It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
^ Back to Top
The MI6 Community is unofficial and in no way associated or linked with EON Productions, MGM, Sony Pictures, Activision or Ian Fleming Publications. Any views expressed on this website are of the individual members and do not necessarily reflect those of the Community owners. Any video or images displayed in topics on MI6 Community are embedded by users from third party sites and as such MI6 Community and its owners take no responsibility for this material.
James Bond News • James Bond Articles • James Bond Magazine
Comments
Religion has EVERYTHING to do with this. Seriously, come on!
Especially given that ISIS have just released a statement saying that the attack was in revenge for France insulting the prophet.
As it did with the Charlie Hebdo attack. Like I said, it was an act of devotion.
Religious devotion? I know plenty of people from various religious backgrounds, some being victims of hate because of their beliefs but don't feel compelled to attack or launch some campaign against others who believe in something else. Religious devotion is simply an excuse to shove down the throats of people to gobble up. I can walk up to someone on the street, yell, to God be the glory or Lucifer rules and punch them in the face or whatever and say God or the devil told me to do it when the fact is neither had anything to do with my actions. The joke is, these people using and standing behind religion are themselves abusing their own beliefs and convincing the world that theyre the ones being victimised. So again religion in the broader sense has nothing to do with this, its just being used selfishly as a pawn in a very dangerous and extremely tedious game of amature chess.
No, it's not a question of that - simply that everything is connected. This ridiculous view that everything is black and white, "we" are angels and "they" are evil, and that there is no cause and effect is dangerous nonsense. One of the excuses for invading Iraq was because of 9/11, although there was no connection, but some people wanted blood and weren't too fussy whose - and we are meant to be the good guys.
To be fair (and I disagree with Troy on this particular issue of the Paris attack), he was saying there was no connection between Sadam Hussein and the 9/11 attacks.
That said, however the bad policies of the West nothing excuses or justifies the wanton murder of innocents. You can explain but it is wrong to blame the victims as some too often do when it comes to Islamist terrorism.
The French President says its an act of war but raising the status to formal war rids them of the label of terrorists and raises them to soldiers acting on behalf of a state - exactly what they want. They want to be part of a formal war, one state versus another. What next, allocate them the rights of soldiers under the Geneva Convention. This is not a war in terms of fighting armys but it is a war of knowledge and rationality versus ignorance and stupidity.
Cameron says he will redouble his efforts - either this is a platitude or he has only been trying 50% so far - its a platitude. Its the same as after Charlie Hebdoe, politicians literally lining up to support free speech etc but what did their efforts bring 11 months ago? Nothing because we dont' really know what to do.
And also Cameron offers his thoughts and prayers (he did the same 11 months ago and clearly his prayers were not answered), the horrible irony that terrorists who act in the name and will of their own God are rebutted by global leaders whose route to salvation is praying to their own Gods.
If anyone thinks that praying to their God to solve this will be more effective than bullets through heads, they are just as deluded as the terrorists.
There is a dreadful taboo concerning blaming religion (or even discussing the topic) and those of other religions are the first to attempt to give religion a "get out of jail free" card. Until we deal with the fact that religion provides THE direct route for people to behave in such dreadful ways and be totally unaccountable for their actions (they are just conduits doing Gods work after all), then the ultimate solution will be beyond our grasp.
Paris is a wonderful city. It celebrates thought, art and culture like no other. A dreadful day but I think there will be more to come.
Some people commit violence in the name religion, others their country, others politics, others to avenge friends and family. Many delude themselves they have support of their God. Few accept that they are committing evil acts.
If you are looking for the bad guys - go look versus the US and Russia and all those, who see to it, that war never ends. Such easy money selling arms. And destabalising countries will give them more power en plus.
Because they think what they do is sanctioned and actually ordered by their God. Not every crime is committed for religious reason but this one is. For the love of an hypothetical God. Which even if he existed (and I don't think any God does exist) would not be worthy worship.
Should I remind you the biggest terrorists attack were done by students from rich families, educated well enough to learn to hijack and fly a plane ?
At the moment, the poorest population of Europe are the Roms who run away from their countries. Where are the attacks by Roms ?
Extremely well said Sir.
And just as an aside where does Cameron get off talking about prayers? You weren't elected on a mandate to be a spiritual leader pal. If the guy we, in our wisdom, have elected to have his finger on the nuclear button must believe in this garbage could he please do it in private and not act beyond the boundaries of his remit?
Attacks, maybe not, but riots, certainly :
[url="http://lesalonbeige.blogs.com/my_weblog/2015/10/emeutes-scènes-de-guerilla-urbaine-et-soulèvements-de-roms-en-isère.html"]lesalonbeige.blogs.com/my_weblog/2015/10/emeutes-scènes-de-guerilla-urbaine-et-soulèvements-de-roms-en-isère.html[/url]
I get that but to me, that's not religion. That's criminal. A priest fondles some kids balls that criminal, a Muslim, Christian, whatever religious group who murders in the name faith is criminal. Just because they say it's an attack on their beliefs doesn't make it a religious thing it's bigger and more obscure than that. Summing it up as a religious thing is a matter of lazy comvenience. Cartoon or no cartoon, if that's enough to motivate murders then it's just too naive to lay it squarely at religion. Sure, an offence is an offence but murdering tonnes of people because "they made fun of our prophet" is ridiculous. Even people of the same faith don't subscribe to the same beliefs of retaliation so no its not about religion, it's about a selfish agenda by a bunch of criminals who want people to believe it's about religion.
Why were the CH murdered if not because they mocked religion? If they say they murder for their God then they murder for their god plain and simple. Unless they are lying but all the evidence points out to their sincerity. They don't merely want people to believe it's about their faith it IS about their faith. A particularly nasty and nihilistic faith.
However my point here is that people are tribal and will fight on behalf of their tribe, in whatever form it may take. At the moment the battle is depicted by some as the West v Muslem, and people chose their side. Personally I think it is more complex than that, with factions fighting over oil supplies, and the ongoing struggle for power between Sunni and Shia especially Western support for minority Sunni governments (e.g. Bahrain).
I'll second that very well said.
As for Cameron he should remember that God has not been elected PM: he has. If Cameron wanted to pray to solve the issue of Islamist terrorism he should have become a priest.
The difference between such protests and mass killings is at the core of the subject. One is not the continuity of the others.
But people do not blame the Muslims when the Crusades happened and Christians killed them...
My opinion is that people who fear to be called racists and then will blame anything but religion, or anything but one religion, are probably fighting inner demons about this subject.
We have to ask ourselves if we are ready to give up a big chunk of our freedom to protect us better from such attacks.
Open borders may not be the right thing anymore.
Entering a football station should maybe be subject to restrictions similarly to boarding an airplane.
Maybe even on the entrance to a shopping mall there should be controls.
I'm not saying I want this, but it is something we have to think about.
If I was pissed about something and I wanted revenge I'd be sincere and full of conviction to. I'm of a specific faith and it is mildly at best just about bothersome when my faith is attacked and rather trivially too but I don't feel compelled in the slightest to go around killing people just because they believe differently or are taking the piss. I think nothing of it actually because it has no bearing on my emotions and psyche. If it did I can easily hide behind the veil of religion when it's about me rather than my actual faith because like I said, its a lazy convenience to justify my actions. There is a much bigger and wider issue. I'm not a muslim but more than half of my blood relatives are and I can tell you that many of these terrorists don't even know a thing about the religion they claim they're fighting and killing for. Crimes, brainwashing, personal agenda serving, ego-boosting and whatever else unsavoury have yous are being wrapped up nicely in religion with a bow attached willingly received and accepted.
I wasn't referring to the latest attack on France especially, but more in general.
Germany is currently welcoming EVERYBODY with open arms.
I say this unbiased, just stating a fact.