Bond movies - ranked into four tiers

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    andmcit wrote: »
    I believe I've watched GF just too many times now. Maybe I'm currently in a place where I've had too much of a good thing? I may feel differently in a while where I catch myself wanting to see the sharp suits, tricked out DB5 and brassy Bassey. It's not last on the 4th tier as in last of the whole listing - it's probably somewhere in the grey area behind OP and LALD
    Ok, thanks. I admire someone who's willing to rank it where you have. Not many would. As I said, it's not one of my favourites (I prefer nearly all of the other Connery films purely from a fun viewpoint), but I can appreciate how iconic it is.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 6,844
    I like @echo's tier titles as well. @pachazo's, too! Couldn't bring myself to evenly divide them 6 per tier though, so I went 8, 5, 6, 5. It's just a much more accurate reflection of my rankings.

    For me, "Platinum" is the best of the best of the best, sir! With honors! Bond simply does not get any better than this.

    "Gold" is still a fantastic Bond film. Well above average for Bond, which is by nature way, way above average for general action-adventure cinema. A few weak points maybe, but great, solid Bond fun.

    "Silver" is average. Average for Bond, that is. Some strong points, some weak points. Wish I could get myself to enjoy these ones more, but alas they are for me average 007. Which of course still makes for great entertainment.

    "Bronze" is the bottom of the 007 barrel. Whoo boy. Still love 'em. But whoo boy. Got some issues here.


    Platinum:
    Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, A View to a Kill, Licence to Kill, GoldenEye, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World Is Not Enough

    Gold:
    Dr. No, Octopussy, The Living Daylights, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace

    Silver:
    From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, Live and Let Die, For Your Eyes Only, Skyfall, SPECTRE

    Bronze:
    Diamonds Are Forever, The Man with the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, Die Another Day
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 582
    Platinum:
    Casino Royale, From Russia with Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Dr. No, Spectre, Skyfall

    Gold:
    Goldfinger, The Living Daylights, Thunderball, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, GoldenEye. The Spy Who Loved Me, Octopussy

    Silver:
    You Only Live Twice, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is Not Enough, Quantum of Solace

    Bronze:
    Diamonds Are Forever, Moonraker, Die Another Day
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Platinum:
    DN
    FRWL
    OHMSS
    TLD
    LTK
    GE
    CR
    SP

    Gold:
    TB
    MR
    FYEO
    OP
    QOS
    SF

    Silver:
    GF
    LALD
    TSWLM
    TND

    Bronze:
    YOLT
    CR67
    DAF
    TMWTGG
    NSNA
    AVTAK
    TWINE
    DAD

    And if there were a Pizza department, meaning simple but delicious in its own way, it'd include

    DAF
    MR
    CR67
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    andmcit wrote: »
    I believe I've watched GF just too many times now. Maybe I'm currently in a place where I've had too much of a good thing? I may feel differently in a while where I catch myself wanting to see the sharp suits, tricked out DB5 and brassy Bassey. It's not last on the 4th tier as in last of the whole listing - it's probably somewhere in the grey area behind OP and LALD
    Ok, thanks. I admire someone who's willing to rank it where you have. Not many would. As I said, it's not one of my favourites (I prefer nearly all of the other Connery films purely from a fun viewpoint), but I can appreciate how iconic it is.

    It is a crime not to include all the first 4 Connerys in the top tier. All brilliant and iconic. All fairly faithful to Fleming.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 1,068
    You ever "play a song to death" where it's so great you can't stop revisiting it over and over and it's the best thing ever just for the oversaturation to then turn the love to ambivalence and even hate? This actually sounds like some people's marriages too!

    Everyone too must have a beer or spirit they loved and overdid things with in the past and can't even stomach the smell now!?

    Well I'm there with a lot of SC's films I've viewed over the past 30+ years 100's probably 1000's of times. Heresy I hear many say? I can't just say I MUST like them still just because they're viewed by many as iconic. Yes I respect them and will defend every one against criticism but I measured my 'vote' earlier by a key criteria - which I enjoy sitting down and watching right through the most - the watch ability which after all to me is what a film is about. Not which I must be seen to support or ridicule / play down / criticise. I've seen this a lot lately with the love / hate of SP and I find I'm NOT very comfortable being so downbeat, destructive and negative.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    No I never have that. I've watched the SC films over and over since childhood. The first 4 are what made Bond a phenomenon and benchmark the standards that the producers want to hit today (but rarely do....The only film that reached these quality standards post millennium is CR). Connery is also so perfect in the role that he is the 'Bond mould' against which all other actors in the role are judged.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    I'll reiterate this point, because I'm still at loss- DN, FRWL and GF are the classic Connery Bonds. But Thunderball? Really? This film has way too many flaws to come anywhere near the status that FRWL receives.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    andmcit wrote: »
    You ever "play a song to death" where it's so great you can't stop revisiting it over and over and it's the best thing ever just for the oversaturation to then turn the love to ambivalence and even hate? This actually sounds like some people's marriages too!

    Everyone too must have a beer or spirit they loved and overdid things with in the past and can't even stomach the smell now!?

    Well I'm there with a lot of SC's films I've viewed over the past 30+ years 100's probably 1000's of times. Heresy I hear many say? I can't just say I MUST like them still just because they're viewed by many as iconic. Yes I respect them and will defend every one against criticism but I measured my 'vote' earlier by a key criteria - which I enjoy sitting down and watching right through the most - the watch ability which after all to me is what a film is about. Not which I must be seen to support or ridicule / play down / criticise. I've seen this a lot lately with the love / hate of SP and I find I'm very comfortable being so downbeat, destructive and negative.

    I can understand precisely where you are coming from. GF is iconic and a gloriously entertaining romp but I've seen it so many times now that I struggle to focus on anything other than its flaws. But the first few times you watch it it's sublime.
    I'll reiterate this point, because I'm still at loss- DN, FRWL and GF are the classic Connery Bonds. But Thunderball? Really? This film has way too many flaws to come anywhere near the status that FRWL receives.

    Words of sense for all those claiming TB is platinum. Take Fiona out of it and it's utterly lifeless apart from Sean having a whale of a time in Shrublands.

    Anyway enough wittering:

    Dom Perignon 53
    DN (gets so much better with age)
    FRWL
    OHMSS
    OP (bit of a guilty pleasure - empirically probably should be Gold as some of the India scenes are a bit hit and miss but I couldn't resist putting in Rog at the peak of his powers)
    CR
    SF

    Bollinger Grand Annee
    GF
    TSWLM
    FYEO
    TLD
    GE
    SP (this needs time to settle - I feel it has the potential to nick SF's slot in the premium section)

    Unnamed red 'slightly reminiscent of a 34 Mouton'
    YOLT
    MR
    TND
    QOS

    Red Chianti with fish
    TB
    DAF
    LALD
    TMWTGG
    AVTAK
    LTK
    TWINE

    Phuyuck
    DAD


  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    I always use 'tiers', as I can't really rank the ones in each tier, they each have their strengths.
    After re-watching a number of borderline cases I have downgraded AVTAK one tier. Just too much of a snooze fest.
    LALD has gone up one, to 'average', as it isn't as poor as the bottom tier regulars.


    Top Tier:
    FRWL, OHMSS, CR, TLD, GF

    Good Tier
    DN, TB, TSWLM, FYEO, SP

    Average Tier
    YOLT, LALD, MR, OP, LTK, TND, GE, QOS, SF, TWINE

    Bottom Tier:
    DAF, TMWTGG, AVTAK, DAD
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    I'll reiterate this point, because I'm still at loss- DN, FRWL and GF are the classic Connery Bonds. But Thunderball? Really? This film has way too many flaws to come anywhere near the status that FRWL receives.

    TB = It's iconic, Connery at his best, great villain in Largo, great Bond women, epic script, one liners, set pieces, locations, compelling story, great score and close to Flemings novel. It's top tier all the way.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    I'll reiterate this point, because I'm still at loss- DN, FRWL and GF are the classic Connery Bonds. But Thunderball? Really? This film has way too many flaws to come anywhere near the status that FRWL receives.

    TB = It's iconic, Connery at his best, great villain in Largo, great Bond women, epic script, one liners, set pieces, locations, compelling story, great score and close to Flemings novel. It's top tier all the way.

    TB is the one film I have the most trouble 'rating'. Sometimes it feels like a world-class entry, at other times merely average... can't put my finger on why, exactly.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited November 2015 Posts: 5,131
    Read/ re-read the novel and you'll like the film more. Very faithful in many respects ala CR 2006.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Read/ re-read the novel and you'll like the film more. Very faithful in many respects ala CR 2006.

    It is indeed very close to Fleming's story. Only I find that the relationship with Domino could have been more fleshed out, as it is in the novel. But I guess that sort of thing doesn't sell cinema tickets...
  • Posts: 11,189
    Dom Perignon 53
    DN (gets so much better with age)
    FRWL
    OHMSS
    OP (bit of a guilty pleasure - empirically probably should be Gold as some of the India scenes are a bit hit and miss but I couldn't resist putting in Rog at the peak of his powers)
    CR
    SF

    Bollinger Grand Annee
    GF
    TSWLM
    FYEO
    TLD
    GE
    SP (this needs time to settle - I feel it has the potential to nick SF's slot in the premium section)

    Unnamed red 'slightly reminiscent of a 34 Mouton'
    YOLT
    MR
    TND
    QOS

    Red Chianti with fish
    TB
    DAF
    LALD
    TMWTGG
    AVTAK
    LTK
    TWINE

    Phuyuck
    DAD


    Love the headings. The last one made me giggle :))
  • Posts: 1,497
    Haven't thought about this in a while and haven't done a Bondathon in quite some time (I chuckle now any time I hear the neologism 'bondathon' - sounds like some kind of exteneded S&M session)...I digress, what was I saying? Oh yes, I've been pretty removed from Bondage (snap! there I go again)...er, ok, I mean '007'. So this is just stream of consciousness. I'll revisit all the films over the holidays. So here we go. The "memory" list.

    ***NOTE: I don't have a poor/bad/negative category. As a fan, I find some thrills in all of the films - yes even DAD, though I struggle with that one. We'll just call DAD a missed opportunity. The films are ranked in their order, though by the time I get to Middle of the Road and Missed Opportunity, the lines become blurred: e.g. AVTAK isn't necessarily better than MR. They are each flawed in a different way. AVTAK feels tired, and there's not much to be done to improve it, though it's still a fun 007 adventure. MR on the other hand has the potential to be a bonafide classic if some of the sillier bits and the action scenes in the second half were trimmed down a bit.

    Classic - Gold Standard

    OHMSS
    FRWL
    Dr. No
    GF
    DAF
    TB

    Legacy - (Sits side by side with the Classics but slightly misses the mark)

    YOLT
    TSWLM
    OP
    TLD
    SF

    Middle of the Pack - (Still quality 007 entertainment, just not as good as the above)

    FYEO
    LALD
    TMWTGG
    GE
    LTK
    CR
    AVTAK

    Missed Opportunities - (has it's moments, but there are a few or several moments where things go completely off the rails. With some script editing and/or better direction, the end result could have been greatly improved. MR and SP are extra frustrating because both entries should have been great, but there were a few things that ended up sinking the films)

    MR
    QOS
    SP
    TWINE
    TND
    DAD
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 2,341
    Four Tiers, six films to a tier? Let me take a swing:
    Tier 1 My Favs that just get better
    OHMSS
    CR
    LTK
    OP
    FRWL
    SF

    Tier 2 Enjoyable and memorable
    FYEO
    GF
    TLD
    SP
    DN
    AVTAK


    Tier 3 Take a step back
    TB
    YOLT
    GE
    TSWLM
    TND
    TWINE

    Tier 4 Let dogs lie
    MR
    TMWTGG
    DAD
    QoS
    DAF

    Let me say that I am pleased to see OHMSS so highly regarded among aficionados these days. This film got so much hate when it came out but it took close to 3 decades before critics alike began to appreciate it.

    GF is badly dated. (though it remains a fan fav) While FRWL and CR will always age so much more gracefully.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,585
    OK. I like the challenge of six per tier.

    Platinum Tier (all films listed alphabetically):
    CR, DAF, FRWL, GF, SF, TB

    Gold Tier:
    LTK, LALD, OHMSS, QoS, SP, TSWLM. YOLT

    Silver Tier:
    DN, GE, TLD, TMWTGG, OP, AVTAK

    Bronze Tier:
    DAD, FYEO, MR, TND, TWINE

  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    It warms the cockles of me heart to see the love for Octopussy
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited November 2015 Posts: 17,800
    royale65 wrote: »
    It warms the cockles of me heart to see the love for Octopussy
    If I didn't have this strange, inexplicable love for TMWTGG, OP would be my favourite Moore Bond.

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    I hear so many folks blasting OP (the critics never got past the clown disguise) but I always considered that to be my favorite Moore film. It has a good blend of humor and suspense (like TSWLM).

    I did not like the Tarzan scream but the scene ended with him landing in a nasty river and coming out with leeches stuck to his chest. (gross!)
  • Posts: 1,497
    Moore just seems to fit the role like a glove in OP. The foreshadowing with the death of the other agent in the beginning is an intriguing set-up. I always felt in spite of Tarzan yell and "sit" Op had a fine balance of suspense and humour
  • Posts: 2,341
    JBFan626 wrote: »
    Moore just seems to fit the role like a glove in OP. The foreshadowing with the death of the other agent in the beginning is an intriguing set-up. I always felt in spite of Tarzan yell and "sit" Op had a fine balance of suspense and humour

    Interesting how Moore just fitted the role like a glove despite the fact that he had been trying to get out of the role since completing MR. Maybe he was just using a ploy to get more $$ out of Cubby, but unlike Sean who was obviously fed up and had a hair up his butt during the filming of YOLT, Moore continued to play Bond with a certain bon vivant.

    In defense of Sean, Cubby and Harry did do him wrong. Moore and later Bonds were taken care of and treated better.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    Moore continued to play Bond with a certain bon vivant.
    Very true, and that's why I have the highest regard for him as an actor.
    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    In defense of Sean, Cubby and Harry did do him wrong. Moore and later Bonds were taken care of and treated better.
    That's also probably true, based on what I've read. He was so definitive (not just as far as Bond goes, but in terms of any spy hero for that decade) that he should have been treated better probably.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    True. But Sean was demanding producer status (I gather). Moore just wanted a bigger payday each time.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I hear so many folks blasting OP (the critics never got past the clown disguise) but I always considered that to be my favorite Moore film. It has a good blend of humor and suspense (like TSWLM)

    Absolutely. It's got the absolute lot with the added bonus of Rog on fire.

    The bloke really does deliver it all - from lines that only he could get away with 'Fill her up please', 'That'll keep you in curry for a few weeks' and 'Hiss off!' to brilliant tension when the general won't believe him. To all the cretins who can't see beyond it - the clown suit is what makes the scene and if even Rog is starting to panic then you'd better be sure some serious shit is going down.

    Top class Moore and who with a pulse can't enjoy that?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I hear so many folks blasting OP (the critics never got past the clown disguise) but I always considered that to be my favorite Moore film. It has a good blend of humor and suspense (like TSWLM)

    Absolutely. It's got the absolute lot with the added bonus of Rog on fire.

    The bloke really does deliver it all - from lines that only he could get away with 'Fill her up please', 'That'll keep you in curry for a few weeks' and 'Hiss off!' to brilliant tension when the general won't believe him. To all the cretins who can't see beyond it - the clown suit is what makes the scene and if even Rog is starting to panic then you'd better be sure some serious shit is going down.

    Top class Moore and who with a pulse can't enjoy that?

    Very much agreed.
  • Platinum:
    Casino Royale, From Russia with Love, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Dr. No, Spectre, Skyfall

    Gold:
    Goldfinger, The Living Daylights, Thunderball, Licence to Kill, For Your Eyes Only, GoldenEye. The Spy Who Loved Me, Octopussy

    Silver:
    You Only Live Twice, Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, A View to a Kill, Tomorrow Never Dies, The World is Not Enough, Quantum of Solace

    Bronze:
    Diamonds Are Forever, Moonraker, Die Another Day
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,585
    OHMSS69 wrote: »
    I hear so many folks blasting OP (the critics never got past the clown disguise) but I always considered that to be my favorite Moore film. It has a good blend of humor and suspense (like TSWLM).

    I did not like the Tarzan scream but the scene ended with him landing in a nasty river and coming out with leeches stuck to his chest. (gross!)

    The clown disguise was good stuff. It was a bit surreal, and a precursor to Bond's Dia de los Muertos costume: Bond playing "dress up." Nothing wrong with that, if the circumstances dictate it.

    OP had some clever moments. I especially like the "post title" sequence, with the chase through the woods. I'd have to think more about it, but that might be the most compelling scene in a Bond film that doesn't have James Bond anywhere near or in it.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2015 Posts: 15,718
    Ok, 6 films per tier:

    1. FRWL, OHMSS, TMWTGG, OP, GE, CR
    2 ,AVTAK TSWLM, FYEO, TND, TLD, LTK
    3. TB, LALD, TND, SP, QOS, SF
    4. GF, DAD, MR, DN, YOLT, DAF,

    Extremely difficult as I love DN and Brosnan but if I rank DN higher, Brosnan's outings go down. And I feel Brozza needs more love so I sadly had to sacrifice DN. I notice that SP, QOS and SF are too low, and if I rank them higher, I sacrifice some Moore outings.
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