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  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Best (in order):
    GoldenEye (happens to be my favorite Bond movie)
    Casino Royale (happens to be my second favorite Bond movie)
    The World is Not Enough

    Least
    A View to a Kill
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,159
    I can certainly agree, @QsAssistant!

    AVTAK's PTS wasn't even the flimsiest attempt at a story. Bond finds a microchip and then flees an army of evil soldiers. Wait, did a child write this? Because I came up with "stories" like that when I was improvising Bond films with my friends in school at the age of 8.

    The PTS in CR and GE, by contrast, convey a lot of useful things, specifically about the new Bond. They also earn respect for trying out new things, whereas in AVTAK not even the stunts were that spectacular. The ski-chute in TSWLM, the chute-fight in MR, the heli in FYEO, the little plane in OP... What do we get in AVTAK? The water skiing? It's good, don't get me wrong, but it feels a bit like the real geniuses were on vacation while this PTS got shot. It's a huge disappointment, squeezed in between several before and after that range from very good to thrilling.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    AVTAK was too paint by numbers with horrible green screens, humor, stunt doubles galore and of course the stupid Beach Boys song.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    QsAssistant wrote: »
    Best (in order):
    GoldenEye (happens to be my favorite Bond movie)
    Casino Royale (happens to be my second favorite Bond movie)
    The World is Not Enough

    Least
    A View to a Kill

    I also need to add Quantum of Solace to my least column. Yes the action is good but that's all it really has. It was pointless action that really does nothing for the movie overall. I always felt the movie's PTS should've started when Bond brings Mr. White in for questioning and ended when Bond is hanging upside down just after he shoots the bad guy he was chasing.

    It should've went from this...
    quantum-of-solace-2.jpg

    To this...
    quantum_of_solace_c-0-1080-0-0.jpg?k=d155ccb778
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    That would have worked as well, but I like what we have.
  • GBFGBF
    edited May 2018 Posts: 3,197
    I really enjoy AVTAK'S pts. Sure, it is not the very best. But I still like it more than many others. I especially prefer it to the Lewis Gilbert ones who may have great stunt work but are quite messy due to several stories that are told at the same time. The stunt work is not all bad in AVTAK. And why is the stunt double obvious in the PTS? I think the PTS has the right pace and I even like the little sub marine. That is the normal gag we get at the end of each PTS. I also find that in the Brosnan era, the PTS consist of too many pointless explosions (especially in DAD and TND). The worst PTS, however, may still be DAF.

    The main issue I have with AVTAK is the GG song...

  • 00Beast00Beast
    Posts: 4,762
    GBF wrote: »
    I really enjoy AVTAK'S pts. Sure, it is not the very best. But I still like it more than many others. I especially prefer it to the Lewis Gilbert ones who may have great stunt work but are quite messy due to several stories that are told at the same time. The stunt work is not all bad in AVTAK. And why is the stunt double obvious in the PTS? I think the PTS has the right pace and I even like the little sub marine. That is the normal gag we get at the end of each PTS. I also find that in the Brosnan era, the PTS consist of too many pointless explosions (especially in DAD and TND). The worst PTS, however, may still be DAF.

    The main issue I have with AVTAK is the GG song...

    As far as Moore-era PTS's go, I do like AVTAK's! I like that you mentioned the problem of the Lewis Gilbert PTS's; I'd never thought about the multiple plot lines before. AVTAK's definitely benefits from the simplicity of Bond trying to escape a Russian expedition gone wrong, and the fact that it directly ties to the beginning of the movie's mission is a definite plus (even though I do enjoy some of the separate-mission PTS's). Also- and I'm sure most people probably don't enjoy this, haha- I rather enjoy the Beach Boys cover. Perhaps I'm resting on too much AVTAK nostalgia since it was the first Bond movie I owned on DVD, but, hey- there could have been far worse songs to cover and include!
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I like it as well. I've even come to accept the faux Beach Boys (I hated that in '81). The only part that I really dislike now is Kimberly Jones and the ice berg sub. Too goofy.

    Yeah, the ice berg sub is a definite Moore-era hangup!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I like it as well. I've even come to accept the faux Beach Boys (I hated that in '81). The only part that I really dislike now is Kimberly Jones and the ice berg sub. Too goofy.

    How would you feel if Octopussy had been in the sub?
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    My newest PTS ranking:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. GoldenEye
    3. Goldfinger
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me
    5. The Living Daylights
    6. For Your Eyes Only
    7. Quantum of Solace
    8. Spectre
    9. Skyfall
    10. From Russia with Love
    11. Thunderball
    12. Moonraker
    13. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    14. Tomorrow Never Dies
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Die Another Day
    17. Licence to Kill
    18. Live and Let Die
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun
    20. A View to a Kill
    21. Octopussy
    22. You Only Live Twice
    23. Diamonds Are Forever
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    edited November 2018 Posts: 1,534
    FoxRox wrote: »
    My newest PTS ranking:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. GoldenEye
    3. Goldfinger
    4. The Spy Who Loved Me
    5. The Living Daylights
    6. For Your Eyes Only
    7. Quantum of Solace
    8. Spectre
    9. Skyfall
    10. From Russia with Love
    11. Thunderball
    12. Moonraker
    13. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    14. Tomorrow Never Dies
    15. The World Is Not Enough
    16. Die Another Day
    17. Licence to Kill
    18. Live and Let Die
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun
    20. A View to a Kill
    21. Octopussy
    22. You Only Live Twice
    23. Diamonds Are Forever

    Swap SP for TWINE and we would be pretty close.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Raise YOLT and drop FYEO and I'm fairly similar. That Top 5 PTS list is pretty perfect for me (in a slightly different order)
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Hard to choose a favourite. I absolutely love Moonraker's, despite the stupidness of Jaws flapping his arms at the end. The Spy Who Loved Me's is wonderful too. Goldeneye has a great little mini movie, and Casino Royale's is simple but effective.

    In terms of least favourite's, QOS one, like the rest of the film, has good action but no context. TMWTGG, simply because, no Bond! Ditto LALD. TWINE's goes on for too long.
  • jbohoh7jbohoh7 Jet Skiing into Atlantis
    edited December 2018 Posts: 65
    My Most Favourites:

    1. TSWLM - Nice ski chase and parachute deployment is a classic stunt (no fake cgi)
    2. MR
    3. FYEO - Loved when the Bond theme cuts in when he disables the remote control cable.
    4. TND - Nice mini movie.
    5. OP - Nice acrostar jet.
    6. GF - Connery is the epitome of Cool, when he enters the club. "Shocking, positively shocking"
    7. OHMSS - Loved the scene when he lights the cigarette, and opens the glove box to reveal the gun storage, with Bond theme playing in background.

    My Least Favourites:
    1. TMWTGG
    2. LALD
    3. DN
    4. CR - True Lies fight ripoff.
    5. LTK
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    I haven't read Casino Royale book but was bathroom fight scene in the book?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Resurrection wrote: »
    I haven't read Casino Royale book but was bathroom fight scene in the book?

    No. None of the pts was.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Then I suppose it was a better rip-off from true lies
  • jbohoh7jbohoh7 Jet Skiing into Atlantis
    Posts: 65
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Then I suppose it was a better rip-off from true lies

    Actually, I think Cameron's sequence and movie was much better.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Then I suppose it was a better rip-off from true lies

    Actually, I think Cameron's sequence and movie was much better.

    True lies had some fantastic action sequences but so did CR and most importantly CR tops in terms of story telling and performances.
  • GBFGBF
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    01 TLD (For me by far the best)
    02 GE (great start for Brosnan)
    03 GF
    04 TWINE
    05 TMWTGG (find it a bit overlooked, very suspensefull)
    06 TSWLM (would be much higher, if they concentrated on the ski scene)
    07 SF
    08 AVTAK (cut out the Beach boys song and you have a great pts)
    09 OP
    10 MR (see TSWLM)

    11 FRWL
    12 OHMSS
    13 CR (it is very inventive, it is just not really my cup of tea)
    14 LALD
    15 QoS (don't really like the editing)
    16 TB
    17 LTK
    18 SP
    19 FYEO
    20 YOLT

    21 TND
    22 DAD
    23 DAF
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,575
    I can't think that the bathroom fight was filmed with a mindset that we're gonna do a rip off from True Lies. Funny how if we see something similar that it is an automatic ripoff.
  • jbohoh7jbohoh7 Jet Skiing into Atlantis
    edited December 2018 Posts: 65
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I can't think that the bathroom fight was filmed with a mindset that we're gonna do a rip off from True Lies. Funny how if we see something similar that it is an automatic ripoff.

    So,

    LALD wasn't a rip off of blaxploitation movies?
    TMWTGG wasn't a rip off of Kung Fu movies?
    MR wasn't a rip off of Star Wars?
    LTK wasn't a rip off of Miami Vice?
    Craig movies weren't a rip-off of Bourne movies?

    Give me a break.
  • jbohoh7jbohoh7 Jet Skiing into Atlantis
    Posts: 65
    Resurrection wrote: »
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Then I suppose it was a better rip-off from true lies

    Actually, I think Cameron's sequence and movie was much better.

    True lies had some fantastic action sequences but so did CR and most importantly CR tops in terms of story telling and performances.

    No really, what was the story of CR? Bond has to play poker with a baddie to stop him financing of dirty deeds? That's epic, warrants a 2+hr movie to charge $15 pp.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,575
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I can't think that the bathroom fight was filmed with a mindset that we're gonna do a rip off from True Lies. Funny how if we see something similar that it is an automatic ripoff.

    So,

    LALD wasn't a rip off of blaxploitation movies?
    TMWTGG wasn't a rip off of Kung Fu movies?
    MR wasn't a rip off of Star Wars?
    LTK wasn't a rip off of Miami Vice?
    Craig movies weren't a rip-off of Bourne movies?

    Give me a break.

    I don't call them rip offs. Trends are more like it.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,575
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Resurrection wrote: »
    Then I suppose it was a better rip-off from true lies

    Actually, I think Cameron's sequence and movie was much better.

    True lies had some fantastic action sequences but so did CR and most importantly CR tops in terms of story telling and performances.

    No really, what was the story of CR? Bond has to play poker with a baddie to stop him financing of dirty deeds? That's epic, warrants a 2+hr movie to charge $15 pp.

    Did you enjoy the book?
  • jbohoh7jbohoh7 Jet Skiing into Atlantis
    Posts: 65
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I can't think that the bathroom fight was filmed with a mindset that we're gonna do a rip off from True Lies. Funny how if we see something similar that it is an automatic ripoff.

    So,

    LALD wasn't a rip off of blaxploitation movies?
    TMWTGG wasn't a rip off of Kung Fu movies?
    MR wasn't a rip off of Star Wars?
    LTK wasn't a rip off of Miami Vice?
    Craig movies weren't a rip-off of Bourne movies?

    Give me a break.

    I don't call them rip offs. Trends are more like it.

    Trends? you go with that. Cause I hear that's what the Chinese knock-offs call their goods too.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    The best for me is, Goldeneye, love sneaky bond, sets up the story well and probably the best stunt in the series.
    If only they introduced Piece peering round the corner out the darkness rather then, descending down the toilet.

    The worst in my opinion, A View To A Kill, a really average start to a weak movie. Moore's Bond was always too slapstick and lucky for me, he never looked like an accomplished agent.
    But Sir Roger Moore was an incredible gentlemen who I have huge respect for. Rest In Peace
  • jbohoh7jbohoh7 Jet Skiing into Atlantis
    edited December 2018 Posts: 65
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    The best for me is, Goldeneye, love sneaky bond, sets up the story well and probably the best stunt in the series.
    If only they introduced Piece peering round the corner out the darkness rather then, descending down the toilet.

    The worst in my opinion, A View To A Kill, a really average start to a weak movie. Moore's Bond was always too slapstick and lucky for me, he never looked like an accomplished agent.
    But Sir Roger Moore was an incredible gentlemen who I have huge respect for. Rest In Peace

    For me, the Goldeneye pts was great, up until he jumped off the mountain and the fake green screen of him falling and catching up with the airplane was too fake and cheap looking. Anyone with some basic video editing software and computer can recreate that now. Much prefer real-life stunts, in my Bond/action films.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    I can't think that the bathroom fight was filmed with a mindset that we're gonna do a rip off from True Lies. Funny how if we see something similar that it is an automatic ripoff.

    So,

    LALD wasn't a rip off of blaxploitation movies?
    TMWTGG wasn't a rip off of Kung Fu movies?
    MR wasn't a rip off of Star Wars?
    LTK wasn't a rip off of Miami Vice?
    Craig movies weren't a rip-off of Bourne movies?

    Give me a break.

    Nope it's called movie trends or theme which goes on and off almost every decade. They didn't just copy it frame by frame like mi series have Done in the last 2 films from bond series and other action films.
    Moonraker first 2 hour isn't a rip-off
    LTK isn't rip off
    Neither were TMWTGG or LALD
    The only thing Craig era has ripped from Bourne series was shaky camera's in QOS and not only bond but TDK also had an influence to many films in 21st century. Understand the difference between following an on going trend and ripping off
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited December 2018 Posts: 2,541
    jbohoh7 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    The best for me is, Goldeneye, love sneaky bond, sets up the story well and probably the best stunt in the series.
    If only they introduced Piece peering round the corner out the darkness rather then, descending down the toilet.

    The worst in my opinion, A View To A Kill, a really average start to a weak movie. Moore's Bond was always too slapstick and lucky for me, he never looked like an accomplished agent.
    But Sir Roger Moore was an incredible gentlemen who I have huge respect for. Rest In Peace

    For me, the Goldeneye pts was great, up until he jumped off the mountain and the fake green screen of him falling and catching up with the airplane was too fake and cheap looking. Anyone with some basic video editing software and computer can recreate that now. Much prefer real-life stunts, in my Bond/action films.

    I know that jump was bad but stunt was performed completely real look it in the BTS of GoldenEye.
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