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And beside a number of the terrorist actions targeted either people that had NOTHING to do with their government's actions or were motivated by religious reasons. CH were not in the oil business and were murdered for strictly religious reasons, because in the eye of their murderers they had committed blasphemy.
If your sense of belonging resides withing your religion rather than your country, a clash is inevitable as "your Country needs you" is the default position within Western culture. This very strong emotional link is something that many non-Mulims fail to appreciate (including Blair).
You seem like an intelligent and fair minded person. You probably have a reasonable life, as do all of us (anyone who can spend time on these forums can't be doing all that poorly).
There were 3 terrorist attacks last week. One in Beirut, one with the Russian plane and one in Paris. We have a thread legitimately dedicated to Paris here. 12 pages long. We had a much longer one dedicated to CH. Where is the thread or any mention or discussion of the Russian or Lebanese lives lost? Do they not matter?
If we can make distinctions (subconsciously) as to which lives lost we 'relate to' and feel more aggrieved about, as educated people in a western society, why can't we understand the enemy doing the same, whether they be in Syria, or on our shores.
People relate to others in many ways, and not just on religious grounds, but also on cultural ones. I'm not religious at all, but I care for the Parisian lives lost. I also care about the Russian lives lost just as equally......and the Syrian ones. All innocent lives matter.
So yes, those attackers were reportedly from our shores (the scariest kind). They are sympathizers. They could be economically underprivileged or they could be well to do.....who knows? Bottom line, if we can sympathize somewhat selectively, why can't they?
Furthermore, if, as you rightly note, the attackers were reportedly from our shores, why isn't France bombing Belgium? Why not Greece? Why did the US bomb Iraq for 911? Why not Saudi (where several of the attackers came from)? Why don't we discuss that here?
If we, as intelligent and educated people, appear to see the enemy simplistically as a monolithic parasite, why are we surprised when they see us similarly?
A lot of good points in that, I will never forgive bush & blair for getting us into IRAQ with absolutely no F**king idea about how to fill the void, you could perhaps on some fronts excuse the invation of AFGANISTAN, it was the home of al qeada, but again we had no coherent plan for the aftermath & whats happening now, the taliban are taking ground back month on month, it's all course & effect you can't unsrcamble eggs. IMHO we should leave these countries to solve their own problems, put up the fences & pull up the drawbridge, give any young Muslim a one way ticket to the war zone if they want to fight, withdraw their citizanship & let them get on with it.
My biggest problem is the rightous rhetoric that comes from politicians standing behind multiple layers of security, people in class houses shouldn't throw stones.
I think a strong speach against invading Iraq from a British Primer Minister might have had an impact on the debate in the US. Clearly we're just talking hypotheticals, but if Blair had actually been a wise and good friend of the US he might have tried to talk Bush out of it.
Bush is not a bad man, I don't think, but Cheney and Rumsfeld are.
Imagine Blair convincing the Clintons that invading Iraq was a bad idea, and perhaps even convincing Colin Powell to act on his doubts. That would have been a powerful alliance against the invasion.
Probably on balance the U.S. would have still gone in, but at least Britain would have done her duty as a true friend and ally. Blair represented no one - he destroyed his own reputation and damaged Britains standing in the world.
It's sickening how even now Blair cannot admit that he was wrong. His soul is corrupted by power, ego and money. A clever but deluded fool.
And now you know why people pray. Lots and lots and lots of them, all through the history of the human race. That's not going to stop anytime soon. Religion isn't going away. Period. Full stop. What needs to be done is to educate people on the counterproductive results that are inherent in the use of force, rather than persuasion, to achieve one's aims.
As an American, I just hope Europeans as a whole are smarter about their response to this tragedy, than we Americans were about 9/11. I was on the streets of San Francisco, protesting the night the invasion of Iraq was due to begin. As noted several times on this board, the actions of our foolish, in-over-his-head president destabilized an already sketchy situation. I only hope you lot can behave more rationally than we did.
They are the personification of pure evil if you ask me. Some politicians in Netherlands already compared IS with the Nazi's. And the comparison is in certain ways logical. Both the Nazi's and IS were trying to exterminate certain 'impure' human beings...or what they thought was impure according to their beliefs.
The biggest difference is, that IS eyes its obliteration on the entire population of Earth that doesn't fulfill their beliefs. Whereas the Nazi's eyed its obliteration on a minority of people and used it as a scapegoat.
Well Tony caught Catholicism and of course Dubya was guided by The Lord to bomb Iraq so instead of criticising them how about we all just respect their beliefs?
Camerons statement today would appear to illustrate our politicians are exactly the same.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34846457
Which is why The Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail are so desperate to smear Jeremy Corbyn because he is not the same as them
Yes that's the thing. God spoke to them. The war could literally have been avoided had they taken lithium.
Totally agree - cannot get my head round anyone thinking this! As if the people of the US would be happy if they were invaded by Saudi Arabia
And, off course, Saudi petro-dollars didn't influence Blair or Bush at all..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia_lobby_in_the_United_States
Once ISIS took control of oilfields and began to threaten Saudi Arabia, they became the latest people to be dubbed 'the new Nazis / worse than Hitler'
How about over a billion people in Africa and Asia being invaded, subdued, enslaved and/or killed by Arabia and their power tools?
I agree with some of the previous comments, the UK, US, Russia, France should not be involved in the civil war in Syria. Obviously Iraq is different due to US led coalition's war in 2003 but we should have no direct involvement in Syria. It is a civil war, an internal conflict. I wonder if there are reasons for involvement in the middle east - control of oil reserves, the sale of oil, selling of arms to whatever terrorist group we favour at the time, etc. I think it's naive to think this is just about good vs evil. Even the so called 'good' sides have hidden agendas. I think most of it comes down to Western and Russian sale of arms to these countries.
And surely a rendition of 'No surrender to the ISIS scum' has to be a crowd favourite on the night?
Belgium v Spain been pulled as well.
Come on our boys - let's have a bit of Dunkirk spirit. This is now the most important match we have played for a very long time. In some senses ever.
F**k these c**ts and come on Engerland!!
Useless remarks I'm afraid, relativists IMO have a strong agenda, the "real" relativists are actually very rare ;)