Which Bond novel are you currently reading?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I'm listening to the audiobook of From Russia with Love and am liking it so far. Red Grant's lunar psychosis makes him just that little bit more colourful than the film version, which is interesting.

    It’s such a great and bizarre creation…

    Agreed, Red Grant was a serial killer in fiction long before that became fashionable. He was also the main serial killer in the literary Bond until David Dragonpol came along years later. :)

    Peter takes a side-glance @Dragonpol and inches away…. (Heart rate is up, perspiration dotting temples and dripping down from armpits….)………………..

    There's nothing to be frightened of. You're on the safe list. >:)

    …but for how long? 😳

    For life. 8-X

    … gulp… and the “after”?

    I'm there too. I should know. I've always been here.


    😂 😂 😂…



    …. you’re funny!!….


    You are joking…..




    Right????



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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I never joke about my work, @peter.

    😉
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    I never joke about my work, @peter.

    😉

    In the immortal words of Mr. Hinx:

    ……….

    Sh!t!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
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    I never joke about my work, @peter.

    😉

    In the immortal words of Mr. Hinx:

    ……….

    Sh!t!

    Problem elimination. It's a tough job but someone has to do it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
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    I never joke about my work, @peter.

    😉

    In the immortal words of Mr. Hinx:

    ……….

    Sh!t!

    Problem elimination. It's a tough job but someone has to do it.

    😂 too true 😂
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
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    I never joke about my work, @peter.

    😉

    In the immortal words of Mr. Hinx:

    ……….

    Sh!t!

    Problem elimination. It's a tough job but someone has to do it.

    😂 too true 😂

    With my CV there's no better man for the job. B-)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    During travel I started Double or Nothing for the second time, haven't fully read it yet.

    It's okay, but I got to a point and diverted to Gardner's Brokenclaw and it's much more engaging for me, I'm enjoying it.

    I hope you do finish Double or Nothing, at least just to say that you read it. I do like the use of an ensemble cast.

    I just finished License Renewed. A mixed bag, to say the least. There were A LOT of awkward moments. I don't know if it's because of some things going on in my personal life, or if I need a creative change, but this was hard to read at times. The pacing was off. After reading the Raymond Benson introduction, I am thankful he told IFP that he wanted to do more than a one off. No matter the quality of his Bond work. I also think that EON adapted more of LR than they care to admit. From Wikipedia:

    Some key plot elements in Licence Renewed may have had some influence on subsequent Bond films; most notably Anton Murik's plot of a nuclear disaster with the aid of an infamous terrorist which was the basis of The World Is Not Enough. Other key elements from Renewed that appeared in future Bond films were Anton's cheating at horse racing, which Max Zorin did in A View to a Kill, and the obsession with weapons, not unlike Brad Whitaker in The Living Daylights.

    I still give EON more and more credit for not taking the easy road and just adapting continuation novels. Overall, most series take time to find the right direction, and it seems that John Gardener and James Bond are no different to this usual situation. Also, I like the idea of a female Q. I just hope (and believe) that EON wouldn't be as awkward with the character(s) as John Gardener was with this idea!
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    Not sure how I would like to rank the novel though. It's hard to compete with a lot of the other novels. I think I might prefer Live and Let Die and Thunderball to OHMSS.

    All strong entries. I have to admit that the only two Bond films I consider "better" than their source novels are GF and OHMSS. The film of the latter made two crucial improvements: giving Tracy more scenes (including the one where Bond has to prove he cares for her, after Draco has revealed the lead to Blofeld), and having Tracy get captured by Blofeld, which ties together the book's two plots and gives Bond further motivation to destroy Piz Gloria and Blofeld.

    Having Bond and Blofeld meet face to face before Bond's escape from Piz Gloria was also a good idea, since it increased the antagonism between the two and allowed Blofeld to reveal his scheme afterward (instead of the much later reveal in the book, which would have slowed the film's pace). But it also meant eliminating the incredible suspense that follows Campbell's capture in the book, when Bond is preparing to escape on borrowed time.

    I find it very difficult to even compare the source novels and the films, because they are very much their own thing. If trying to make a comparison between the novel and the film though, I think the points you highlight here makes the film adaptation of OHMSS an improvement on the novel.

    If the novel lacked anything, it was these elements. The suspense following Campbell's capture was probably the highlight of the book for me.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Dr. No
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    I've finished Dr. No. I found it enjoyable, and I particularly liked having more of Honey, who I always thought was one of the better love-interests for Bond in the films. There's a bit more to her here in the book, and I particularly liked her superior wildlife knowledge having a payoff with Dr. No's crabby death-trap.
  • I'm reading DAF, and while it isn't the best, it probably is the novel with the most tradecraft and research in it. The diamond pipeline is drawn out with a high level of realism, and the front company is also very believable. Also we get Bond writing reports in the field, using a transposition code (based on the date to encipher them), watching the public for tails, and evading surveillance by entering shops and things like that. Just a shame that the plot doesn't really come up to more so far.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I'm reading DAF, and while it isn't the best, it probably is the novel with the most tradecraft and research in it. The diamond pipeline is drawn out with a high level of realism, and the front company is also very believable. Also we get Bond writing reports in the field, using a transposition code (based on the date to encipher them), watching the public for tails, and evading surveillance by entering shops and things like that. Just a shame that the plot doesn't really come up to more so far.

    And Tiffany Case, who have the best and most believable relationship with Bond so far.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Thunderball. I'm not a big fan of the film, I'm currently enjoying the book a lot more.
  • SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I'm reading DAF, and while it isn't the best, it probably is the novel with the most tradecraft and research in it. The diamond pipeline is drawn out with a high level of realism, and the front company is also very believable. Also we get Bond writing reports in the field, using a transposition code (based on the date to encipher them), watching the public for tails, and evading surveillance by entering shops and things like that. Just a shame that the plot doesn't really come up to more so far.

    And Tiffany Case, who have the best and most believable relationship with Bond so far.

    I haven't gotten that far mind you, but the relationship feels less believable that I expected. She sort of just sees him in the mirror and then goes to dinner with him (where Bond spends most of the chatting about the Spangled Mob) and then kisses him. I'd imagine thought their relationship gets better the more the story continues
  • Finished DAF, quite interesting as it has lot going for it but also not that much at the same time. It has probably Bond doing the most gunwork he's ever done, probably the most unarmed combat in the Fleming novels (ending with him throwing a man into a piano). Tiffany Case redeems herself a bit, and is probably the most capable and useful Bond girl (although her love for him does come a bit convenient). There's also a car chase with a two vs one and I believe Bond and Curneo's car goes on two wheel (inspiring the stunt?). Speaking of stunts, this is probably the most daring stunt Bond does, as he uses bedsheets to jump down to the side of the cruise ship and then take care of Wint and Kidd.

    I also enjoyed Bond in Vegas, with him looking on at disgust with the world in front of him often with a Vodka Martini. However the novel suffers from the problem that Bond's work is ineffective: he smuggles the diamonds, gets paid, learns a bit about the racket, but no tension rises as he doesn't discover anything else, and he doesn't have to do much else. There's a certain point where he decides to just sack it off and gamble more money (supposedly to draw them out) but him and Curneo agree that it's a useless ploy because Spang is so rich. Instead he just gets caught by a telegram from London saying Franks is in prison (which feels like a desperate grab at a plot device). I feel like this information would have been better suited coming out a bit earlier and have a bit of cat and mouse going on. With the plot device, the rest of the story just seems like needless filler for Bond to get to Vegas and negates some of the interesting research and setting work Fleming did about diamonds.

    The ABC/Rufus Saye/Jack Spang twist does feel a bit like something from a Gardner novel, and I also feel that he's a better villain than his brother but doesn't get enough screen time and also has a disappointing final confrontation with Bond.

    In the end, I can appreciate Diamonds a bit more, but still incredibly disappointing.
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    There's a certain point where he decides to just sack it off and gamble more money (supposedly to draw them out) but him and Curneo agree that it's a useless ploy because Spang is so rich. Instead he just gets caught by a telegram from London saying Franks is in prison (which feels like a desperate grab at a plot device). I feel like this information would have been better suited coming out a bit earlier and have a bit of cat and mouse going on. With the plot device, the rest of the story just seems like needless filler for Bond to get to Vegas and negates some of the interesting research and setting work Fleming did about diamonds.

    The ABC/Rufus Saye/Jack Spang twist does feel a bit like something from a Gardner novel, and I also feel that he's a better villain than his brother but doesn't get enough screen time and also has a disappointing final confrontation with Bond.

    I love how Bond becomes a lot more reckless when he gets to Vegas. Pretty much from the moment he steps off the plane he decides he's going to take a hit from a novelty oxygen mask/gets temporarily so high he doesn't realise one of the mobsters is taking his picture. Then there's him gambling with the Spang's money which really should be his downfall (as you said it could have used a bit more ironing out in terms of there being a cat and mouse element).
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    TMWTGG… I know it’s not polished, but I love this story from first page to last.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    TMWTGG… I know it’s not polished, but I love this story from first page to last.

    Me too, it's a great stripped back type of James Bond adventure.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    TMWTGG… I know it’s not polished, but I love this story from first page to last.

    Me too, it's a great stripped back type of James Bond adventure.

    Really is; I started yesterday, and I’ll finish it after my little work day today. Stripped back. Unique in the way Bond is reintroduced after his “death”, his “healing” and then being sent off to hunt down and kill Francisco Scaramanga.

    I’ve always wanted to see this novel done properly; update it, of course. Make it feel more exotic, but the idea that Bond hunts down the number one assassin in the world, someone who is meddling in world affairs (his golden bullets have changed the course of history more than once, in this hypothetical film), and this assignment being a kamikaze mission for 007– not even M thinks Bond will make it out alive. Throw in a ticking time bomb, like a peace treaty meeting between two conflicting nations, with Scaramanga hired to kill one of these leaders, prompting a war between the countries, and see where a script like this could lead…

    Or something…. I’d just love to see a real cat and mouse game between the best double O vs the best assassin which will lead to a climax of both men fighting to the death.

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    @Peter -- I’ve always wanted to see this novel done properly. There's a lot I wish had been done properly.

    Currently reading Dr. No.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Casino Royale
  • Just read Devil May Care again. If I wanted to wedge this book into my Bond canon, I guess the continuity gaffes and general passiveness of Bond could be put down to him still suffering from amnesia from the end of You Only Live Twice. But I've decided for the moment it doesn't fit the bill.

    It's quite well written, but the plotholes and in-universe factual errors don't leave me with that satisfied "That was an amazing story" feeling I get from say OHMSS or Moonraker or Dr No or Thunderball. I think the difference is Fleming managed to make his outlandish plots fit exactly into a real world with real physics and genuine people who reacted with fear, love, passion and excitement. Just take a read of the plane being hijacked in Thunderball. It feels like your are sitting in an actual RAF plane in the year 1959 flying over the Atlantic and to the Bahamas. Fleming describes the tension and atmosphere so bloody well. Same for the Piz Gloria clubhouse in OHMSS. He gives a fantastic essence of actually being there. Faulks got close to this with the Paris sections of DMC but failed to sustain for the last two thirds. Amis got it pretty bang on in CS. Horowitz did a pretty good job too. Gardner achieved a decent level of it in the first three he did.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Just read Devil May Care again. If I wanted to wedge this book into my Bond canon, I guess the continuity gaffes and general passiveness of Bond could be put down to him still suffering from amnesia from the end of You Only Live Twice. But I've decided for the moment it doesn't fit the bill.

    It's quite well written, but the plotholes and in-universe factual errors don't leave me with that satisfied "That was an amazing story" feeling I get from say OHMSS or Moonraker or Dr No or Thunderball. I think the difference is Fleming managed to make his outlandish plots fit exactly into a real world with real physics and genuine people who reacted with fear, love, passion and excitement. Just take a read of the plane being hijacked in Thunderball. It feels like your are sitting in an actual RAF plane in the year 1959 flying over the Atlantic and to the Bahamas. Fleming describes the tension and atmosphere so bloody well. Same for the Piz Gloria clubhouse in OHMSS. He gives a fantastic essence of actually being there. Faulks got close to this with the Paris sections of DMC but failed to sustain for the last two thirds. Amis got it pretty bang on in CS. Horowitz did a pretty good job too. Gardner achieved a decent level of it in the first three he did.

    I honestly feel that DMC should have followed Colonel Sun. Not just for honoring Fleming’s 100th birthday, but the 40th anniversary of CS. Continuity wouldn’t be a big issue. I’m happy we got the novel, but even happier that it was a one time thing for Faulks. His successor Bond authors had more interesting things to say with their books.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Listening to On Her Majesty's Secret Service, read by David Tennant.
  • Just read Octopussy and the Living Daylights. Octopussy wasn't as good as I remembered it, The Property of a Lady was quite interesting will a nice intelligence based plot and the Living Daylights serves as a nice contrast to For Your Eyes Only. 007 in NY just exists to be honest.
  • Moved on to High Time to Kill now, and Benson is both frustrating and also enjoyable: Benson's heavy-handedness in both the QOS references in the Governor chapter and Bond's hatred of Marquis (he says 3 times he doesn't like him, to the point of violence, he calls him a son of a bitch to M, and also quotes a girl and a fight on his tack against Marquis). And also there's an overuse of sarcasm and DAD-like wit. But also there are great descriptions of the technology, of the hotel in Brussels where Harding stays at, and of the RAF warehouse.

    Also, the Union I think has the worst qualities of a villainous organisation: it's both new and well-known about, which lowers its threat capacity.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Just started on the second book in the Moneypenny Diaries trilogy. I don't imagine it's anyone's favourite Bond novel but they make for a neat read and the epistolary style is a nice change of pace from a traditional thriller.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    You Only Live Twice
  • Nobody Lives Forever: it's pacey, interesting and fun, although a bit confusing. SPECTRE have a manhunt for him but they keep a guardian angel near him so they can eliminate competitors and get rid of the best men of big organisations and Bond in the same swoop.

    The line between who's who is what's confusing me a little bit. London gangsters get killed on Bond's ferry to Brussels, some German gets killed in a car bomb on Brussels roads, a New York gangster is killed in Switzerland in Bond's hotel and then the rest gets muddled.

    So after being briefed, Bond goes to Salzburg or somewhere near in Austria (I don't remember if he's going to see May or if he's still en route for Rome). Then the Union Corse try and fail to kill him in a car chase. SMERSH get involved next, kidnapping May and Moneypenny, and get a bent police officer to keep Bond. Surely this would break the "one man per organisation" rule? Or did Quinn (a traitor) falsely plant that bit of intelligence so Bond wouldn't suspect an organised team? Because the rule also limits the amount of danger SPECTRE can actually do to these groups (although maybe it was to lessen the workload on just one guardian angel).

    Anyway, in an Austrian hotel, Bond gets attacked with a vampire bat (we learn from SPECTRE's guardian angel) but this also makes no sense. The guardian angel has pretty much 24/7 access of 007 and could surely use a better method of death that would be "under the radar." I suppose that this is similar to the Dr. No attempted murders.

    So then SMERSH send Moneypenny and May off to Paris and plan to do the same with Bond, saying that SPECTRE mandate that the death must be in Paris, Berlin or London. But that doesn't make much sense either because the Union Corse were shooting to kill on the roads in Austria and that also makes the bat attack even more nonsensical. SMERSH also order for Bond to keep the two girls, which would make sense if they were SPECTRE and wanted to keep the guardian angel with Bond. But two women, who could potentially help Bond fight off any capture would be regarded warily by SMERSH and I don't know why they would be kept (wouldn't even serve as leverage for interrogation because Bond's death is imminent anyway).

    Bond attacks the SMERSH base in Salzburg revealing that the Rome station chief is actually a defector. Bond enters and ties up Quinn (leaving him alive to keep up radio traffic), before leaving him with the doctor of the clinic, who he believes was being tortured but who actually is a part-time SMERSH agent. Quinn explains that the Dr was kept in torture gear due to suspicion that Bond would raid the base. But then surely it would make sense for Quinn to remain hidden so Bond doesn't detect the betrayal? And even so, the doctor still speaks as if he's a man in captivity, mentioning fears over being killed for what he's seen.

    The climax is lovely, but also confusing and disappointing in equal measures. Bond magically, in addition to a Q-branch belt, has a Q-branch waistband as well which helps him get out, instead of something more ingenious (maybe while checking in on Moneypenny she gives him a magnesium hairclip so Bond can pick the lock and then light it to cause a distraction).

    I also don't understand how May and Moneypenny are now in the captivity of SPECTRE. Did SMERSH send them over after flubbing their own chances? Did they send them over early for release? Or maybe for Bond to see them after his capture? That bit doesn't make sense at all.

    In general, its a great novel, probably in the top 5 of all continuation novels, and has the Fleming Sweep that few other continuation novels have. The plot is interesting without need for a lot of exposition and probably one of the only times where the double crosses add to the story and don't subtract from them. The issues are only small and don't really get in the way of a very enjoyable read.
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