A Note on MI6 Community Moderators

I've held my tongue for long enough, but if this forum is to be the community that it aspires to be, that responsibility falls squarely on the shoulders of this forum's moderators.

At times, the indecency, unfair comments, rude gestures, and unwarranted posting closings take the fun out of what used to be a great forum.

I understand that this is my opinion, and that others agree and disagree (I've heard both sides), but if this is to be a great forum community to discuss this franchise that we love so much, let's work from the ground up and make some changes as to moderator conduct and what warrants post closings, and not leave it up to a moderator that feels it should be closed because it is "nonsense."

I expect to be blocked from this forum after this post, which I would be very disheartened if that were to occur. I feel that this is a real issue that should be discussed amongst the MI6 Community at large.

Best wishes and happy holidays,
J
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Moderators have a thankless task, every action they take will please some and
    annoy others. Someone has to make the decisions. So far it's only my opinion
    but I think they do an even handed job, I haven't noticed any odd decisions,
    perhaps the term " Nonsense" was used to be kind and not go in to too much
    detail, in a long winded explanation ?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    The mods here are by and large very fair, and work tirelessly to keep it free of spam and unneeded duplicate threads that choke & diffuse discussions. They have a license to kill, but use it sparingly and with precision. I've had many threads closed because I was either in a rush to say what I wanted to blurt out, or I was posting to be personally gratified, not to engender a wider discussion. Chill dude, and enjoy this place despite not being able to have the freedom you could by starting your own website!
    Happy holidays! >:D<
  • edited December 2015 Posts: 1,296
    I see your post about possible future gay elements was called nonsense, when you were only one trying to have genuine conversation...

    I look at your page and your posts are good, so please don't leave because a moderator didn't like you. :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,187
    @joshdeese93

    There are, as stated by others, various reasons why threads are closed. I guess everyone at some point has had one of his or her threads closed. I myself, on our previous forum, found one of my threads closed because it was a duplicate and I hadn't yet figured out the simple way to search for existing threads. Well, friend, that should never be read as a sign of mods disliking you.

    Some topics are extremely sensitive. Gay elements in Bond films / books are best not brought up in separate threads. From experience we can safely say that a lot of members will either ridicule the thread very quickly, or start annoying fights in which no-one wants to yield. Same with religion, black Bond discussions and politics. To be frank, you have a better chance at getting a good discussion going for a few pages if you sneak this topic in via an already existing thread. Then still, expect some fire. Certain topics just raise the tension on this forum. Is that a good thing? No, because I too want to discuss pretty much everything related to Bond, I too prefer a "nothing is off limits" atmosphere, but I understand that such a thing isn't possible. Even the best of friends know that they can't call each others' girlfriend ugly; some things are simply too sensitive. I would have replied in your thread with reasonable points, but I'm still glad my fellow mods closed your thread(s). You were about to open Pandora's Box, josh, whether you know it or not. :-) I'm sorry.

    Furthermore, our forum is kept pretty clean and decent and many trolls and punks out there refuse to accept that. It happens a lot that a newbie walks in and starts opening up these insanely provocative threads, usually involving gay porn in Bond films or something similar. Over the years, those threads have become the colour red and we, mods, have become the bulls. I admit that when scrolling through the list of threads, the minute I spot something hinting at gay, black, female, ... Bond stuff, my heart rate goes up a thousandfold too. It's not a matter of prudish censorship but of wise anticipation. Too often have we given delicate topics the proverbial "chance"; too often have they polarized and incinerated the forum. I guess we have just grown more careful. Once again though, drop the question in an already existing thread more or less suited for the discussion, and you'll get away with it so much more. If things heat up again, the old "back on topic please" can fix everything and no threads must be closed.

    Please forgive us for sometimes being a bit rude when closing a thread. We don't run the show here, we merely keep the toilets clean and the waste bins empty. What we do, we do because we love this forum; we don't get paid for it. Thanks to all our members, who flag or who themselves steer threads back on topic or refer to existing threads in duplicate ones, we manage quite well. Things, however, get frustrating when after explaining, time and again, how to search for existing threads, why we don't like duplicates, why opening up new threads to discuss tiny little details from the world of Bond needlessly complicates things, members still pop one up every once in a while. So naturally, we respond. And sometimes, yes, out of frustration. But, as a veteran member you must never take that personally.

    Lastly, a lot of fuss can be avoided if people were to think twice before opening up a new thread. This forum has been alive for several years now. By now, the well of Bond has been all but exhausted in terms of threads on this forum. We have pretty much every possible discussion going on already. Only rarely does someone come up with a thread that makes us go, "great idea!". But we usually have to wait for another Bond film to come out anyway. Yet sometimes it seems that people want to create their own threads to increase their forum status or whatever. For some, it's the simple equivalent of hosting your private talk show on television. I don't know. But it explains why some respond furiously when their threads get closed down. Even if you shove up to 8 links to existing threads where the same thing is being discussed right under their digital nose, they still go nuts over the fact that their baby was taken away from them. It's often a matter of pride and of nothing else. I'm not saying that's the case with you, josh, but it often is. Still, if you'll forgive me, more than one fourth of your own posts at this point are opening posts in new threads, several of which got closed, I admit, but it still means that you post, on average, two or three comments in your own threads!, at the most (because no doubt you post in other threads too.) Please don't take this the wrong way - I'm merely using this as an example for all of us - but doesn't it mean that either you grow bored with your own threads fairly quickly or they simply don't generate the responses you were hoping for? It's a common thing though; people drop new threads left and right and move on themselves. Then, a month later, they create duplicates of their own threads because they have forgotten about the latter! Again, I'm not reprimanding you, just trying to make a point. Most folks around here are happy to just scroll through our available threads and post comments in those. But once or twice every year, they have a brilliant idea and then they make us all happy. Just look at the threads where we have passed the 1k mark versus the myriad of threads that hardly get passed half a page of discussion...

    Hopefully, this was useful.
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
    Posts: 2,667
    I thought the closure of the LGBTQ thread was unwarranted. It is a perfectly legitimate topic of discussion and something that has recurred in various guises throughout both the novels and the films.

    If certain people can't be trusted to talk about something maturely then you should censor them, not censor the whole topic.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    The trouble with such a topic is sadly it can't be discussed in a sensible manner. The opening post though too the point and with some basis for discussion was only going to incite responses that would lead to offended members. Sometimes its better to have one member wanting your blood, than ten or more screaming for a thread to be closed.
    I'm sorry if some of you find that heavy handed, but this is an internet forum. Grow some broad shoulders, cos the real world is not always so pleasant as spending a few hours here discussing our favourite fictional characters.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,266
    @Tokoloshe I think @Darth explained that above clearly enough. This is a world wide forum and those topics, however honest, are indeed the basis of fast-derailing mud-fests, sadly enough. Perhaps one day we'll grow up, worldwide. But for now we can't blame the hard working mods for preventing a lot of rubbish (that's putting it mildly) they themselves have to clean up. I've been around here and the previous forum for the last nine years, and have come to the same conclusion: racism, sexism, LGTB, religion. Those are the topics that will guarantee enormous piles of messes.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2015 Posts: 23,883
    Tokoloshe wrote: »
    If certain people can't be trusted to talk about something maturely then you should censor them, not censor the whole topic.
    Technically you're absolutely right imho, but it's probably just too difficult and impractical to police. Pity, but the discussion can still be had, just not as obviously - as has been mentioned above.

    What I take issue with is people having a go at others for their opinions on a film or an actor. I think that should be censored more closely, because when a member takes a shot at another member for their point of view, it inevitably becomes personal and creates ill will that can fester for some time.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I also think the term Queer, which may have been OK in the 50s. Is today
    Seen as a very nasty bit of terminology, used to insult the gay community.
    Very much in the same vein as the "N" word.
    So perhaps a bit more sensitivity in the use of language, may be helpful.
    As for the mods, " It's dirty work, but somebody's got to do it" that's why
    They get the big bucks, the groupies and the endless sex and drug parties. ;)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    Just about anything I wanted to say has already been covered. We're not singling you out, but as stated previously, certain topics cannot be discussed on here because they always turn nasty and rude. Yours was one of them; a downhill discussion that turns homophobic or spammy would be inevitable.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    All my 22 threads were closed down, but revenge is sweet...
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    As @DarthDimi said, we all have our threads closed at one point or another. Back on the old forum, when I joined, my first thread (iirc, was about the Delicatessen line from FYEO) was closed. Just don't take it personally, and move on.
    I also think the term Queer, which may have been OK in the 50s. Is today
    Seen as a very nasty bit of terminology, used to insult the gay community.
    Very much in the same vein as the "N" word.
    So perhaps a bit more sensitivity in the use of language, may be helpful.
    As for the mods, " It's dirty work, but somebody's got to do it" that's why
    They get the big bucks, the groupies and the endless sex and drug parties. ;)

    Have you been spying on us? :-?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    He lives in the hillside above your compound. Don t trust him.
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    not leave it up to a moderator that feels it should be closed because it is "nonsense."

    I must admit I found that comment offensive as it referred to your OP as well which was far from nonsense.

    It shouldn't be too much to ask for a bespoke LGBT thread for Gay Bond fans who may want to discuss such elements away from any derision elsewhere - sadly Bond fandom is noticeably less Gay friendly than other fan groups such as for Dr Who and Star Trek.


  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,282
    He lives in the hillside above your compound. Don t trust him.

    You make him sound like Colonel Sun (but in a good way).
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited December 2015 Posts: 45,489
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    He lives in the hillside above your compound. Don t trust him.

    You make him sound like Colonel Sun (but in a good way).

    In Oslo, I had an Italian colleague who used to live in the hillside above Berlusconi s compound. That was the inspiration. He watched Silvio and Putin having bunga bunga parties by the swimming pool, much like Gonzalez and friends.
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    I say, a big three cheers for the mods. This is a big forum with lots of strong and differing opinions. The contentious SP threads alone have been an eye opener for me as I wasn't here for SF.

    I think the task of moderating all the threads can be tough and thankless. No matter what choices they make, they will tick off some posters. Just cleaning up the spam, and trying to keep the redundant threads under control is tough enough, but to me, they moderate posts and posters with a light touch. It has to be a lot of work, and this forum is lucky to have them.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,282
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    He lives in the hillside above your compound. Don t trust him.

    You make him sound like Colonel Sun (but in a good way).

    In Oslo, I had an Italian colleague who used to live in the hillside above Berlusconi s compound. That was the inspiration. He watched Silvio and Putin having bunga bunga parties by the swimming pool, much like Gonzalez and friends.

    You have some interesting friends, pal.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    He lives in the hillside above your compound. Don t trust him.

    You make him sound like Colonel Sun (but in a good way).

    In Oslo, I had an Italian colleague who used to live in the hillside above Berlusconi s compound. That was the inspiration. He watched Silvio and Putin having bunga bunga parties by the swimming pool, much like Gonzalez and friends.

    You have some interesting friends, pal.

    The same friend converted to Islam to marry a muslim girl. Jebus!

    I still like him.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,187
    Thanks everyone for the support. And @joshdeese93, sorry if we came off rude, good sir, but I hope you understand our POV too. :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the support. And @joshdeese93, sorry if we came off rude, good sir, but I hope you understand our POV too. :)

    Damn straight!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2015 Posts: 23,883
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for the support. And @joshdeese93, sorry if we came off rude, good sir, but I hope you understand our POV too. :)

    Damn straight!
    :))
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    Way before I was a mod, when I was fresh to the site and didn't know anyone, I had quite a few threads closed, as well. Even looking back at some of the ones that weren't closed, I can't believe how pointless and irrelevant they were. So, don't take it personally. It happens to everyone.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    In my short time here I too have tried to be as pointless and irrelevant
    as possible. I glad to hear that's the first step on the career path to
    Modship. :D ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,187
    You got that all wrong. Failing upwards is what they do on a certain other forum. ;-)
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
    Posts: 3,144
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I can't help but thinking this is mostly my fault.
    Straight up ? (with a twist ! )
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I can't help but thinking this is mostly my fault.
    It's not all about you.
    It's MY fault.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    Birdleson wrote: »
    no one reacts to your mindless rantings.
    I'll have you know that I get made fun of on a regular basis. THAT is a reaction.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,804
    Birdleson wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    no one reacts to your mindless rantings.
    I'll have you know that I get made fun of on a regular basis. THAT is a reaction.

    Of course you are correct.
    THANK YOU.
    Wait.....
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,187
    Girls, girls, please. Enough with the bickering or the Mod Men will chain you and throw you in the dungeon.
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