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What is your favourite/least favourite Pre-Title-Sequence?

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @00Beast, I've always said I would love to see a prequel with Bond and Alec working together. More of a dream film, really.

    @JWESTBROOK, I know this is a pathetic request, but could you change 'best' in the thread title to 'favorite?' I'm really OCD every time I read it, and it pathetically irks me, haha.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited July 2012 Posts: 5,745
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @JWESTBROOK, I know this is a pathetic request, but could you change 'best' in the thread title to 'favorite?' I'm really OCD every time I read it, and it pathetically irks me, haha.

    I just don't see how I can let it be done, sorry. It stays.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Ahh, thank you! I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, my apologies if it came across that way.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Ahh, thank you! I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, my apologies if it came across that way.

    I just can't see my day improving after that, thanks. Off to a tub of chocolate ice cream and Batman Begins to try and making something of this day you've ruined.



    (*jokes*)

    But no seriously, ice cream and Batman time.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited July 2012 Posts: 40,976
    @JWESTBROOK, and with your retort, I'll find myself with a mixed drink (or two) and 'The Seven Year Itch.'

    Seriously, :) haha.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    [ Off to a tub of chocolate ice cream and Batman Begins to try and making something of this day you've ruined.



    I see like me youre limbering up for TDKR. Finished Batman Begins yesterday and today I will do TDK. Think I will go pizza rather than ice cream though.
  • WhiteroseLUWhiteroseLU
    edited July 2012 Posts: 41
    1° Tomorrow Never Dies
    - Love the code names, the action and Ms response to the Admiral's "whats does he think hes doing?" ("His Job")

    2° The Living Daylights
    - The first shot of Dalton as he turns to the scream, the fighting in the Jeep and "better make that 2"

    3° Goldfinger
    - The tux under the wet suit, the grappling gun and "shocking, positivly shocking"

    Hopefully Skyfall will be up there!
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Great Bond PTS

    On Her Majestys Secret Service
    The Man With The Golden Gun
    Moonraker
    Octopussy
    The World Is Not Enough

    Good Bond PTS

    For Your Eyes Only
    The Living Daylights
    Goldeneye
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    Die Another Day

    Middle Bond PTS

    From Russia With Love
    Thunderball
    Live and Let Die
    License to Kill

    Poor or uninteresting Bond PTS

    Goldfinger
    You Only Live Twice
    Diamonds are Forever
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    A View to a Kill
    Quantum of Nausea
    Casino Royale

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  • 00Beast00Beast
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    To take Baltimore's idea:

    Great
    Goldfinger (despite my feeling towards the movie, I do always enjoy the PTS)
    Moonraker (once again, despite the fact the MR can be really boring at times, I do enjoy the PTS)
    For Your Eyes Only (call me crazy, but I love the helicopter trap; also, the soundtrack does the whole scene justice!)
    A View to a Kill (again, call me crazy, but I've always loved the opening of AVTAK- the ski chase is quite thrilling)
    License to Kill (it's simple, yes, but it gets me ready for the rest of the movie!)
    GoldenEye (just amazing- best way to start off any movie of all time)
    The World is not Enough (no explanation is needed)
    Die Another Day (action-packed. Enough said.)
    Casino Royale (short but we get both an incredible fist fight and Bond's determining kill for being a double-oh)

    Good
    Thunderball (the fight with Colonel Boitier is decent, not a favorite of mine; also, the jet-pack was kind of unnecessary)
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service (the fist fights are good but everything else is forgettable)
    The Spy Who Loved Me (not completely sure why I wouldn't put this in the great section, but I for one haven't always thought it was that terrific)
    Octopussy (I would put this in the great section, but the locations are really bland and dull, so it loses points there)
    The Living Daylights (contrary to popular opinion, I think this one is just decent)
    Tomorrow Never Dies (despite my love for the rest of the movie, something here just doesn't completely satisfy like everything else to come)

    The Rest
    From Russia with Love (too short and not a lot going on)
    Diamonds Are Forever (lacks good action- what we got was a little stale)
    Live and Let Die (no Bond and barely any excitement, also way too short)
    The Man with the Golden Gun (not much to say here, just that it's mildly entertaining)
    Quantum of Solace (it'd be nice if I knew what was going on)

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I must be a rare case, because I really didn't have a hard time understanding the PTS of QoS.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I must be a rare case, because I really didn't have a hard time understanding the PTS of QoS.

    It definitely got easier the second and continued viewings. Most people didn't give it that chance.

    Plus, I re-edited it.. twice (because I lost the first one :/ ) so I know it in and out ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    And those people should have given it another chance. Very entertaining scene, especially after you give it a few viewings and can grasp what's going on. I'll admit, I was confused the first time around: for a second, I thought the truck driver was Craig, and it took me a few repeated viewings to realize the police jeep that tumbles down the quarry does not connect with Bond's Aston Martin.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    And those people should have given it another chance. Very entertaining scene, especially after you give it a few viewings and can grasp what's going on. I'll admit, I was confused the first time around: for a second, I thought the truck driver was Craig, and it took me a few repeated viewings to realize the police jeep that tumbles down the quarry does not connect with Bond's Aston Martin.

    I got rid of the truck driver in my edit :) What was a four minute scene I managed to get down to 2.5 I believe. Alot of crazy little cuts to remove. But the end result didn't seem that much different. It's an irreversible mess, but it's still entertainment.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    My favorite shot of that PTS has to be the very end, when Craig blasts the car with the UMP, the score stops, and the car flies off the cliff. Beautiful work. They spent those four minutes unloading on him, and Bond merely needs only a few bullets to take them out.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    My favorite shot of that PTS has to be the very end, when Craig blasts the car with the UMP, the score stops, and the car flies off the cliff. Beautiful work. They spent those four minutes unloading on him, and Bond merely needs only a few bullets to take them out.

    Haha indeed. The music I mixed (was a tune by Giacchino from The Incredibles; very Barry-esque) had an end that, no lie, matches the beat of the gunshots. It fit perfectly. But yes, Arnold made me very proud with that scene. The soft build up, then silence to let the engine pierce through, and a great little track to finish off the chase.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited July 2012 Posts: 40,976
    That's awesome. Do you have that edited video online, by any chance?

    I love when a score matches the beat of gunshots. It happened in 'The Town' trailer - then the gunshots were entirely different in the film - and the QoS trailer when Bond ejects the magazine out of his PPK, the score cuts. So beautiful.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    That's awesome. Do you have that edited video online, by any chance?

    I love when a score matches the beat of gunshots. It happened in 'The Town' trailer - then the gunshots were entirely different in the film - and the QoS trailer when Bond ejects the magazine out of his PPK, the score cuts. So beautiful.

    Indeed, I have my own thread! http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/3314/jwestbrooks-editing-expiriments#Item_3
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Haha, wow, very, very, very cool, with incredibly impeccable timing.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I watched it again in the recent past, and the opening is still a muddled, nauseating mess. It was merely a prelude to events to come. Opinions haven't changed
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I find it pretty easy to follow. The shots cut very quickly, but I've never had a problem understanding what happens.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I prefer the earliest releases when Connery took things nice and slow, and you could digest all what was going on, and understand each frame without events speeding by at breakneck speed. The quickness of some of the shots in 2008 were ludicrous I feel for the opening, I don't know what they were thinking, maybe should of slowed down a little.. It just contributes to an overall poor release I'm afraid. I have to be truthful with myself
  • 00Beast00Beast
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    I prefer the earliest releases when Connery took things nice and slow, and you could digest all what was going on, and understand each frame without events speeding by at breakneck speed. The quickness of some of the shots in 2008 were ludicrous I feel for the opening, I don't know what they were thinking, maybe should of slowed down a little.. It just contributes to an overall poor release I'm afraid. I have to be truthful with myself

    I too always enjoy an action scene much more when the camera moves slowly so that you can take everything in shot by shot without having to use the slow motion option on the DVD remote, hahaha.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    That reminds me of the famous scene in GoodFellas where
    The camera spends about 10 minutes gently going from side to side and room to room showing any, and all the relevant characters, from the kitchens to the tables etc, what you described, in one such scenario. If Marc Forster had been involved, all you would of got was a few seconds of blurs and a quick shot of a salt shaker or tablespoon maybe

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    That reminds me of the famous scene in GoodFellas where
    The camera spends about 10 minutes gently going from side to side and room to room showing any, and all the relevant characters, from the kitchens to the tables etc, what you described, in one such scenario. If Marc Forster had been involved, all you would of got was a few seconds of blurs and a quick shot of a salt shaker or tablespoon maybe

    Is that the scene where
    De Niro's character enters the club and is tipping and saying hello to everyone, before he gets a table in the restaurant?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Baltimore_007 wrote:
    That reminds me of the famous scene in GoodFellas where
    The camera spends about 10 minutes gently going from side to side and room to room showing any, and all the relevant characters, from the kitchens to the tables etc, what you described, in one such scenario. If Marc Forster had been involved, all you would of got was a few seconds of blurs and a quick shot of a salt shaker or tablespoon maybe

    Is that the scene where
    De Niro's character enters the club and is tipping and saying hello to everyone, before he gets a table in the restaurant?

    Are they really spoliers? Youve got to be a pretty pathetic individual if your enjoyment of the film would be ruined by knowing that in advance.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @TheWizardOfIce, you never know. You never know.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I have been told about the severity of Spoilers, I was just being cautious...

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It's better to be safe than sorry. I, for one, hate spoilers and try to avoid big sequences of films I haven't seen, but something like that wouldn't really effect me.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    Maybe he was right though, maybe it wasn't necessary to give Spoilers for it, but there are people who were unaware of the scenes in question doubtless, and I played it safe, next time I'll only do it for purposes I truly feel are relevant to any movie in question
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    What sort of world do we live in where we have to use a spolier warning that theres a scene in a restaurant? Oh no!! I've just let the cat out of the bag. I really hope no one sues me.
    If thats a spoiler then telling someone its a film about gangsters is a spolier.

    Its over 20 years old anyway and a classic so people really shouldve seen it by now. And if they havent shame on them.
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