Deadly attacks in Paris / Brussels / Nice (07/14/2016)

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Same old b*llocks. You blame the victims and so I guess support the loner.
    What are your views on lorry drivers in Nice. You probably think he had his
    Reasons too.
    You're a disgrace, even for a troll.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    The Division in Islam has to do with the general ignorance from both Arabic and others and the western world alike. To fight the romans that ruled the world back then, an association with unity was needed; they copied that from several thousand years of Chinese Rule, that is why Religion as such is chinese to You..!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Keep on blaming the victims, that's what you do ! You are a disgrace, shame on you.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    Same old b*llocks. You blame the victims and so I guess support the loner.
    What are your views on lorry drivers in Nice. You probably think he had his
    Reasons too.
    You're a disgrace, even for a troll.

    I know Nizza very well !-I have walked that Promenade quite often..And You are quite wrong; I do not blame the Victims; But how about the innocent victims created every day in say SYRIA-are they less worth?..
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    You still haven't retracted blaming the victims of the Munich shooting. You are a disgrace !
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    You blame the victims !
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    You still haven't retracted blaming the victims of the Munich shooting. You are a disgrace !
    You still haven't retracted blaming the victims of the Munich shooting. You are a disgrace !

    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    Why should I retract something I have not said?..
  • RC7RC7
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    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    You lefty twat.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    RC7 wrote: »
    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    You lefty twat.

    What Is Public Knowledge is what I am referring to; Your Ignorant Pretention is part of the problem that You create Yourself; I said that Religion is Chinese to You..the chinese Emperor WAS the religion-it is always about power..!

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    "They created Their Own Terror..!?..And Got A Return On That."
    Written by MyNameIsMyBondRn. A true Humanitarian .... you
    side with the sad lonely gunman and blame the victims.

  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    "They created Their Own Terror..!?..And Got A Return On That."
    Written by MyNameIsMyBondRn. A true Humanitarian .... you
    side with the sad lonely gunman and blame the victims.
    -Your Fears are creating Your Own Terror!-But You do not want to admit that; the social play is in the way for Your Relative Understanding.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
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    -Because Your Social Play Reads; "You Leftist Twat"-and so on and so forth.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Yes, blame the victims. There's no point in even engaging, as you are an apologist
    for killers.
  • Posts: 233
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Campbell2 wrote: »

    Why don't you enlighten us as to how exactly Angela Merkel's 'hubris' added to this act? You would certainly know, just a page ago you were fairly sure about it (and I definitely detected some flapping noises when you wrote that.) Would you be terribly affronted if I called that BS?

    Ok congratulations this particular attack has very little to do with Angela as he's just turned out to be a common or garden mental case rather than a terrorist. I made the swift assumption (like 99.99% of people, even you my learned friend) that the script was the usual Islamic nutter gone off on one for Allah. I lost my money this time but at the terrorist casino if you keep betting on Islam you win a a lot more times than you lose. You want to go double or quits that the next terrorist atrocity is from Islamists? You put a fiver up I'll put up a fifty, winner takes all. Easy money.

    As for Angela's hubris. This time she got away with it but anyone who thinks ISIS haven't taken advantage of the 'come one, come all' borders policy she instigated to send dozens of 'agents' in amongst the genuine refugees is naive in the extreme/a Jeremy Corbyn supporter (same thing really). Again only a matter of time before that bet comes up as well.

    With the internet being such a hot bed of indoctrination, surely it's a little short sited to assume that closing the borders and alienating an entire race of people will solve anything?

    Muslims aren't a race.
    You raise an interesting point. You cannot change your race. You can change your beliefs. It's a choice.

    The genius of Islam. It is a race, a culture, a religion... It is infinitely malleable when it needs to be. The sooner people start treating it as a fucking joke (along with all other ideologies) the better. Saying, 'I have a mate who's a Muslim and it's really hard for him' is besides the point. We live in the 21st century. If you believe in fairy stories you have to accept that people will treat you with justifiable contempt.

    He doesn't. I don't think he's ever been into a mosque in his life, and he eats more bacon than I do. But that obviously doesn't matter to people like you, or the bloke in the pub last week who told him to go home (he was born in Reading).

    Because that's what all this anger and division and hatred leads to. Ordinary folks being abused in their local because of the colour of their skin. Entire races and nations of people are dehumanised into an "other" that we can keep out of sight and out of mind. But we're never going to defeat Islamist ideologies if we make regular Muslims feel like strangers in their own homes.

    I completely despise all religion, particularly the Islamic fundamentalism that's tearing through the Middle East. But when you start treating people's beliefs like a "fucking joke" you're just driving the anger and division that caused this mess in the first place.
  • RC7RC7
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    RC7 wrote: »
    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    You lefty twat.

    What Is Public Knowledge is what I am referring to; Your Ignorant Pretention is part of the problem that You create Yourself; I said that Religion is Chinese to You..the chinese Emperor WAS the religion-it is always about power..!

    Why do you write like an illiterate bot?

    This isn't black and white, but the fact you can proffer a veiled justification for this act suggests you're a grade A bellend.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    You lefty twat.

    What Is Public Knowledge is what I am referring to; Your Ignorant Pretention is part of the problem that You create Yourself; I said that Religion is Chinese to You..the chinese Emperor WAS the religion-it is always about power..!

    Why do you write like an illiterate bot?

    This isn't black and white, but the fact you can proffer a veiled justification for this act suggests you're a grade A bellend.

    Your unjustified rejection gives someone a justified reason. That is a fact.
    Your PROPAGANDA is not justified.
    You are an Unjust person..!
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    You lefty twat.

    What Is Public Knowledge is what I am referring to; Your Ignorant Pretention is part of the problem that You create Yourself; I said that Religion is Chinese to You..the chinese Emperor WAS the religion-it is always about power..!

    Why do you write like an illiterate bot?

    This isn't black and white, but the fact you can proffer a veiled justification for this act suggests you're a grade A bellend.

    Your unjustified rejection gives someone a justified reason. That is a fact.
    Your PROPAGANDA is not justified.
    You are an Unjust person..!

    My first is in anus, but not in mouth. When the world crumbles I shall ascend.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    Syria is not so far from Tunisia, and if he felt something about that his brothers and sisters was heart from the western world..that might have been his justification-and Your relative ignorance helped him in his quest..!

    You lefty twat.

    What Is Public Knowledge is what I am referring to; Your Ignorant Pretention is part of the problem that You create Yourself; I said that Religion is Chinese to You..the chinese Emperor WAS the religion-it is always about power..!

    Why do you write like an illiterate bot?

    This isn't black and white, but the fact you can proffer a veiled justification for this act suggests you're a grade A bellend.

    Your unjustified rejection gives someone a justified reason. That is a fact.
    Your PROPAGANDA is not justified.
    You are an Unjust person..!

    My first is in anus, but not in mouth. When the world crumbles I shall ascend.

    The World Is Not Enough-and where Is NASA right now?!..
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    But if we all think you're a Bellend, then that must be true. :)) so why should we
    pay any attention to a Bellend ? You support lone killers, probably get off on it. :D
    Probably spend too much time in your Mum's basement, trolling, to actually develop
    any human emotions like empathy. Hence why you can connect so easily to sad,
    inadequate loners, angry at society.
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    But if we all think you're a Bellend, then that must be true. :)) so why should we
    pay any attention to a Bellend ? You support lone killers, probably get off on it. :D
    Probably spend too much time in your Mum's basement, trolling, to actually develop
    any human emotions like empathy. Hence why you can connect so easily to sad,
    inadequate loners, angry at society.

    My Mum has alzheimers; But she would give You a Whack for Your comment..!
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    But if we all think you're a Bellend, then that must be true. :)) so why should we
    pay any attention to a Bellend ? You support lone killers, probably get off on it. :D
    Probably spend too much time in your Mum's basement, trolling, to actually develop
    any human emotions like empathy. Hence why you can connect so easily to sad,
    inadequate loners, angry at society.

    My Mum has alzheimers; But she would give You a Whack for Your comment..!

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/spy-agencies-struggle-to-spot-threats-from-lone-mentally-ill-attackers/ar-BBuIXWt?li=BBnb7Kz
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    But if we all think you're a Bellend, then that must be true. :)) so why should we
    pay any attention to a Bellend ? You support lone killers, probably get off on it. :D
    Probably spend too much time in your Mum's basement, trolling, to actually develop
    any human emotions like empathy. Hence why you can connect so easily to sad,
    inadequate loners, angry at society.

    My Mum has alzheimers; But she would give You a Whack for Your comment..!

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/spy-agencies-struggle-to-spot-threats-from-lone-mentally-ill-attackers/ar-BBuIXWt?li=BBnb7Kz

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/23/munich-shooting-loner-facebook-ali-sonboly-bullied-killer
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    Posts: 3,144
    Time to close this down I think "
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Mrcoggins wrote: »
    Time to close this down I think "
    Agreed.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,716
    I agree too, no point in continuing this thread if so much nonsense is posted in this serious discussion.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117

    I definitely agree that we are too timid when confronting the teachings of Islam. I think that simply responding to every attack with platitudes that "terrorism has no religion" obviously ignores the fact that terrorism usually does have an explicitly religious motivation, and as long as we ignore that then we're never going to be able to challenge the ideology head on. It's very easy for someone to say "you ain't no Muslim bruv", but the reality is that, as far as the Islamists themselves are concerned, they are as Muslim as they come.

    However, I do understand the reluctance, particularly among those of us on the left, to direct fire at Islam as an abstract concept, because it's inevitably siezed upon as justification by every racist in the land, and it's people like my mate who suffer for it. I don't wish the justify the practices of Sharia states or the text in the Koran, but it is true that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in the West just want to get on with their lives in peace.

    The truth is I don't know what we should do. It's clear that we have to do something to challenge the ideology that is poisoning the minds of young men across Europe. But I really believe that division and hatred just plays into the hands of the people who wish to cause us harm. If we turn away Muslim people who need our help simply because of their religion or where they come from, then they're going to look elsewhere for a sense of purpose.

    @JawsIsAlive I appreciate your nuanced (copyright GustavGraves 2016) and thoughtful post and you're right there are no easy answers like merely closing the borders.

    This country is extremely tolerant -to a fault almost - but people's good will is seemingly starting to run out. Islam is not part of our culture however many halal butchers we are happy to let them open. This is now a secular country where you have the freedom to do as you care as long as it doesn't impinge on other people. If you go into paroxysms of rage by a cartoon or at the sight of a homosexual couple it's you that needs to change and be more tolerant not everyone else.

    He doesn't. I don't think he's ever been into a mosque in his life, and he eats more bacon than I do.

    He eats bacon yet he is a Muslim? Isn't he going to burn in hell for that? Given his attitude to pork and going to the mosque why does he still identify himself as a Muslim then? Does he feel the need to do it for his parents? Obviously I can't guess at the guy's motives but you can't say 'oh I'm enlightened because I don't believe in all that guff about not eating bacon and stoning women but I still believe in the rest.' There aren't grades of belief. It's binary either you believe or you don't. Once you've crossed that line and made the leap of faith to reject logic, reason and science you are, to quote @RC7's succinct phrase, a 'fucking joke'. We need stop being so scared to say that. It will take generations of course and won't happen in our lifetime as Islam lags far behind moribund Christianity in dying out in this country but it would be nice to think in another 100 years or so that the UK might be religion free. If people want to live like the Middle Ages then you are still welcome in this country as long as you do it in the privacy of your own home.
    RC7 wrote: »
    We live in the 21st century. If you believe in fairy stories you have to accept that people will treat you with justifiable contempt.

    Indeed. There is no place for this rubbish in western society (and I'm including your Christianity addiction in that America). If people still believed there was a God of the crops and burnt their children in a wicker man would we just shrug and say 'what can you do? Gotta respect their beliefs'? Or would we bang them up as being totally mental?
    timmer wrote: »
    @wizofice
    You mentioned typing at a bus stop a few stops back!
    Forgive, I did not know, that many of your ravings were created in such conditions Bravo!
    Friend Ludovico posts from his lair in the dusty musts of Castle Dracula, others maybe steal time from work, but you I thought, were like most of us, feverishly pounding away on home desktop or laptop.
    Me I pretty much wait till I get home to my trusty desktop. I don't even like typing on a lap top and I've given up trying to type on the cellphone when out and about, other than text messaging. Considering the vital nature of message board posting, the smart phone challenges and mobile limitations do not seem appropriate for the gravitas of the task at hand.
    I can't imagine @graves or @BondJames hammer out their lengthy missives from anything other than sturdy stable locations...but you ripping out your patented rants and ravings from a bus-stop. That is awesome!
    But I am not home much at the moment, going thru a demanding work phase, so I don't post much, but I wonder what is this bus-stop method you use that overcomes not being home.
    Lap top? Tablet. Just wondering. Any particular brand or preferred keyboard?

    Don't know about the rest of you, banging away at a desk like Stephen J Cannell at the end of the A Team, but afraid I don't do this on my own time. I only come here as a distraction at work or when I'm on public transport. I rarely actually take the trouble to log on at home on my laptop. 99% of my vitriol is down to an iPhone and exceptional digital dexterity (which Mrs Wizard certainly appreciates).
    timmer wrote: »
    Also what are you guys going on about re Erica Ambler. There is no way that you and the famous former member Erica Ambler, one of the giants of the old Mi6 days, who now posts else, are the same person.
    I am confused. Ambler is a Bond Board God of yore. One of the smartest, sharpest guys you will ever "meet." You are no slouch yourself but you and Ambler are not the same person?

    Beats me mate. For some reason this @Campbell2 clown seems to have a throbbing, diamond hard stalk on for Erica and has convinced himself it's me.

    I vaguely remember Erica as being prolific back in the Keeping The British End Up days when I was a mere lurker but when did we move onto here? Around the time of QOS? I can't remember it may have even been pre CR.

    Anyway like you I find it rather baffling and frankly not even worth discussing.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    MyNameIsMyBondRn wrote :
    " My Mum has alzheimers; But she would give You a Whack for Your comment..!"

    So violence is your family's go to position , um ?
    I can now see why you sympathise with lonely, inadequate killers ! :))
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited July 2016 Posts: 24,179
    Folks, this thing about @TheWizardOfIce being Erica Ambler has to stop. It's a pointless accusation that cannot in any shape or form contribute to our discussions. We value @TheWizardOfIce's opinions, posts and humour as we do the opinions, posts and humour of most other members, the exceptions being trolls, spammers and ill-tempered whiners whom, of course, can barely be called members in the first place. Even IF the Wiz were Erica, it's been so many years since Ambler and this forum went a different way and the Wiz, despite having strong opinions, has been as much a part of this forum as I have. Besides, I'm clearly the new Odin and yet I don't see any of you worship at my altar or bring me sacrifices. So let's drop the bickering, shall we. If the Wiz steps over the line, we'll douse his account in gasoline and set it on fire as all self-proclaimed peaceful people in this world tend to do with those who don't play by their rules. If the Wis DOES turn out to be Ambler, I'll donate my allowance to charity and not buy Fabergé eggs this time. But until then, we should resume our old ways and discontinue this name-calling for which empirical evidence is missing anyway. I may be wrong, but that's besides the point. I liked this forum better before we started having these PUBLIC disagreements about who's behind the avatar, and that's all that matters! And if the Wiz says he's not Ambler, then I for one believe him.
  • Posts: 15,117
    Been away from here for a while. What the heck is going on?.
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Campbell2 wrote: »

    Why don't you enlighten us as to how exactly Angela Merkel's 'hubris' added to this act? You would certainly know, just a page ago you were fairly sure about it (and I definitely detected some flapping noises when you wrote that.) Would you be terribly affronted if I called that BS?

    Ok congratulations this particular attack has very little to do with Angela as he's just turned out to be a common or garden mental case rather than a terrorist. I made the swift assumption (like 99.99% of people, even you my learned friend) that the script was the usual Islamic nutter gone off on one for Allah. I lost my money this time but at the terrorist casino if you keep betting on Islam you win a a lot more times than you lose. You want to go double or quits that the next terrorist atrocity is from Islamists? You put a fiver up I'll put up a fifty, winner takes all. Easy money.

    As for Angela's hubris. This time she got away with it but anyone who thinks ISIS haven't taken advantage of the 'come one, come all' borders policy she instigated to send dozens of 'agents' in amongst the genuine refugees is naive in the extreme/a Jeremy Corbyn supporter (same thing really). Again only a matter of time before that bet comes up as well.

    With the internet being such a hot bed of indoctrination, surely it's a little short sited to assume that closing the borders and alienating an entire race of people will solve anything?

    Muslims aren't a race.
    You raise an interesting point. You cannot change your race. You can change your beliefs. It's a choice.

    The genius of Islam. It is a race, a culture, a religion... It is infinitely malleable when it needs to be. The sooner people start treating it as a fucking joke (along with all other ideologies) the better. Saying, 'I have a mate who's a Muslim and it's really hard for him' is besides the point. We live in the 21st century. If you believe in fairy stories you have to accept that people will treat you with justifiable contempt.

    He doesn't. I don't think he's ever been into a mosque in his life, and he eats more bacon than I do. But that obviously doesn't matter to people like you, or the bloke in the pub last week who told him to go home (he was born in Reading).

    Because that's what all this anger and division and hatred leads to. Ordinary folks being abused in their local because of the colour of their skin. Entire races and nations of people are dehumanised into an "other" that we can keep out of sight and out of mind. But we're never going to defeat Islamist ideologies if we make regular Muslims feel like strangers in their own homes.

    I completely despise all religion, particularly the Islamic fundamentalism that's tearing through the Middle East. But when you start treating people's beliefs like a "fucking joke" you're just driving the anger and division that caused this mess in the first place.

    But some beliefs are jokes and, when it comes to fundamentalism in any faith but more particularly Islam these days, they are sinister jokes. Maybe it's time to oppose their backward ideas and call a spade a spade. Why anyway would religious beliefs be protected from criticism and scrutiny? Or even mockery?
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