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Your personal faith or the faith of those moderate believers is irrelevant here. What is the terrorist's motivation, in this instance, if not his faith? Which is different than yours and even those who share at leas the belief in the same god and the same holy book.
The free movement around the EU is going to be under serious threat very soon i think?
Yes, and it is inevitable. The economic implications of border restrictions are concerning though.
I see the Eastern parts of Europe throwing up razor wire fences, it's like they are turning Europe in a fortress.
BUT my point is: you cannot disregard the religious motivation. Crying "God is great" when you commit murder is not a red herring. What's the apologists' excuse this time? Heavy metal?
I know Russia has relatively strong ties with Assad, but Russia, Europe, and the Arab states should take a joint ground attack to IS in Iraq and Syria to stamp the threat out altogether? Take a WW3 approach to this crisis. Then perhaps the innocents of their terror can return home to rebuild their lives.
It's not that simple. This is really a headless, faceless threat. It's distributed & decentralized. If you take out the leadership, it will still operate elsewhere (witness all the Al Qaueda affiliates). As long as the cause is worth the effort (and it appears to be so with them) they will continue to do this sort of thing. Any success only makes them stronger willed and more ambitious. Moreover, a lot of the attackers are home grown (UK 7.7 and CH)
As I said during CH, Europe is most at risk because of schengen. UK & US are safer due to natural borders but still there are risks.
It's the hatred of the Western world and its liberal democracy values. This terrorist detritus cannot be reasoned with; they want nothing less than the complete destruction of Western civilisation. They will therefore never be satisfied and cannot rationally be reasoned with. Their reading of Islam is false as they have been radicalised by hate preachers and other extremists. Ordinary peace-loving Muslims are not the problem here.
But I'm not talking about ordinary Muslims.
The problem is how do you determine who is who? Ask everyone to take a lie detector test? There is no way to fight this threat without losing freedoms in the process. In which case, they win (that's what they want......for infighting to occur)
I was just trying to say that it was the false doctrine of the extremists that guides their actions, not a true reading of Islam or the Koran. I've related the reasons why they want to kill us in the West above.
My heart goes out to Paris, France the victims and their families because of an senseless act of violence.
Perhaps it is not all about religion, the terrorists are men who cling to their idea of how the world should be. Them in charge.
To whom do you refer?
Anything can be turned into a religious motivation. It's a convenient excuse to throw around while making your "enemy" look bad or deserving of whatever vengeance wants to be exacted or deemed justified all the while making yourself look victimised. These criminals are users, abusers and opportunists and sadly they've convinced many people it's solely a religious thing rather than that they're a select bunch of vile, horrible oppressive controlling scam-artist scumbags. They're manipulating people into believing it's a religious issue while purposefully dragging their religion through the mud to achieve their own selfish and mean-spirited agenda and convincing everyone that their religion as a whole is being attacked, victimised and is the issue. This is not solely about religion just because a bunch of dishonest and murdering bastards say it is. Propaganda at its finest.
It's all about religion. It's always about the Koran, etc.
Charlie Hebdo being the perfect example.
It's a crusade against the Christians.
Or rather it's about their twisted interpretation of Islam and the Koran. That's the difference. They think they are in the right; we in the West are "infidels" that must be subjugated under the Islamic Caliphate.
Really has upset me, not only in the tragedy of the loss of innocent life, but having just spent a week in Disneyland and Paris it's such a beautiful city with lovely, friendly people. My thoughts go out to all in Paris. It's time to fight back against these atrocities that are sadly getting all too familiar. Enough is enough.
Bush claimed invasion of Iraq was sanctioned by his religion:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bush-god-told-me-to-invade-iraq-6262644.html
And never forget: Good deeds define good people, NOT fingerpointing, so called 'good' words, or tags like 'religion' or 'skin color'. For that reason I'm already disappointed how certain politicians on the far ends of the political spectrum react. Show your respect first.
No excuse for killing innocent people.
This is horrible.. prayers lifted everywhere I hope for the families and friends.
But what's the right interpretation of the Koran? Or any sacred text for that matter? Muslims, Christians and what have you don't agree between themselves. Don't get me wrong, I far prefer moderate, pro secularism Muslim like say Irshad Manji to an Islamist, but I don't know about a right or wrong interpretation of their sacred text. And neither do you, neither does anyone. I do reject their claims to truth as they are unsubstantiated, and although it is relevant here, what is at the core of the problem here is the ideology. Whether it is built on a correct or incorrect reading of holy scriptures is non sequitur: at the core the specific belief of a fundamentalist is wrong.
Whatever but don't kill me for not believing what you do. That's what it boils down to.
(don't mean you.)
These terrorists are murders and monsters ..use whatever excuse they want.
A religious one (no matter what the religion). A non-religious one. It doesn't matter.
At the end of the day holding firm to an ideology without compromise (dogmatism) is a recipe for antagonism / lack of understanding and potential conflict.
Completely but respectfully disagree. I can believe as strongly as I desire ...crossing the line is when that is opposed on others or when that fundamental belief dictates I cause harm to others.
To add I'm pretty sure what they did was against Napoleonic law.
We always learn new things and we should be open to changing our views based on new information. To yield to new ideas.
Agreed. But the problem with religious fundamentalism is that this one has supernatural/metaphysical claims. So it is too often excused or even sometimes justified. Not only when religious fundies resort to violence, but when they call for censorship or for imposing religious values to secular societies.