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Agree with this - incidentally my brother isn't a Bond fan but he always loved LALD.
I wonder if it will not get compared with the Brosnan years where the first movies were good but it let to a bad last one. Both did splendid in the BO. At least Craig has a chance to end with swansong and for Brosnan that is a closed door.
Actually that comparison is quite good.
GE - CR (self-explanatory)
QOS - TND (much loved by most fans of Brosnan/Craig, more cold action, still regarded as less good than the first one)
TWINE - SF (the failed attempt at darkness, plot twists and M being "guilty" and the villain trying to get her, story-wise both the worst in each era)
DAD - SP (DAD went OTT after the dreary TWINE, a lot of humour and almost sci-fi comic book action stuff, SP went OTT after the dreary SF, a lot of humour and Bondian stuff that was so needed back)
History will show if SP goes the same route popularity wise as DAD has. DAD was highly successful and loved generally back then. So is SP. But in 10 years it could be different.
It must be bitter for the die-hard Craig fans (who despise Brosnan) that the Craig-era has turned out not that much different.
In my experience, die-hard Craig fans tend to look down on everyone else, so I don't feel too much sympathy with them for this.
By the way, great list with superb explanations. I never realised the two tenures were so alike.
GE, SF and SP yes. But not QOS I can't be convinced there.
Having said that, Brosnan's period (with the exception of the more low key GE) was always about simple gadget laden action entertainment. Nothing more.
Agreed on everything except your opinion for Skyfall and The world is not enough. Yes its the quite slower than their respective previous two and more grownded with more storybthan action.
And that's exactly what makes great both in my opinion it's their respective From Russia with love more spy thriller Bond flicks.
But you are entitled to your own opinion and here im just talking about personal preferences but at the end i like the 4 films of Both ( Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craig)
Sometimes i wonder if this fans rivalry will ever end and poor Craig fans who are dealing with two Bond actors fan bases.
The first is Pierce Brosnan vs Daniel Craig and the second is Daniel Craig vs Timothy Dalton.
TLD, LTK,GE, TND, QOS & SP are all in my top 10..... \m/
films that aren't liked or appreciated in their time, eventually find their audience and seem to find new life (ie: OHMSS, OP, TLD or LTK - and now we are even seeing pockets of people warm to QOS - which got panned and shredded on these boards when it came out)..
films that are usually the quote "standard" or generally viewed upon as the best in the series (by fans or by mainstream media) will always have a contingent that wants to knock it down a peg or two, or five... it's the way fandom goes - if people like something, they like it and move on... if people dislike something, even if they are the minority, they will scream and yell the loudest, so it makes it seem like there are more of them then there really is..
for my money, SP is a good Bond film - far from perfect, but also far from a disaster like some here make it out to be, and i think in time, it will find it's audience among the fans and eventually be viewed outside of microscope of being "the new one", and some feelings may soften
My views on SP are the same, and it has declined considerably in my personal estimation since it came out (I wasn't too keen on it when I first saw it either).
As I said then, we'll only know in 10 yrs or so where it really stands, but for this life long fan, it's distinctly bottom 5.
:-<
I had a personal revelation, please bare with me: I went on and on and on about individual scenes in SP: the pre-title sequence and the wonderful behind-the-mask work Craig did; Bond's intro scene with C ("no, I think I'll call you "C"'.); Bond's "Life Insurance" scene with Lucia Sciarra; his assassination of the assassins; his twisted "seduction" scene of the widow; the intro of SPECTRE... on and on it goes...
I was praising a film that I was disappointed in. And it dawned: this is the strangest Bond film (for me) to date: all of these excellent and quintessential Bond scenes, yet, when you thread it together, it doesn't work as an entire film.
The scenes, individually are so rich, and they all tell their own mini-story, like a buncha short films, but, looking at it as a full feature film, it falls flat.
Will SP be appreciated in the future? My guess it will be seen as a beautiful failure, but nothing to be embarrassed about.
Unless, you know, one is blind....
B-)
Yes, to all of this.