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Looking through John Logan's script for "Spectre"

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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess.. maybe it's for another thread, but finding a villain's scheme that's interesting is a really tough call I think. Silva wanting to kill M is such a nice and simple way of getting the audience to feel the drama; I'd suggest that Camille's path of revenge on Maduro is probably more interesting and engaging than Greene's evil plot too.

    Medrano XD.

  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess.. maybe it's for another thread, but finding a villain's scheme that's interesting is a really tough call I think. Silva wanting to kill M is such a nice and simple way of getting the audience to feel the drama; I'd suggest that Camille's path of revenge on Maduro is probably more interesting and engaging than Greene's evil plot too.

    I always loved the plot of QOS. If it's good enough for Chinatown, Once Upon a Time in the West and Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources, it's good enough for a Bond villain.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,383
    It should be an interesting idea, but I find QoS makes it uninteresting and undramatic. Bond doesn't even undo his scheme: he just kills him and we have to presume someone else sorts it all out offscreen afterwards.

    In fact it always bugs me that Bond and Camille walk through that village which seems to be suffering from a drought: and they don't tell them there's a huge reservoir of water within walking distance! :D
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,629
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess.. maybe it's for another thread, but finding a villain's scheme that's interesting is a really tough call I think. Silva wanting to kill M is such a nice and simple way of getting the audience to feel the drama; I'd suggest that Camille's path of revenge on Maduro is probably more interesting and engaging than Greene's evil plot too.

    I always loved the plot of QOS. If it's good enough for Chinatown, Once Upon a Time in the West and Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources, it's good enough for a Bond villain.
    mtm wrote: »
    It should be an interesting idea, but I find QoS makes it uninteresting and undramatic. Bond doesn't even undo his scheme: he just kills him and we have to presume someone else sorts it all out offscreen afterwards.

    In fact it always bugs me that Bond and Camille walk through that village which seems to be suffering from a drought: and they don't tell them there's a huge reservoir of water within walking distance! :D

    Marc “I don’t like James Bond, but I love Casino Royale” is arguably the one to blame.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,846
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    Yes I know the site above is in French but some images could interest you.

    About the snow chase, well, in previz they did indeed seriously considered the rumoured snowmobile chase

    Script-B24-17.jpg

    (image from http://www.commander007.net/2015/11/spectre-autres-scripts/ )

    shame that spectre didnt have the snowmobile chase
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 4,247
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    Yes I know the site above is in French but some images could interest you.

    About the snow chase, well, in previz they did indeed seriously considered the rumoured snowmobile chase

    Script-B24-17.jpg

    (image from http://www.commander007.net/2015/11/spectre-autres-scripts/ )

    shame that spectre didnt have the snowmobile chase

    Yeah, it seems SP has countless missed opportunities. Whenever we look into it, we discover more.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2020 Posts: 5,970
    Charlotte King was an element i was sad to see they ditched.

    We would've have finally had a proper femme-fatale in the Craig-era.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 7,418
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    Yes I know the site above is in French but some images could interest you.

    About the snow chase, well, in previz they did indeed seriously considered the rumoured snowmobile chase

    Script-B24-17.jpg

    (image from http://www.commander007.net/2015/11/spectre-autres-scripts/ )

    shame that spectre didnt have the snowmobile chase

    Yes, would have been very cool!
    Good thing is, they never throw away these ideas, so its bound to turn up in a future Bond!
    (Example, the OP Acrostar jet was meant for MR!)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,383
    Ooh I need to read back through this thread. Never seen that skidoo visual before.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    mtm wrote: »
    It should be an interesting idea, but I find QoS makes it uninteresting and undramatic. Bond doesn't even undo his scheme: he just kills him and we have to presume someone else sorts it all out offscreen afterwards.

    In fact it always bugs me that Bond and Camille walk through that village which seems to be suffering from a drought: and they don't tell them there's a huge reservoir of water within walking distance! :D

    Well, since it was through Greene that the scheme was to be made once Medrano took power, Bond with Camille pretty much destroyed Quantum's scheme there: Greene is dead, Medrano and his men are dead, the coup d'état did not happen. I do think it could have been developed more and better. The execution may have been lacking, but the plot itself was great.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2020 Posts: 16,383
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It should be an interesting idea, but I find QoS makes it uninteresting and undramatic. Bond doesn't even undo his scheme: he just kills him and we have to presume someone else sorts it all out offscreen afterwards.

    In fact it always bugs me that Bond and Camille walk through that village which seems to be suffering from a drought: and they don't tell them there's a huge reservoir of water within walking distance! :D

    Well, since it was through Greene that the scheme was to be made once Medrano took power, Bond with Camille pretty much destroyed Quantum's scheme there: Greene is dead, Medrano and his men are dead, the coup d'état did not happen. I do think it could have been developed more and better. The execution may have been lacking, but the plot itself was great.

    I just think if you're going to make a plot about something, then in a Bond film you should explore that visually a bit. Goldfinger liked gold, so we get Fort Knox with bars stacked high. Water gets mentioned in QoS and apart from a brief glimpse at a reservoir it doesn't get explored at all: it may as well just be money. It's just an abstract commodity, not a theme. It's not interesting or dramatic.
    Give me personal stakes and a bit of drama any day.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,117
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    It should be an interesting idea, but I find QoS makes it uninteresting and undramatic. Bond doesn't even undo his scheme: he just kills him and we have to presume someone else sorts it all out offscreen afterwards.

    In fact it always bugs me that Bond and Camille walk through that village which seems to be suffering from a drought: and they don't tell them there's a huge reservoir of water within walking distance! :D

    Well, since it was through Greene that the scheme was to be made once Medrano took power, Bond with Camille pretty much destroyed Quantum's scheme there: Greene is dead, Medrano and his men are dead, the coup d'état did not happen. I do think it could have been developed more and better. The execution may have been lacking, but the plot itself was great.

    I just think if you're going to make a plot about something, then in a Bond film you should explore that visually a bit. Goldfinger liked gold, so we get Fort Knox with bars stacked high. Water gets mentioned in QoS and apart from a brief glimpse at a reservoir it doesn't get explored at all: it may as well just be money. It's just an abstract commodity, not a theme.
    Give me personal stakes and a bit of drama any day.

    I agree it was not explored much visually, except as an absence (not unlike the other films I have mentioned, come to think of it.)
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