Deadly attacks in Paris / Brussels / Nice (07/14/2016)

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2016 Posts: 15,716
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Wow, that's terrible, @DaltonCraig007! That means something...

    I think my post came out a bit wrong @DarthDimi - I meant I complained to these 24/7 news channels about how they step on the toes of the police by filming the raids 10 feet away from the action and how they give out information that should remain classified until the events are over.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @DaltonCraig007, I was referring to the fact that you got blocked! By journalists no less. What about free speech and such?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2016 Posts: 15,716
    @DarthDimi maybe my language aimed at them was quite heated and colourful, but I wasn't going to let them get away with jeopardizing ongoing police/SWAT action for better ratings.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited March 2016 Posts: 45,489
    Armageddon: Journalists are thinking of a headline to generate clicks.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Maybe we could change the title to Paris/Brussels attacks? Because there is another thread floating around where there is no response. Might be better to merge them or something.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Maybe we could change the title to Paris/Brussels attacks? Because there is another thread floating around where there is no response. Might be better to merge them or something.

    As if those are the only two or even the worst.

    Change it to www.islam.net or something if anything.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Changed the title.
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    Good title, I hope it will not have to be changed anytime soon.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It needs to change daily.
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    It is quite funny actually when you think about it. The only news the press doesn´t think the people must know, is criticism aimed at themselves! ;))
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    jobo wrote: »
    It is quite funny actually when you think about it. The only news the press doesn´t think the people must know, is criticism aimed at themselves! ;))

    Lke all of us, then.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @AceHole-Stay safe.

    I am sick and tired of this. What's going to be the excuse of the apologists this time?

    That only 99 percent of terrorists are muslims.

    Oops, I mean only 1 percent of the population are soldiers.

    We've heard it before. After the Charlie Hebdo massacre the corpses were not even cold yet that they were blaming the victims. "Yes killing is wrong, but..." But France was racist, unemployment was high among Muslim population, people had prejudice and of course, of course, the victims had drawn these offensive cartoons. Then of course in November 2015 France was too everything (too colonialist, racist, etc.) and now in Brussels I am just waiting for someone of the regressive left or an Islamist apologist to give a few objections and blame everything but the faith of the terrorists.
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  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Maybe we could change the title to Paris/Brussels attacks? Because there is another thread floating around where there is no response. Might be better to merge them or something.

    As if those are the only two or even the worst.

    Change it to www.islam.net or something if anything.

    Good point @Thunderfinger. If we keep just adding another city each time the title of this thread is going to get awfully long. Something like 'Yet another Muslim atrocity (but don't forget folks it's the religion of peace)' should cover it.

    I was supposed to be on the Eurostar to Brussels tomorrow at 8am but have cancelled, not so much out of fear but just the likelihood of a load of hassle at the stations.

    So instead I'm going to head to the Lowlander bar in Covent Garden with a Fleming paperback and spend the afternoon sinking numerous pints of deliciously strong beer and feasting on some sort of Allah insulting pork product if anyone fancies it?!?

    Vive la Begique!
  • RC7RC7
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    @AceHole-Stay safe.

    I am sick and tired of this. What's going to be the excuse of the apologists this time?

    That only 99 percent of terrorists are muslims.

    Oops, I mean only 1 percent of the population are soldiers.

    We've heard it before. After the Charlie Hebdo massacre the corpses were not even cold yet that they were blaming the victims. "Yes killing is wrong, but..." But France was racist, unemployment was high among Muslim population, people had prejudice and of course, of course, the victims had drawn these offensive cartoons. Then of course in November 2015 France was too everything (too colonialist, racist, etc.) and now in Brussels I am just waiting for someone of the regressive left or an Islamist apologist to give a few objections and blame everything but the faith of the terrorists.

    Quite. Some prick on the scene via BBC News tonight was 'theorising' on whether Belgium's inability to fully integrate Muslims into their society could've been a factor. I hardly need to explain the inherent fuckwittery in that statement.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Our inability to fully integrate Muslims? I can't think of any country where Muslims are more pampered than ours, including Muslim countries themselves!! That is ridiculous.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    I'll be going to London next month with my wife.. Very worried about our safety now after what has transpired in Brussels.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited March 2016 Posts: 9,117
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Our inability to fully integrate Muslims?

    Actually it's spot on. If only we'd just indulge them and let them have their deranged caliphate in our towns and cities then all this would stop. We bring it on ourselves with our pigheaded insistence on western liberal democracy instead of embracing religious lunacy, treating women like shit and stoning homosexuals.

    The sooner the friends of Hezbollah and Hamas Corbyn and Khan are in number 10 and City Hall the better. Then perhaps some of the general population might start integrating into the Muslim way of life.


  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    You shouldn't be.
    Please never forget these are isolated occurrences which, while tragic, happen so rarely that they hardly upset the statistics. You still have a much higher chance of being hit by a car tomorrow than of dying in a terrorist attack. However, I understand the fear because of the nature and scale of the disaster.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    It's not about Muslims, it's about revenge & power grabs.
    As the oil reserves in the Middle East begin to dwindle, as the reliance on oil recedes, as the renewable energy companies grow, the resentment from the formally super-filthy rich in the area expands exponentially. It's not personal, it's business.
    We must look to who funds these operations.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited March 2016 Posts: 1,731
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Our inability to fully integrate Muslims? I can't think of any country where Muslims are more pampered than ours, including Muslim countries themselves!! That is ridiculous.

    Dimi, I think he meant more in the vein of not building bridges and creating dialogue with the Muslim communities, especially Molenbeek where newcomers were fast-tracked a flat and state-income but never learnt the culture or language and were left to do whatever they wanted by the socialist local gov. who were only after their votes.

    Belgiums approach has been far too 'give 'em the money & benefits and they'll be fine', rather than actually making them part of the community as for instance the Dutch and British have done (to varying degrees of success, I must add).
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    Is it for Belgium authorities to "make them part of the community" or the other way around. This is the type of language that starts to put the responsibility into the hands of others. If a section of society wants to integrate into wider Western liberal, democracy, it will, there is zero stopping it. If it does not want to, no third party can make them.
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    Today I feel......numb. I mean, I am lucky that no people I know off have been (deadly) injured in yesterday's terrorist attacks. Still, my heart goes to all the victims....and to the core values of democracy, freedom, love, tolerance and empathy.

    I feel numb, because I feel sad to admit that whatever will be done to do something about terrorism.......it all will get worse. The box of Pandora has already opened :-S. I can start pointing my finger at everyone else. But I give you this message: If everyone in here start doing the 'good' before pointing fingers at others, then we have the perfect recipe to fight terrorism.
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    It's not about Muslims, it's about revenge & power grabs.
    As the oil reserves in the Middle East begin to dwindle, as the reliance on oil recedes, as the renewable energy companies grow, the resentment from the formally super-filthy rich in the area expands exponentially. It's not personal, it's business.
    We must look to who funds these operations.

    oh wow, just wow.

    Britain needs to leave the E.U, shut the door to any more muslims, and start asserting British values. Those murdering bastards are responsible for what happened but it is also true that Western leaders have refused to understand that Islam has not gone through an 'enlightenment'. Islam teaches bigotry and intolerance that sows the seeds for followers to turn into fanatics hell bent on murdering kaffir.
  • Today I feel......numb. I mean, I am lucky that no people I know off have been (deadly) injured in yesterday's terrorist attacks. Still, my heart goes to all the victims....and to the core values of democracy, freedom, love, tolerance and empathy.

    I feel numb, because I feel sad to admit that whatever will be done to do something about terrorism.......it all will get worse. The box of Pandora has already opened :-S. I can start pointing my finger at everyone else. But I give you this message: If everyone in here start doing the 'good' before pointing fingers at others, then we have the perfect recipe to fight terrorism.

    Would you like to be more specific?

    Vague waffle has always been the friend of the left.
  • edited March 2016 Posts: 4,615
    UK Immigration Officer "Good morning sir, are you a Muslim?"
    Person trying to enter the UK "No"
    UK Immigration Officer "Welcome"
    Is there a Muslim Testing Kit that I don't know about? Or a loop that you walk through and an alarm sounds if they are Muslim?
    "Sorry, Sir, the alarm has gone off, please step to one side. Are you sure you are not a Muslim?"
    "Well, I used to be but now I am a Catholic"
    "That could be it, there could be some residual Muslim that the machine has picked up. Say 20 Hale Mary's and walk through again please"
  • Posts: 11,119
    Today I feel......numb. I mean, I am lucky that no people I know off have been (deadly) injured in yesterday's terrorist attacks. Still, my heart goes to all the victims....and to the core values of democracy, freedom, love, tolerance and empathy.

    I feel numb, because I feel sad to admit that whatever will be done to do something about terrorism.......it all will get worse. The box of Pandora has already opened :-S. I can start pointing my finger at everyone else. But I give you this message: If everyone in here start doing the 'good' before pointing fingers at others, then we have the perfect recipe to fight terrorism.

    Would you like to be more specific?

    Vague waffle has always been the friend of the left.

    I would have specified it, but I'm afraid of you. Because you already inherently pinpoint me as a leftist. I want to unite...not to divide. So I don't like to discuss anymore if this will result in a lots of attacking and fingerpointing.

    Don't get me wrong @Scaramanga :-).
  • edited March 2016 Posts: 562
    What's wrong with debate @gustavgraves? We can all (I hope) agree that Islamic fundamentalism is a problem. So we need to debate possible solutions.

    @patb It's usually pretty obvious, and that's only part of the solution. Shut down Madrassas and Islamic faith schools, investigate and if need be shut down suspicious Mosques, NO sharia law courts, ban the burka. It's time we stopped appeasing the hand that kills us.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited March 2016 Posts: 1,731
    patb wrote: »
    Is it for Belgium authorities to "make them part of the community" or the other way around. This is the type of language that starts to put the responsibility into the hands of others. If a section of society wants to integrate into wider Western liberal, democracy, it will, there is zero stopping it. If it does not want to, no third party can make them.

    It's a given that integration is a two-way street, @patb.
    But whilst the U.K, Netherlands and many U.S counties have 'outreach' programs & policies that seek to connect new citizens with existing locals, schools, events, etc. - most Belgian councils do not, or certainly not during the 90's and early '00's when these current radicalized youths were growing up.
  • oh ffs integration is not a two way street. If a country is kind (or stupid) enough to let you in, the onus is upon you to 'fit in' and observe the mores of that country.
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