What is your least favourite Brosnan flick ?

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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    We will agree to disagree it's obvious from our opinions I'm from a different time when it comes to Bond and have probably been a fan for too long to accept his era, you I feel are quite a bit younger than me and we'll leave it at that.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    You talking to me or @thelivingroyale?

    I am quite young (I'm 26) but I got the impression he was liked by older generations too.
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    double post
  • Shardlake wrote:
    We will agree to disagree it's obvious from our opinions I'm from a different time when it comes to Bond and have probably been a fan for too long to accept his era, you I feel are quite a bit younger than me and we'll leave it at that.

    I'm 29 and I don't think age has anything to do with it. @4EverBonded has been a Bond fan since the 70s and she likes Brosnan. But yeah it's obvious we're never going to agree on this so it's best to just leave it at that.
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Whether you like Brosnan or not the guy does have charisma. You can tell the likes of Judi Dench, Desmond Llewelyn and Samantha Bond enjoyed working with him. He's had a pretty successful career outside of Bond too. The bloke DOES have charm.

    I think Dench said an interview that Craig was great but she did miss Brosnan.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    Brosnan got me into 007 - he got me reading the books, he got me watching all the films, he got me into the whole Bond legacy.

    He did have his weaknesses and I don't rate him as high as I did but am I not allowed to like the man that started it all for me?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I'm sorry but age will always come into it and those who don't agree are just being diplomatic I saw my first Bond film in 1977 and are from a different generation, maybe when you have as long legacy you'll be disagreeing with someone younger than you about things regarding the series like me and maybe you won't.
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    I like LTK and GE in equal measure. Robert Davi is a far greater villain IMO than Sean Bean though
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Brosnan got me into 007 - he got me reading the books, he got me watching all the films, he got me into the whole Bond legacy.

    He did have his weaknesses and I don't rate him as high as I did but am I not allowed to like the man that started it all for me?

    I for one would be very sad if you ever gave up supporting Brozza. then there'd be no one left to argue with

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    Once I have a mug with his face on it there is no going back ;)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Once I had a dartboard with his face on it.
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    To give the young'uns their due, for many of them Brozza was all they knew to start with, so they are bound to have a blind spot as far as he's concerned. BAIN falls into this category. Brozza was his first Bond and to his credit he has looked beyond his hero to embrace the whole series. I also get the sense in the short period I've been locking blades with him that his own view of Brozza has changed and may be he doesn't hold him in such high regard as he used. However, because Brozza was his 'first' he will always have a fond memory of him, no matter how much other Bond experiences prove more satisfying and enjoyable.
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    Once I had a dartboard with his face on it.

    I would pay good money for that particular piece of Bond memorabilia.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited October 2012 Posts: 13,355
    Getafix wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Once I had a dartboard with his face on it.

    I would pay good money for that particular piece of Bond memorabilia.

    No can do. Guess what happened to it.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,189
    I also get the sense in the short period I've been locking blades with him that his own view of Brozza has changed and may be he doesn't hold him in such high regard as he used

    I don't, you're right! but I can't help but have a soft spot for him - and I think he had several great moments where he wasn't overshadowed by any of the other actors.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I also get the sense in the short period I've been locking blades with him that his own view of Brozza has changed and may be he doesn't hold him in such high regard as he used [/quote]

    I don't, you're right! but I can't help but have a soft spot for him - and I think he had several great moments where he wasn't overshadowed by any of the other actors. [/quote]

    I'll let you have your moment of self delusion because I'm feeling generous, but tomorrow I'll be back to bash the Brozza again.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 12,837
    Shardlake wrote:
    I'm sorry but age will always come into it and those who don't agree are just being diplomatic I saw my first Bond film in 1977 and are from a different generation, maybe when you have as long legacy you'll be disagreeing with someone younger than you about things regarding the series like me and maybe you won't.

    Like I said, I don't think age has anything to do with it. I think it's just people having different tastes. @4EverBonded is one of the "original" Bond fans (they've got a thread), and she likes Brosnan.
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Once I had a dartboard with his face on it.

    I'm off to do an experiment.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Brosnan got me into 007 - he got me reading the books, he got me watching all the films, he got me into the whole Bond legacy.

    He did have his weaknesses and I don't rate him as high as I did but am I not allowed to like the man that started it all for me?

    Same for me, dear Bain. Connery is the best, I have a soft spot for Sir Rog, and reading the Fleming's books, I'm picturing Craig more and more as Bond. (something about his taciturn, ironic face, and he went to sleep, at the beginning of Casino Royale...) But Brosnan is me fave. :-)

    I think Brosnan's films are aimed at teenager's, which you, me the livingroyale ect were at the time. I can imagine older members, some, but not all of them, being underwhelmed by Brozz's efforts.



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    royale65 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Brosnan got me into 007 - he got me reading the books, he got me watching all the films, he got me into the whole Bond legacy.

    He did have his weaknesses and I don't rate him as high as I did but am I not allowed to like the man that started it all for me?

    Same for me, dear Bain. Connery is the best, I have a soft spot for Sir Rog, and reading the Fleming's books, I'm picturing Craig more and more as Bond. (something about his taciturn, ironic face, and he went to sleep, at the beginning of Casino Royale...) But Brosnan is me fave. :-)

    I think Brosnan's films are aimed at teenager's, which you, me the livingroyale ect were at the time. I can imagine older members, some, but not all of them, being underwhelmed by Brozz's efforts.



    I can understand in fairness why older people are underwhelmed by Brosnan's films. They ARE - by and large - aimed at teenagers and have lots of explosions, gunfights and action with not that much depth.

    Last year I rewatched TB and TND back to back and, while I still enjoyed it, I was actually a bit disappointed by the latter. Not by Brosnan who I didn't mind but by the emphasis on guns and explosions over story and class.

    GE is easily the one that has the best mix of action AND drama. The action is exciting and well directed though and doesn't go into overkill like the others do...Natalya will always be one of my favourite Bond girls too. Just the other week I was talking to a Polish work colleague about Bond and said she sounded like Izabella Scoropco :p
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    You talking to me or @thelivingroyale?

    I am quite young (I'm 26) but I got the impression he was liked by older generations too.

    26? You told me you were 27.Knocking years off your age. Sinitta? Is that you?


    :)) :))
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 11,425
    Did Brosnan make an effort? I hadn't noticed.
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    actonsteve wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    You talking to me or @thelivingroyale?

    I am quite young (I'm 26) but I got the impression he was liked by older generations too.

    26? You told me you were 27.Knocking years off your age. Sinitta? Is that you?


    :)) :))

    No I said I was nearly 27 (my birthday is in November) :p
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    While I don't rate Brosnan all that highly as an actor (The Matador and Tailor of Panama aside) I still feell he didd a decent job as Bond but pales in comparison next to Connery, Craig (marginally second) and Dalton in that order. I,m 38 and grew up on Moore's films at the flicks so remember them with fondness. Shame he didn't quit after Eyes Only though.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Oh look, it's so much fun to bash. Hmm. Let's start on Brosnan again, why not? Well when Brosnan came around, a certain segment of Bond fans were happy to start bashing Moore. Don't know why it (tearing down others/negativity) sort of snowballs, but it does. Human nature, I guess.

    I want to say to every one clearly: Do not judge Bond fans too generally, when it comes to age. People have a wide variety of tastes, likes, preferences. And yes, I am a huge Brosnan fan. So are many of my contemporaries. And I am one of the oldest on this site, by the way (in my fifties).

    I have been a Bond fan since age 13, and I can honestly say I like all of the actors who have played Bond except Lazenby. I have read all the books. And I am a lifelong movie fan; I really enjoy films. Literature and movies are two of my passions. I may be more openminded than some folks as regards to what Bond should look like. And I am okay with each actor bringing something of his own strengths/personality to Bond, within reason. So I am quite happy with Sean, Roger, Timothy, Pierce and Dan. I only had doubts about Dan (I hadn't yet since much of his work); but that disappeared the moment I saw Casino Royale. Love him as Bond.

    As for Brosnan - he was a fine Bond indeed. I am a proud Brosnan fan; you're right, @thelivingroyale. He had many fine moments, not just a few. It is shame Brosnan's last film was such a letdown, really poor - his performance in it was good. I especially love GE and TND, but some of my friends (my age) like TWINE as their favorite Bond film. He deserved a fifth film and a better one to go out on.

    So we can and will disagree with each other - after all, we are individuals who have our own likes/dislikes. I love with a passion FRWL, DN, TSWLM, FYEO, TLD, GE and CR. Pretty much the whole spectrum. For me, there is no blinkered ideal Bond;, I can welcome new actors in the role. But they must have something special, and really have me believe they are James Bond (and Lazenby didn't do that).

    Onwards to Skyfall, everyone! And I am much cheered - it is looking like a spectacularly entertaining Bond movie, a return to "classic" style in some ways, fun, with maybe a decent screenplay, too.






  • Shardlake wrote:
    I'm sorry but age will always come into it and those who don't agree are just being diplomatic I saw my first Bond film in 1977 and are from a different generation, maybe when you have as long legacy you'll be disagreeing with someone younger than you about things regarding the series like me and maybe you won't.

    Like I said, I don't think age has anything to do with it. I think it's just people having different tastes. @4EverBonded is one of the "original" Bond fans (they've got a thread), and she likes Brosnan.
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Once I had a dartboard with his face on it.

    I'm off to do an experiment.

    Playing "devil's advocate", for some people age does have something to do with it, but usually it's because they've gotten an image or idea in their head of what Bond should look like or they like a certain style of Bond. They can't or won't change with the times unless it suits them. But maybe it really does boil down to personal taste.

    I can't speak for the rest of my fellow originals from the 1960's and early 70's before Moore took the role, but I don't have a major problem with any of the Bond actors. Brosnan is probably my 2nd least favorite after Lazenby, they each bring good things to the role, but I find their portrayals less complete than the others. I like Brosnan's first two just fine, the last two rank in my bottom 3 along with MR. But I don't blame the respective actors for those, but rather the script and the casting. It will be interesting to see how we see the Brosnan films when we review them, but what I am rather sure about in advance reading various references is that none of us seem to like DAD.

  • EiragornEiragorn Hessia
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    I think age does matter for the casual Bond fan who has been grown up with Brosnan without caring to much about the franchise. I am 22 and Brosnan is the Bond actor I like the least followed by Mr. Moore. But my opinion has been formed because of reading the original novels and realizing that little of the character was left in those two portrayals. But I have to admit that I do love GE and count it as one of my favourite Bond movies because it was one of the first Bond movies I took full notice of.
  • cwl007cwl007 England
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    DAD, because of the god awful dragster sequence and the unforgivable CGI ending to it. The Bond movies were always build on great stunt work until that point. Brosnan himself is very good in all his Bond's though.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Getafix wrote:
    To give the young'uns their due, for many of them Brozza was all they knew to start with, so they are bound to have a blind spot as far as he's concerned. BAIN falls into this category. Brozza was his first Bond and to his credit he has looked beyond his hero to embrace the whole series. I also get the sense in the short period I've been locking blades with him that his own view of Brozza has changed and may be he doesn't hold him in such high regard as he used. However, because Brozza was his 'first' he will always have a fond memory of him, no matter how much other Bond experiences prove more satisfying and enjoyable.

    Young'uns? Aren't you an 80's man Getafix?
  • Getafix wrote:
    To give the young'uns their due, for many of them Brozza was all they knew to start with, so they are bound to have a blind spot as far as he's concerned. BAIN falls into this category. Brozza was his first Bond and to his credit he has looked beyond his hero to embrace the whole series. I also get the sense in the short period I've been locking blades with him that his own view of Brozza has changed and may be he doesn't hold him in such high regard as he used. However, because Brozza was his 'first' he will always have a fond memory of him, no matter how much other Bond experiences prove more satisfying and enjoyable.

    I do think alot of the time the first Bond they saw will be peoples favourite, or at least they'll have a soft spot for them. First Bond I saw was Dalton and he's still my favourite.
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    Oh look, it's so much fun to bash. Hmm. Let's start on Brosnan again, why not? Well when Brosnan came around, a certain segment of Bond fans were happy to start bashing Moore. Don't know why it (tearing down others/negativity) sort of snowballs, but it does. Human nature, I guess.

    I want to say to every one clearly: Do not judge Bond fans too generally, when it comes to age. People have a wide variety of tastes, likes, preferences. And yes, I am a huge Brosnan fan. So are many of my contemporaries. And I am one of the oldest on this site, by the way (in my fifties).

    I have been a Bond fan since age 13, and I can honestly say I like all of the actors who have played Bond except Lazenby. I have read all the books. And I am a lifelong movie fan; I really enjoy films. Literature and movies are two of my passions. I may be more openminded than some folks as regards to what Bond should look like. And I am okay with each actor bringing something of his own strengths/personality to Bond, within reason. So I am quite happy with Sean, Roger, Timothy, Pierce and Dan. I only had doubts about Dan (I hadn't yet since much of his work); but that disappeared the moment I saw Casino Royale. Love him as Bond.

    As for Brosnan - he was a fine Bond indeed. I am a proud Brosnan fan; you're right, @thelivingroyale. He had many fine moments, not just a few. It is shame Brosnan's last film was such a letdown, really poor - his performance in it was good. I especially love GE and TND, but some of my friends (my age) like TWINE as their favorite Bond film. He deserved a fifth film and a better one to go out on.

    So we can and will disagree with each other - after all, we are individuals who have our own likes/dislikes. I love with a passion FRWL, DN, TSWLM, FYEO, TLD, GE and CR. Pretty much the whole spectrum. For me, there is no blinkered ideal Bond;, I can welcome new actors in the role. But they must have something special, and really have me believe they are James Bond (and Lazenby didn't do that).

    Onwards to Skyfall, everyone! And I am much cheered - it is looking like a spectacularly entertaining Bond movie, a return to "classic" style in some ways, fun, with maybe a decent screenplay, too.

    I love the old chestnut about how Brozza deserved 'one more'. He stars in the biggest piece of crud the series has seen and still his die hard fans claims that rather than sacking him and finally giving the job to a decent actor, EON should have responded by giving him another go. Classic.

  • Did Brosnan write/direct the film? No, he just starred in it and did the best he could.

    It's not his fault, it's not like he came into work and demanded that they put in an entire CGI action scene and Halle Berry.
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