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You have to put 'boots on the ground'. That's what IS want. Then the nightmare really begins (witness Afghanistan). There are no easy solutions to this.
Very well said @DarthDimi, @patb, @SpectreNumberTwo and @Suviez_ce_parachute.
Is it just me or am I noting a shift in tone this time compared to the Charlie Hebdo thread where more of us are feeling emboldened/outraged enough to just come out and say 'F**k religion' without caring anymore if we might offend the religious?
@SpectreNumberTwo, if I may be allowed to just tweak your clarion call above and change it to a more all encompassing: 'Vive la Revolution. Death to Religion'!
Religion you've had your time and now you should be running scared because more and more decent, intelligent, forward thinking people have had enough of putting up with your rubbish.
France knows how to deal with religious threats and bullying. They have a strong tradition of secularism.
As I've said the gloves come off, they killed innocents, then the western governments must not flinch in doing the same, we need ground denial tactics, make it a knightmare to be anywhere near ISIS, bomb the shit out of them, then when they think it can't get any worse bomb them again.
Also in Europe/USA, terminate with extreme prejudice all who show support for islamic fundamentalism, no exceptions.
As you may have noticed, this has got me really incensed, after three tours between IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN, I left, because I knew our PC ineffectual political paymasters would never let us win & I'm not alone as having talked long & hard over several beers with our fellow US operators. X(
Can't really say, official secrets act, but have a guess.
Not at all, then we would be as bad as Hitler, no, just more targeted removal of sympathizers before they become killers.
Second: this attack was, like all others, a bid for power & profit. What do 'they' hope to gain from his? Precisely what they WILL get from this, a retaliatory response of some kind, more regional destabilization, more arms sales & giveaways by the so-called superpowers, more fascism in the form of restriction of freedom (read CONTROL/FEAR ), name recognition, more witless volunteers, in short, IS will be a recognized player and their backers will see increased revenue. Religion & history are tools to an end, not causes of conflict.
Third: What do we really want? Peaceful coexistence? To overthrow IS? REALLY? Then use the money spent on war to give the peoples of the world food, hope, and a common future. This would utterly DESTROY groups like IS. React in a way they DON'T want us to.
But that's not the goal of the puppetmasters. Power & profit is.
You may be right, but I'll throw you a curve ball, what could happen is a deal with Assad brokered by Moscow with the West to keep him in power if he acts to destroy ISIS in the region, ala Churchill & Stalin, better the devil you know etc.etc.......
With regard to giving hope, that's not what ISIS is about, you could give them the keys to everything & they'd still kill you without hesitation because they can't & will not accept co-exsistance without total obedience.
Good lad. I was going to do that but just cant get out of work.
What better way of showing our solidarity across la Manche than letting the frogs give Roy's shambolic rabble a hiding?
Given that they struggle to sell out Wembley for England friendlies these days and this is likely to boost the gate to capacity, it would be a nice gesture if the FA gave all profits from the match to the families. But I'm not holding my breath.
Well I respect that. And I agree that we should be open to changing our views depending on new information... but also believe that sometimes that's not always a personal option.
My opinions have changed on occasion but I've gone back to my original opinion sometimes too.
Because believe me ISIS are winning....
Destroy them.
Do what they DON'T want.
It's really the only way to end them, & those like them.
Deepest respect friend you are a reasonable human, I believe you've never had to fight these people & I hope you never will, they don't care about your vision, your thoughts, your point of view, they would kill you & your family without hesitation, they are a cancer on society, they are the greatest threat to our way of life, so never ever attempt to appease them in any way, they see that as weakness & would kill you like a dog.
This is War, war on our life style, plain & simple.
:-??
How would you render them impotent/powerless?......
Theoretically that works, but practically it rarely does. The strongman inevitably outstays his welcome or becomes increasingly brutal, and then is ejected by a Western power in favour of someone else. Or even worse, by an Islamist view (Iran in 1979 & Egypt in 2011) which the people dejectedly see as their best hope.
So unless there is an orderly transition of power from strongman to true democracy with 'economic opportunity / trade' for the masses, the whole thing goes caput. It's especially important now, because a lot of these countries have young populations who are very restless...
I think this may have actually played into the US desire to have a rapprochement with Iran......because they are a massive regional player and can have quite a bit of influence in an orderly transition/control in the region, if allowed to.
I also think Russia/US have to work together on this as well. Two superpowers are much better than one, when trying to contain the Middle East powder keg.
End arms sales in the region (Yeah I know, the military industrial complex would be pissed).
End dependence upon fossil fuels (yeah I know, piss off the Saudis & make alternative energy dudes the new rich class).
Invest in education & sustainable farming for the peoples of the world (yes, make Monsanto mad as Hell).
Regulate pharmaceutical companies so that they cannot charge more than twice what it costs to produce medicines (yeah, f**k those carpetbagging Neo-corporate scum).
In short- make this a better PLANET so that petty tyrannical pricks like ISIS have no way to even exist, let alone gain strength. But that takes a total turnaround from what we've been ordered to believe by our owners.
Colour me a rogue Bond, I guess...
They give themselves names and we pick up on that but ISIS can disappear into the fog and a new group rise up again in a new location. It is the philosophy, the attitude, the state of mind that needs to be defeated and that is much harder than swamping a fixed area with soldiers.