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I didn't say I had a counter to that. It is perhaps because this is a western based forum (I don't know if we have any Arabic members?). I wonder how many (secular) Arabic based forums report on western terrorist attacks/incidents above those within their immediate geographic locations?
By diligent use of smoke & mirrors the focus of attention of this topic has been neatly steered away from the fact that terrorists have killed people. There can be no defence offered for any of these acts (nor defence for constant meddling in Middle Eastern affairs by the west).
For your information, these discussions inevitably veer towards religion and Islam in particular.
@Gustav_Graves made a good point that Turkey was also attacked. It is a Muslim nation. However, he didn't go far enough in my view, because Turkey is also a Nato nation. What about the non-Nato nations that were attacked? I believe it's important to keep in mind that ISIL is attacking these nations as well.
You mean like each time you describe terrorists as mere logical victims of their alleged low class status created by their religion : in brief, you say, beware of the muslims in Europe, right ?
First, if you were not blinded by your cliches and rather stick to the facts, you'd have stopped saying that for long.
Second, it means, yes, you're a leftist, paternalist, racist. There are a lot of very poor people of minoritary religions everywhere who don't become terrorists, your explanation is dead wrong. You need money, you see, to buy guns and so on (the Nice terrorist sold his car to buy what he needed - well, not every poor has a car...)
"US/Chinese audience are too dumb for SPECTRE" is racism from you that is "acceptable" because we know it comes from your desire to "explain" why your predictions were wrong. But please stop talking about serious matters with so simple-minded sociology.
Listen, some of us have been on this forum for some time and have had intensive debates on this subject over the years So just because I am a newcomer does that mean I cannot express my opinion? We are speaking on this thread not any other. As with all 'arms open wide' orators you seem mighty quick to turn if people don't share your POV. That & the associated intolerance says more about people who share your own belief systems than perhaps you would like.
If we all truly agree that this is indeed a disgusting tragedy ( On what evidence? Your assumptions? :\"> ) then there should be no reasoning nor defence offered for this or any other act of terror - regardless of the 'side' perpetrating it.
WTF?! So saying different cultures have different tastes is racist now? And how exactly do you be racist towards America in general? You need to get your points clear before you start attacking others.
Indeed it is & I thought I had said I agreed with his point earlier? (I may be wrong as I haven't checked back on my posts).
Terrorism - whatever hue - is terrorism & victims are victims.
What I was pointing out, by noting that we don't have threads open up here when Muslim countries are attacked, is that we too suffer from such same cultural sympathies. We express more grief here for cases where Western and Christian countries are attacked than when it happens elsewhere.
Of course that is perfectly reasonable and as expected perhaps. That doesn't make it right. Neither does the Muslim sympathizer feeling a sense of grievance when his brother is attacked miles away. Neither does the inner city African American individual who doesn't want to give up his neighbour even though he knows he may have committed a crime and yet feels more sympathy for him rather than the cops. None of this is right, although it should be understandable. That is my point. Not to assign blame, which I think you misunderstood.
I myself am not a racist. My own girlfriend has interracial blood flowing through her veins and I love her with all my heart. I'm a proud "culturist" though. I am convinced that certain cultures are preposterously archaic, backwards and dangerous.
Cultures that allow politics, education, lifestyle, morality and ethics to be controlled by religion, are backwards. Cultures that worship at the altar of a non-existing Creator who demands that all "infidels", homosexuals and women who fight for equal rights be slain, are dangerous. In fact, one might say I'm dreaming of an a-cultural world, in so far as that could be possible of course, because all this ridiculous, stubborn cultural pride isn't doing anyone a favour. From political quarrels to football hooliganism... it's all so childish. I'm not trying to impose my "culture" on others, I'm trying to do away with "cultural identity" and "cultural pride" as a cause for 95 % of the world's problems. In fact, I'm trying hard to release myself from the grip of my own culture, though I'm still in the process of wondering if that is possible at all. I guess being a Bond fan and Star Wars fan and Batman fan makes me a part of a culture too. So is an a-cultural life plausible? I'm not sure.
How we identify ourselves, and especially how strongly we identify ourselves (in contrast to others rather than in unity) is a major reason for a lot of the problems in the world, whether it be politics, nationalism, populism, culture etc.
I've always said, I'd like to identify as a citizen of "The World", or even better, of "The Living". I'd prefer if people look to what is similar among them rather than what is different. The less barriers, the better. The less strongly we identify, the better too. Naive perhaps.
Yes, and this is the opposite to the left, which believe in cultural relativism. Basically all cultures are equal and if you disagree you're a xenophobe.
@Mendes4Life, you make a very strong point. We have gotten so scared of being branded a xenophobe, that we tolerate even that which simply cannot be tolerated. Why should we tolerate cultures that allow genital mutilation as a common practice? Why should we tolerate deadly gang violence in the name of cultural pride? Why should we tolerate the killing of one's own children because their parents are told by some preacher that medical science is blasphemy?
The issue with other religions is that people actually believe all of it. In a way, they deserve more respect as there is no picking and choosing. We use the word "fundamentalist" in a very strange way. It is actually people who 100% believe in a religion and carry that out in this World. Our expectation is that those of faith will pick out the good bits and ignore the bad but, if you believe it's the real word of God, then why should you?
I was watching the movie "Thor" last night and this is what eventually happens when the whole thing is realised as being hogwash. At one time, Thor was as real as our "Christian God" or Islam. Over a period of time, this almighty, all powerful God has been transformed into a comic book character and a figure of fun. Do we see demonstrations outside cinemas by Thor believers? Do we see the producers of Thor gunned down by Thor believers? No...because we know the truth about Thor.
Does that mean, in time , we will see our current team of Gods relegated to comic book heros? There is no reason why not. But at preset, drawing and publishing a basic cartoon of Allah is to risk one's life.
I wonder if a lot of these 'believers' really do believe in such a ridiculous concept, or is it just to give them some purpose in life, an excuse to be 'part' of something or simply a means to commit atrocities without guilt because their God demands it?
Or mabey they just haven't evolved enough to question the existence of an invisible being...?
More of the same. You know the script by now. At least no one died this time.
This. And am I the only one sick and tired of the platitudes and excuses given every time a terrorist attack happens?
No you're not. The statement by the senior French official "France will have to get used to terrorist attacks" will come back to bite the administration big time.
That actually reminds me rather of the British Army saying that they could never defeat the IRA in Northern Ireland as soon as they came to the Province. That sort of talk never won the War, as they say.
Dont think the advice of a Wahhabist appeaser holds much water.
I don't think so either yet although his influence is minor he still has some.
I do hope you are not insinuating any links to Islam there? It's the religion of peace after all.
In other news authorities in Brazil have arrested 10 people plotting terrorist attacks at the Olympics. I'm sure they will have no link to Islam either.