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And finally, "despising users" because you disagree with thier opinion is retarded, I can't see you becoming too popular around here, keep this up and most people will have you down as a troll which they should ignore.
Brosnan laughs at you hating him from his mansion with his millions of $£$£$.
It remiinds me of Othello where Iago slowly insinuates Desdemonas infidelity until Othello goes over paranoid and destroys himself. He plays on his paranoia.
Thats why I love it. There are adult themes. And alot of the Bond villains must have been paranoid. Blofeld executed people to remain in control. Fear is a way of binding people to you.
I personally really enjoy LTK. It's a great film IMO and Dalton is excellent in it, but it needed to have a few more elements of class added in to really make it one of the better Bond films like TLD was.
The budget was frozen for LTK. Thats why they had to go to Mexico City. The cost of film making trebled but UA kept to the same budget. The same budget as AVTAK and TLD.
Maybe Churubusco studios didnt have the polish of Pinewood but there are some some stunning visuals ie Sanchezs' palatial home on Isthmus Bay.
I find the strong story negates any quibbles.
Not wrong, just a difference of opinion. I kind of agree with thelivingroyal, though I'd put Lazenby ahead of Brosnan (only one film to go on, but had he continued I think he would have made a great Bond).
Some of the dialogue is awkwardly out of place for a Bond movie:
"I don't like it you can finger me"
"Chainsaw my ass"
"watch the birdie you bastard"
Can anyone really imagine Fleming writing dialogue like that?
Yes I can actually. Fleming wrote in the American idiom for his American characters. Probably one of the first popular English writers the do it.
Can't really imagine Sharky (a brash American) talking any other way, "A Chainsaw, old man, I don't think so!" Doesn't really work.
I think LTK is a great Bond film, one that at the time was very different and has become more popular over the years. For me Dalton is the best, just narrowly beating Big Sean. Shame he only made two films.
Othello was done with a bit more panache though.
Effectively the tone is just "Bond's mad and he's going to get even".
Seriously, watch LTK after OHMSS and you'll see what I mean. It's good but it feels more like an "80s thriller" than Bond. As Desmond Llewlyn said "it lacked style".It's not a particularly indulgent film. Even the YOLT book where Bond also seeks revenge has more class and eligance.
No, the story is "Bond's mad because his best friend has been hurt and his friends wife killed, and now he's going to get even, by (after a failed assassination attempt) infiltrating the organisation of an insane and incredibly dangerous drug dealer, earning his trust and destroying his operation from the inside"
Well, isnt Hamlet? Hamlet's ,mad after seeing his uncle kill his father and he is going to get even?
You can whittle down any story to a soundbite.
Shall I try it for DAD?
But, like you said, can't every Bond film or any action film, for that matter, be whittled down to a revenge film, or at least a film with a revenge-driven aspect to a point? I believe so.
It's just the "overly 80s" feel to the film bothers me a bit. At least FYEO, OP, AVTAK and TLD had more of a "Bond-esque" way about then. They had more charm about them.
I believe the expression is: "stating the obvious". ;-)
I don't agree. :((
I'd say it's the other way around. I mean LTK is a good action film and all, but DAD is IMO a really good way to modernize the Moore movies. A really good film IMO.
But as for the final ending scene where Bond is celebrating at the end with Lupe and Pam,then Bond chooses Pam and it ends with them in the pool kissing was a calm, happy and relaxing ending that I cannot compare to any other bond film. Perhaps its that 80's feeling or something, but I really liked the final scene.
Really? I think that the trucker chase is very good and the stuntmen did an incredible job. The wheelie part was ingenious IMO.
I totally disagree with your arguments. LTK is a damned good film. It is not respected (and I don't see why) among some of my colleagues on this discussion board. But I for one enjoyed both of Dalton's films. Even on his worst day (maybe his attempts at light humor in TLD) he is heads over shoulders better than Brosnan.
That being said, LTK scores on all fronts:
the villian is a physical match for Bond
the cold brooding moody killer that Bond is played well in this entry
The chicks were both 'hot'.
Sanchez's henchmen were not the big buff rugby players(and blond) we usually see but some physically small and violent drug dealers. This gallery of rogues may have been slightly built but they were cold blooded and violent killers. the type you find in most drug cartels. This film is probablty the most meticulously casted film in a long, long time.
The stunts were good and the underwater battle rivals the action in Thunderball...
The rogue agent was played to outstanding effect in this film and it was good to see old Q out of his shop and being a field agent.
the Violence (many good guys die in this one-gritty realism) was right on and the brutal deaths of the bad guys was well deserved. Krest, Dario, Heller, Lodge, and Sanchez.
I felt drained after this movie but fully satisfied.
I find it amusing that some people describe it as a serious thriller, which I suppose on some levels it is. And yet, the underwater fight and Bond's escape is so OTT and typical of (frankly) a Roger Moore era film, that I cannot really accept this view of LTK. The thing is, as much as I enjoy an excellent, serious thriller, this is never what I really look for in a Bond film. Yes, there has to be an element of seriousness to it. I have never been a fan of too many one liners or visual gags. But overall, a Bond film is not and should not be too serious an affair. If it is, it loses its charm and what actually makes it unique and distinguishable from other action/thrillers.
LTK has enough Bondian elements in it to still feel like a Bond movie, but it ran dangerously close to losing its identity. I have no doubt that had Dalton made a third film, it would have taken a totally different approach and brought back a much more light hearted tone. If even Dalts himself felt the whole LTK outing was a bit dour, then the series would probably have swung back to more familiar ground for the next film. Since Dalton didn't actually see the LTK script until ten days before filming, it is fairly clear that the darker tone of LTK is less to do with Dalton himself than a decision by the producers to go down a darker route. Dalton's performance in TLD and willingness to do daft Moore-esque sight gags like the magic carpet shows that he is much less of the brooding, 'dark' Bond that he is often made out to be.
Come to think of it, there are fishing references all over this film, from Bond's "Let's go fishing!" in the PTS to the winking fish at the end. Perhaps it should have been called Licence to Fish.
WATCH OHMSS AND LTK TOGETHER TO SEE HOW A BOND MOVIE SHOULD BE DONE.
;)
As a thriller it's pretty good but as a Bond movie it falls short. It's hardcore supporters can big it up but, truth is, it probably damaged the series more than we like to think.
You were bitten off by a shark ? o_O Or you're just supposing?
TLD is definitely better.
CR is a "different take" but it has charm, wit and panache. The locations and cinematography are stunning, the humour is toned down but still plentiful and the story and tone still fit the "Bond mould".
Dalton apparently prefers it.
That it interesting. Would that be based on his self aprasial on his own performance or the movie as a whole I wonder? I feel he gave a more assured performance in LTK.
"I thought it had a good story but it was too dour" confided Dalton who prefers The Living Daylights. "Of course it was first called Licence Revoked but MGM didn't think anyone would understand it...It had that one theme of revenge. And it had a go at establishing a different kind of Bond but it dragged it away completely. Why can't you have both - seriousness and droll, cynical wit?"
Thanks for that excellent quote BAIN. Very interesting. Some of those who claim LTK and the super serious DC films are the way forward would do well to read this comment. Another reminder as well that Dalton was not the driving force behind the darker tone of LTK. DC recently made some surprisingly similar statements about the lack of wit in QoS and (it seemed to me) CR.
I think Dalton definitely wanted to make Bond more serious but, at the same time, make them escapist adventures with eligance - like the books were. The problem with Kill is that it looses a lot of the latter.