Deadly attacks in Paris / Brussels / Nice (07/14/2016)

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    patb wrote: »

    Problem with religions is the more one turns into a joke the more serious it's practitioners become. And nastier too.
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    check mate Islam?
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Then surely all games must be banned, infact everthing will have to be banned
    as you can gamble on absolutely anything.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I want a Cruz or Trump to win the U.S. Presidency so the middle east can just be surgically carpet-nuked to get rid of all the radical Muslims now poised to invade & take over my country!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Palin for VP. It may happen yet, but 8 yrs later than originally feared.
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    "surgically carpet-nuke" a wonderful oxymoron
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    patb wrote: »
    "surgically carpet-nuke" a wonderful oxymoron
    Worthy of the Tea-Partiers if I do say so myself. ;))
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 2,015
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I have, however, spoken with several academic researchers who independently told me about the Nazis proving a cause-and-effect relationship between smoking and lung cancer long before the rest of the world jumped on that wagon (of course it helped that Hitler himself disliked the habit of smoking).

    It has most probably nothing to do with experiments in the concentration camps, you can find in the litterature a big breakthrough by a German scientist in 1939 in Cologne, for instance, maybe that's what they tell you about. I don't think they told you it was proven thanks to experiments in the camps...

    And, frankly, as I wrote before, how can you imagine people living long enough in a concentration camp to develop a cancer in a medical study ? Can you imagine the Nazis selecting Jews to live confortably (in order not to die from other reasons first) with cigarettes at will to study if they will have a cancer a few years after ?

    I think you're mixing things with the fact that the Nazi made a stronger anti-tobacco policy than there was before them, or things like that. Science outside the camp.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Of course no-one publicly celebrated the Nazis numerical legacy.

    Well I feel like the answer is "I don't have any more examples to give because of it's secret", no ? I gave you an example that is close to what you write about, and even that means you start with subjects in so poor conditions that it's not sure it's meaningful.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Lest I be mistaken for a Nazi sympathiser - which I am NOT - I wish to point out that none of the suffering was worth it!

    Well, your only example is unrelated to the Nazi experiments and your other examples are so secret people won't talk about them (you'd dismiss that attitude, I guess, from anyone else on any other topic no ?).

    It's a far stretch from "a great amount of useful knowledge" that we all benefit from. I don't feel like we're nowadays having treatments that scientists can't discuss publicly because of their origins :)

    There are many examples of Nazi inventing or promoting things that are seen now in a positive light by some, and those populary under the Nazi is a big touchy problem.

    Just ask the vegetarians, there's a whole litterature devoted to the attempt of proving that Hitler and lots of the most influent Nazis around him, were not "really" vegetarians :)

    There's no need to invent a secret Nazi science that would have a secret big influence on the Western science. You have Von Braun and the NASA already, rockets built thanks to Nazi prototypes costing the lives of thousands of prisoners during WWII ! It's not a "big secret".

    Watch out, the love of hidden paradox that shock the political correctness, can make some write weird things... IMO you'll have problem listing the "great amount of useful knowledge on the human body" that was created in the camps. People there are not having the life of other people, to start with. And if the rocket doesn't care what is the state of mind of the people assembling it, the body does care a lot !
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Palin for VP. It may happen yet, but 8 yrs later than originally feared.

    I doubt it. She almost singlehandedly sank the McCain campaign in 2008. And she did this with a well intentioned (although dim witted and senile) presidential candidate. Just imagine the embarrassing campaign she can run with a barking mad, ill intentioned, wannabe incestuous presidential candidate. She turned away independent voters in 2008 now she can turn away republicans too.

    But we are off topic. Although maybe not so much: they think and speak like mullahs. Only the branding is different.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @Suivez_ce_parachute,
    Very well, sir. You win this round. I may have spoken too fast and I'm not too proud to admit it. I accept defeat; without more concrete examples to back me up, I will never make that point again because, well, I can't. ;-) I guess my blind faith in what was said to me, weakened my case before I had tried to make it. Thank you for pointing that out.

    Meanwhile, I wanted to share something that I feel is not inappropriate in this thread. Quoting Dr. Lawrence Krauss, whom I'm a big fan of:

    “The ethos of science - open questioning, no authorities, honesty, transparency, reliance on evidence, peer review and testability - can make the world a better place by burying myth, superstition, and dogma."
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    Nice one @dragonsky.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited January 2016 Posts: 18,271

    Well in my view it was worth it to get rid of that Mad Dog bastard Gaddafi. A lot of blood on his hands in Ulster and Lockerbie as well as in his own country of Libya of course. He got what was coming to him...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Fascinating, but not surprising at all. Just one more example of the war / oil machine in full gear. It takes a bit of work to separate the real mad dogs from each other these days.
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    It is not directly related to this thread (or actually maybe it is), the call by the National Secular Society for a ban on niqab (full face covering Islamic veil) in public schools: http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2016/02/the-niqab-in-schools--an-argument-for-prohibition
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    It is not directly related to this thread (or actually maybe it is), the call by the National Secular Society for a ban on niqab (full face covering Islamic veil) in public schools: http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2016/02/the-niqab-in-schools--an-argument-for-prohibition

    This is a bit rich given what happened in Cologne:

    'the initial reason for the veil or, even segregation, was because it was not safe to be a Muslim woman amongst enemies.'

    As the writer points out - if the whole reason is that without the niqab Muslim men would be incapable of stopping themselves from sexually assaulting women, isn't banning the veil asking the wrong question entirely?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It is a cover up.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    It is not directly related to this thread (or actually maybe it is), the call by the National Secular Society for a ban on niqab (full face covering Islamic veil) in public schools: http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2016/02/the-niqab-in-schools--an-argument-for-prohibition

    This is a bit rich given what happened in Cologne:

    'the initial reason for the veil or, even segregation, was because it was not safe to be a Muslim woman amongst enemies.'

    As the writer points out - if the whole reason is that without the niqab Muslim men would be incapable of stopping themselves from sexually assaulting women, isn't banning the veil asking the wrong question entirely?

    Yes.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Today, march 13th:

    - Atleast 22 dead in an attack in a touristic area in Ivory Coast.

    - Atleast 27 dead in an attack in Turkey.
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    You can bet that some Terrorist's have taken full advantage of the Migration crisis with regards to the attack in Turkey.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I believe we have several members from Belgium on mi6community:

    What happened at the airport in Brussels? I just turned on the tv, and saw the news of 2 explosions. Reports of several wounded.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    There are at least 10 people dead.

    This will change again the way we will travel in the future. Not good. Our freedom will get limited further.
  • edited March 2016 Posts: 4,615
    The horrible thing is that these events and how we react are forming a pattern.
    Media specials, security experts commenting when its too early to know much, DC giving a meaningless soundbite, shakey mobile phone clips, Cobra meeting again, etc etc The establishment seems to have no real long term solutions
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    edited March 2016 Posts: 8,255
    Right now there's talk of two explosions at Brussels airport and one at Maerbeek metro station. Of the last there's a claim of 15 dead. @DarthDimi is safe.

    11 dead at airport, 15 at metro station
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    It's chaos here in Brussels. Can't get out of the office and access to city is almost zero...
    Two bombs at airport, one in subway station.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    I believe we have several members from Belgium on mi6community:

    What happened at the airport in Brussels? I just turned on the tv, and saw the news of 2 explosions. Reports of several wounded.

    Yes - two suicide bomings @ Brussels Airport (in Zaventem, just north-east of Brussels) with 11 dead so far and one bomb caused 15 dead at a subway station nearby me.
    utter chaos on streets afterwards, needless to say...

    Christ I hate this kind of sh*t
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    At least 30 critically wounded... which inevitably means more deaths I'm afraid
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I'm very saddened to hear this news this morning. I hope all MI6 forum members who live in Brussels are safe.

    As I mentioned on the Charlie Hebdo thread more than a year ago, Schengen is at risk. I also wonder how this may impact the British referendum on EU membership and the US elections.

    A commentator on the news was suggesting the timing of this attack could have been on account of information that the Paris attacker Salah Abdelsalam revealed during his interrogation, and which was broadcast to the press. There could have been 'codes' in the revelation which the attackers picked up on. Either they knew they were going to be captured soon due to his revelations, or they decided to do it now as a distraction so they could get out of Brussels before a border shut down.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    @bondjames - that's the main theory, that Abdeslam's capture forced 'his' local cell into action sooner than they wished due to fear of him snitching...
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