It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
I just took the time to read quickly your rant. Humorless I don't know. I find it ironic that you accuse me of trolling and being obsessive while you are the one writing a long, hysterical, aggressive post filled with insults, ad hominem attacks and enough strawmen to make one sneeze if he has hay fever. I can tell you don't waste your time reading me: you didn't seem to have bothered reading the post you've been so vehemently attacking.
Emotionally damaged people who bring nothing positive or healing to the human race, just more damage. A system of reward and punishment and salvationism, it is so absurd I have no words.
And it's not whether you are good or not, it is whether you belief or don't. Or more precisely, whether you worship or don't.
Someone here - I forget whom - compared the whole thing to believing in Santa and that you have to leave milk out for him, etc. Tbh I think this is not far off and basically sums up the problem - you are not dealing with a rational group of individuals. There are no 'demands' and no 'rules' (a la Cold War, IRA threat, etc).
The weapon being used is a warped form of an ideology that has been around for so long that it has become a powerful 'même' - and idea so deeply ingrained and easily passed on from one weak-minded individual to another that you can no longer convince these ‘converts’ of any other way, and any negotiation is void & futile.
Daesh needs to be tackled from an ideological POV – take on this Salafistic movement that have a literal interpretation of the seven ‘Verses of the Sword’ as they are known, and the Western military forces should concentrate on taking away as much of their territory as possible – their ‘Kalifate’ as they call it is integral to the movement – without the Kalifate there is no ‘Islamic State’, and the whole ideology crumbles…
Superb!
Remember above all though, people who still go on believing in Santa beyond the age of 12 should be respected by the rest of us.
Well that's certainly the biggest load of bollocks I've read in a long time! Still, its trite over-simplicity gave me a laugh. Please don't mix up the fact that the rather crass Santa is now more famous at Christmas in the West than a certain baby is, with religion.
Imagine parents believing in Santa and forgetting they're the ones who ate the cookies and drank the milk.
The UK is no longer a Christian nation because its citizens are not exclusively Christian and because those who are are in the vast majority non practicing and secular. Unfortunately it is by law, as it has an official Church. We need to make it truly secular including in the House of Lords.
At least we no longer have a law against blasphemy. But when it did it's quite telling that Islamists wanted the law to extend to their faith.
Slavery in the worst conditions: imagine his Little Helpers working in a factory in the North Pole. Oh and Santa spies on little children all year long.
This from the bloke who had the temerity in his previous post to write 'that's certainly the biggest load of bollocks I've read in a long time'!?!??!
Utterly preposterous post Sir. I think you might have just confused the UK with Saudi Arabia.
I follow and abide by the law of the land but there is no 'state religion' I have to follow if I wish to live and work here. I'm a free man and can choose whether or not I believe in some made up bullshit just as others can.
But according to you I am not welcome in this country due to my not toeing the extremist Christian line you seem to be propagating?
I'm sorely disappointed in you Draggers - or should I call you Mullah Dragonpol now? When are you getting fitted with your prosthetic hooks?
A truly shameful post Sir.
Law and state religion are not to be confused. Last time I checked the UK had and exercised freedom of conscience and you can believe in whatever God you want... Or no God at all. An atheist is on the £10 bills, even. And it's an archbishop from the C of E who thought it was a great idea for Muslims to be subject to sharia law.
Well maybe I went too far there but I'm just sick to death of all the whining about the handful of bishops who happen to still sit in the House of Lords. That was what my "state religion" term was a reference to. As a side point I'm not an Anglican so they don't represent me either but I do find it tedious that @Ludovico and others here have such a problem with this fact. They seem to forget that these bishops have no power whatsoever to influence anything and are outnumbered by 700 odd other party political members of their Lordships' House. If you don't like our system you don't have to live here - it's a simple as that. What will whining achieve? Nothing. So please put a cork in it unless you intend to become an MP, get elected to Parliament and change the law through a Private Members' Bill to remove the bishops.
And I think I don't have to comment on the Mullah Dragonpol and Saudi Arabia parts of your post, @TheWizardOfIce except to say that they are utterly absurd and unbecoming of your usual intellect and erudition.
Why would there be an imam there anyway to either defend or attack? I don't class this as a Muslim country by any stretch so it's a non-starter for an argument.
That said, the removal of the bishops would not get me jumping up to defend the Church of England. I'm a Presbyterian and Anglicans persecuted us for years!
On the contrary. @Drangonpol seems quite happy to have people who have no mandate from the electorate voting on issues just as long as they are outnumbered and so have 'no power whatsoever to influence anything'.
No doubt he would embrace 26 imams who believed in sharia law being extended across the land sitting in the House of Lords also as the other lords would outnumber them?
Maybe 26 Flat Earth Society members and 26 people who still think leeches cure all ailments too?
Just as long as people with archaic beliefs are outnumbered by rational people then apparently the principle doesn't matter.
I do wonder though at what number of religious lords @Dragonpol would consider our whining might have a point? 36? 106? 506?
However, there are clearly a lot of people with archaic beliefs (God help their poor souls) still in Government who are happy with the status quo. Such a pity they can't see sense.
I'm sure that @TheWizardOfIce will be jumping for joy when Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister and puts all of this right.
All organised religions love to make these issues as complicated as they can in order to muddy the philosophical waters. By making the issues deep and mystical, they offer something that is complex and weave one fairy tale with another and jump at every chance make it more complex. For example, they say that:
"religion does so much good."
"religion offers hope and comfort"
"religion is a steadying , consistent influence"
"religion has the power to bring people together"
"reigion exists beyond our physical World and cannot be explained by science"
"faith in a religion is a virtue that brings unique positives"
"non believers really don't understand religion and need to be more open minded rather than evidence based"
now reread the above claims and replace religion with Santa (or fairies, whatever you like)
it really is that simple.
*chokes on soda; falls off chair*
If you can't change something why keep harping on about it. Nobody (Sir Winston Churchill included) said that democracies were 100% perfect. Not everyone will be happy with the ancient rules of our unwritten constitution in the UK. I can live with that without obsessing and taking a coronary over it.
And with that said I'm bailing of this thread and it's tiresome and has moved well beyond its remit (on terrorism in France) to become yet another excuse to harangue religion and people of faith.
"I'm right and you're wrong...blah, blah, blah..." Well I'm not wasting any more of my time on it. The rest of you can if you wish.
"open debate and questioning religion is seen as a taboo in many situations as can upset and offend those of faith"