was encumbered by surely one of the worst actresses we've ever had as a lead Bond girl.
Holly Goodhead\Lois Chiles on the other hand is woefully underrated. Even if the standard issue CIA handbag and perfume set Bond identified seems a tad sexist.
I admit to having a soft spot for Anya, especially in her black dress, so I forgive a lot with her.
I agree on Goodhead/Chiles. Very modern woman and played very well by Chiles.....not a hint of a damsel in distress. Even the clothing was quite business like with no revealing dress or anything like that.
If we took "Rogue Nation" and copied it in its entiry. Attached a gunbarrel in front, used a Bond-like main titles sequence, and replaced Tom Cruise by Daniel Craig, then I would be completely disappointed. "Rogue Nation" works as an "M:I"-film...nothing more.
Barbara Bach is such a lovely lady too but she does little with the role. That said her glowering look at Naomi is probably my favourite moment from her.
If we must have another agent Bond girl in the future, then the series could do no worse than emulate Holly. Love her deflating Bond with the comments "If you're trying to be ingratiating Mr Bond, don't bother" and "The face is familiar, as is the manner". She's crucial to the plot in getting Bond up to the station and resourceful when up there.
It's a nice touch that we're given a Bond girl who's one step ahead of Bond in his mission too.
I don't know, I would pay to see that; with a little tweaking that would be a damn good Bond film. In fact when I saw RN the second time, at times, I did just that; I pictured Bond in place of Hunt. How hard would it be to get Daniel on the wing of a real plane?
Sorry, but that action sequence was so tremendously overblown. First of all, everyone who's properly wired can do that....on just a flying plane.
But do you see Tom Cruise skiing off a cliff?
Do you see him being wired on a helicopter that actually makes loopings in high air?
Do you see Cruise actually finishing the proper PTS with a good high-air parachute jump?
Is that Cruise on that motorbike?
Sorry, I found it rather tedious marketing. Because in essence Tom Cruise is very much like Daniel Craig when it comes to stunts.....and the other way around.
By the way, it's quite easy to picture Bond in a non-Bond-spy film nowadays. But I do think the Bond franchise is getting into trouble if we can't enjoy Bond...being Bond anymore in his own film. Part of it has to do with the fact that there were so bloody many spy films this year. But I think it's unfair.
For me, it all comes down to the actual experience in the theatre and shortly thereafter. How do I feel as I leave the theatre? How do I feel during the film? How do I feel during the 2nd watch?
I don't care if Cruise or Craig are hanging off a plane (I loved the CR parkour but I'm sure Craig wasn't jumping off that crane for real). I'm more interested in how the action sequences are devised and executed. How original do they feel? How tense do they feel?
They were both good, but MI-RN aced being an MI film. It exceeded my expectations for MI.
I feel Bond could have done 'Bond' a bit better than it did this year. Admittedly, my Bond expectations are very high.
yeah exactly. Well....I'm going to bed :-). Stupid Bond films and M:I-films
Perhaps it's time to kill of Daniel Craig and make Tom Cruise agent 007. Past 7 years....Bond has been criticised to death. Even SF was mostly roasted here. QOS too. SP too.
No matter how one twist and turns their words here...it eventually windles down to the...bad parts of the film. It never.......ends up with the good stuff a film has to offer. And makes me rather.....well....I go to bed hehehe
And again to you all that are blaming America. .. remember we liked SF and did our part. And SF outperformed MI: GP.
EON is going to have to produce a better written film to get the BO back.
How's that for being blunt for a change and putting the blame on the filmmakers not North America.
I am very sorry, but I find the remarks of "SPECTRE"'s script being exaggerated. I mean, just ask those forummembers in here who 'attacked' "Skyfall"s screenplay for being way to 'accidental'. It was criticised for including too many events for which no clear explanation for all of Silva's actions. Not that it irritated me a lot. But Silva had no backing of a syndicate, had no 'right hand' who was executing his plans (Denbigh), and it wasn't clear how he managed to attack the MI6-building, and several other parts of London. Not to mention how he managed to get half of the London police working for him (it all looked very much like The Joker's work, and funny enough no one really criticised "The Dark Knight" for that).
"SPECTRE" however explained much better how the villain's scheme was executed. And other terrorist attacks (Cape Town, Tunesia, Hamburg) were wisely put out of the main plot. Mr White was already heavily investigating Oberhauser/Blofeld. And by seeing actually how the crime syndicate S.P.E.C.T.R.E. works back in Rome, there's much more explained.
Yes, perhaps the whole background story of how Bond and Oberhauser/Blofeld were related was a bit over-the-top. But IMO way less 'irritating' as not explaining how Blofeld manages to hollow out an entire volcano in Japan without a Japanese secret service noticing it. At least it was all explained how Bond and Blofeld/Oberhauser were related. 'Q' showed it on his laptop. And if only much earlier the crime syndicate in "Quantum Of Solace" was named S.P.E.C.T.R.E. then no one would have moaned.
In "Rogue Nation" it isn't really explained or visible how the Syndicate operates. Ethan Hunt has collected a lot of news articles and pictures of previous attacks that were co-organized by that Syndicate. The Syndicate is kust "there", and in "SPECTRE" the organisation is there as well, but audiences are introduced to it in a better way I think. In "Rogue Nation" Lane is much more like Silva in "Skyfall": A man who gets his scheme executed, but we don't know really how the Syndicate is organized.
I think the main reason people 'dislike' the script for "SPECTRE" is the 2nd storyline set in London, where Denbigh is handling things for S.P.E.C.T.R.E. And I also think the personal backstory, though not as contrived as I expected it to be, was something people disliked. Though it was always neatly explained (By the way, we didn't mind "Batman Begins" for that reason...). Ooowh, and not to forget, there's this general idea that the Sonyleaks and this so called "3rd act" caused this. Sorry....that's a bit over the top for me.
Mi-RN was like SF in that respect as you note. In MI-RN, the syndicate is incidental to the action spectacle. Is Lane the top dog? Who knows? I don't think so actually, and it's possible we will learn more in future films. All we know here is there is a fella with a grudge (anti-IMF).
I thought both films had endings that could have been better (I didn't really like either London finale).
Yes, it did. However, TDK is pure fantasy (it's Batman after all). So they have more creative license with the viewer I think.
Well, Silva's actions were now more or less properly explained in "SPECTRE". I always wanted that to be explained a bit better in "Skyfall"...that at least someone mentions an organisation backing Silva's scheme. Now we discover that's the case. But no one likes it :-). *sigh*
Then people should not complain about this with "Skyfall" and carry over the complaints slightly differently to "SPECTRE" I think. "They" listen to you, and in the next film we complain again. Sorry, I find that a bit disheartening
The reason why I didn't particularly like the Silva retcon is as follows:
-For the most part, those who liked SF did not care about the plot holes. The revenge aspect had resonance. Bardem/Dench sold it to the audience. That's why the film was huge. The plot was secondary. It was an emotional journey about betrayal.
I don't think, by retconning, that they have necessarily brought people who disliked the film initially into the fold. Such people still seem to dislike it for whatever reason.
The retcon has, however, potentially cast an uncomfortable shadow for some (including me) on what was a simple revenge tale. So I may look at SF differently now (and not so positively) when I watch it again......because I realize Silva is just another SPECTRE operative. I'm not sure because I've not seen it since I watched SP, but I'd actually prefer to just ignore the retcon and focus on the revenge aspect, which I found fascinating.
And, it's rather unique in the Bond franchise history. It also re-confirms my idea that with "Casino Royale" a complete new timeline/universe was created.