The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • Hey, at least the kitty's got the sense to get outta there. Poor foolish human is sitting there & absorbing it all. Would that more people were as smart as that cat!
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    That is asked too much, because animals/cats go by instinct, which is something people have been robbed of a long time ago. Now all they can do is rely on their poor brainwashed (by media and co) cells in their head. Not a good direction to follow AT ALL! Waking up would be the way.

    But then again, why would they? With the Olympics and Pokemon Go given to them so freely and oh so well meant, even those last cells are occupied with the games given by those, who don't want them to wake up and finally SEE! Infiltrate a whole generation with Handys and co and you will have lambs follwing every direction, you give them. You have created a species, who has forgotten, they have the tools to think for themselves. That is deadly. More deadly, then any Trump or Clinton can be, because THAT allows them to BE!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I must agree with the German here.
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    I wonder, how nothing of this, of which the net is full, is discussed here.


    Even the serious channel start to report on it. A sick woman standing for a sick system, which can't hide its lies anymore - well, hopefully in time.

    Everything Trump may be and that is a lot of dangerous things, but HE is NOT a marionette as she is of the old system of deadly wars and intrigue, that never looks after peoples interests, just their own. He at least is more of his own man, with own money, which will be bad enough, but not as bad, I believe now.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    There is a lot - a ton - of info about Clinton that is false, downright lies, manipulated, or at least misleading. Including many videos.

    Trump is a serious threat to our country. There is no way he should be looked upon as a good counterpoint to the current system. Being free to be himself may look oddly refreshing, but citizens need to look clearly at his words, his actions, and what he says he will or will not do. And that leaves no comparison.

    We have Clinton or Trump to vote for. Even if you would like a less corrupt system, and changes to be made, work for that, speak up for that - but still, the only reasonable vote is for Hillary Clinton. She is not nearly as dangerous as Trump. She can work within the system. We can do our best to improve our political system, but voting for Trump is definitely not the way to do it.

    Just my opinion, but I feel that very strongly. The appeal of someone "bucking the system" or "daring to be different" is a keen one, and something that appeals to many Americans, too. But we must look at this whole picture, the possible outcomes, very clear-eyed.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    One thing I often hear is that Trump isn t qualified. How is that?
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    There is no problem with a business person running for the presidency. Any business. Or an educator. I think American people are open to someone who is not already entrenched in the political system. But Trump has not shown himself to be qualified due to his own words and actions. He has not shown any detailed policy plans, fleshed out his ideas with details, that have any reasonable likelihood of coming to fruition or of having a positive consequence for our country.

    Aside from that, his personal bigotry and reckless temperament are astoundingly bad for a president of the United States. Those things alone disqualify him in my opinion. There have been plenty of people speaking up about why he is not qualified, but I am trying to say succinctly for you: his business acumen is not as great as he pretends it is (which is coming out more and more), his ideas and policies are not fleshed out for people to see clearly how he would implement them (all big ideas no reality attached) and his very unAmerican leanings of racism and bigotry are things he proudly displays and actually pushes foward. Those are the strongest markers, @Thunderfinger, that I believe many people would say disqualify him.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    One thing I often hear is that Trump isn t qualified. How is that?

    Have you actually paid attention to him? His multitude of bankruptcies alone show that he doesn't know how to lead.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I will post a few links. If you care to read more, please do; your choice, as always.

    I am not going to say that Trump's bigotry does not matter. It does. And keep in mind, our country was founded on immigrants (though of course the first true Americans are the native American Indians). We have proudly called ourselves "a melting pot" for decades. On the upswing of noticeable bigotry being pushed forward, some people thinking now this is more acceptable and who are influenced because of Trump's campaign (his words, attitudes, and his campaign associates' words, attitudes, etc.)
    This is not a small thing. And the bigotry we see spilling out is not what the majority of Americans agree with. But it is part of what Trump has, and is, bringing to his presidential campaign:


    This report looks at what is happening now in schools and communities and says in part:

    The center issued a report documenting how Trump’s venom has poisoned schools across the country. It quoted a North Carolina teacher as saying she has “Latino students who carry their birth certificates and Social Security cards to school because they are afraid they will be deported.” Another teacher reported that a fifth grader told a Muslim student “that he was supporting Donald Trump because he was going to kill all of the Muslims if he became president!”

    Here in the Forest Grove area, west of Portland, students of Mexican heritage at four high schools — most of them born in the United States — described to me how some local whites take cues from Trump.

    “They say, ‘We’re going to deport your ass,’” said Melina McGlothen, 17, whose mother is Mexican. “I don’t want to say I hate them, but I hate their stupidity.”
    *************************

    And an article in The Guardian which gives examples. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/12/donald-trump-achilles-heel-truly-un-american
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    This message from a lifelong Republican may help explain a bit why many people, and an unusual number of Republicans and conservatives, consider Trump not qualified to be president. This is rather well written, I think. Just one person's opinion but I think this one reflects what many people are thinking and feel about Donald Trump. The author writes this from the point of view of being a successful business leader himself, as well as from a military family.

    via tweet, so you can definitely read it when clicking on the link in the tweet


    and also direct from the Washington Post
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ive-always-voted-republican-until-now/2016/08/17/03a1b970-622d-11e6-96c0-37533479f3f5_story.html?utm_term=.24949d07512c
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    As for the health of both Trump and Clinton, please do take a look at this and read it. It mentions videos and false claims.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/aug/16/what-we-know-about-health-donald-trump-and-hillary/
  • One thing I often hear is that Trump isn t qualified. How is that?

    Have you actually paid attention to him? His multitude of bankruptcies alone show that he doesn't know how to lead.

    It's not just the bankruptcies for me -- it's the multiple times that he's flat-out refused to pay the contractors that have worked on his hotels & casinos. How can you believe that someone who's stiffed his workers over & over & over again is going to have the best interests of the American working stiff at heart?
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    How can you believe that someone who's stiffed his workers over & over & over again is going to have the best interests of the American working stiff at heart?

    Because he has the best words. And because he hears things and gets his news from the shows. Believe me.

    ;)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    One thing I often hear is that Trump isn t qualified. How is that?

    Have you actually paid attention to him? His multitude of bankruptcies alone show that he doesn't know how to lead.

    It's not just the bankruptcies for me -- it's the multiple times that he's flat-out refused to pay the contractors that have worked on his hotels & casinos. How can you believe that someone who's stiffed his workers over & over & over again is going to have the best interests of the American working stiff at heart?

    Exactly. The man just cannot lead our country, not unless we want the Great Depression to return. And people want him in charge, and I just don't understand it. All he's proven is how wrong he is for the job, and people want that.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 11,119
    Germanlady wrote: »
    I wonder, how nothing of this, of which the net is full, is discussed here.


    Even the serious channel start to report on it. A sick woman standing for a sick system, which can't hide its lies anymore - well, hopefully in time.

    Everything Trump may be and that is a lot of dangerous things, but HE is NOT a marionette as she is of the old system of deadly wars and intrigue, that never looks after peoples interests, just their own. He at least is more of his own man, with own money, which will be bad enough, but not as bad, I believe now.

    What kind of system are you actually talking about man (woman). Isn't it Trump who betrayed many contractors during the construction of the Atlantic City casino? Not to mention many other casino's? Isn't it Trump who destroys Scottish farmers for the way he is forcefully building a huge Scottish golf resort?

    I think you forget one big thing here @Germanlady. We ALL are part of a much more complex system...than just politics alone. It seems that these days everyone outside politics can receive a big thumbs up, no matter if it's a sham of a businessman. And I find that dangerous.

    I also regret how you attack Hillary's health, when Trump is the same age, and he's suffering from something much more severe: insanity. You know, Roosevelt wasn't mocked for his disability. So let's not do this with Giffords....or Hillary. Trump has got the power to change his behaviour, but some others don't.

    Lastly, when someone posts stuff of some other insane conspiracy thinker, or unemployed farmer who thinks he's the next best Carl Bernstein, I get doubts. To put it mildly.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Here is Scientific American magazine on Trump's refuting of science ....

    and also
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/donald-trump-s-lack-of-respect-for-science-is-alarming/?wt.mc=SA_Twitter-Share

    In part it says:

    The current presidential race, however, is something special. It takes antiscience to previously unexplored terrain. When the major Republican candidate for president has tweeted that global warming is a Chinese plot, threatens to dismantle a climate agreement 20 years in the making and to eliminate an agency that enforces clean air and water regulations, and speaks passionately about a link between vaccines and autism that was utterly discredited years ago, we can only hope that there is nowhere to go but up.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Interesting, @4EverBonded! :)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Now on teleprompter again, with prepared remarks,


    Trump is now trying to express "regret" for first time.


    Keep in mind, he does not always, consistently tell the truth, contrary to his last sentence. But he has never expressed regret before at all.


    Always before it was this:

    And indeed just 3 days ago:
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    This one is for @4EverBonded and special training in the bushes around Mt. Hood. A Henry's always settles all arguments.

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Trump flip-flops more than an insomniac in bed.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    :) Cheers! And thanks, @FLeiter and @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 (whose username I have to copy as I am too lazy to type it all!)
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited August 2016 Posts: 12,480
    He's too honest. Think on that.


    And again going off on things he previously is on record supporting ...
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    People continue making fun of Donald Trump. Well, personally, I don't think it's funny anymore. There are times I am longing for the quiet, effective politics from some decades ago. And while some people in here keep supporting Trump, they never ask themselves how the USA would like like under a Trump presidency.

    The fact Trump got as far as he got, frightens me.
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    what sort of democracy is when millionaires and billionaires can only become president, where the size of your state equates to god knows what - and the most powerful nation in the world, who dictate global economics and policy, has 70% of the population who don't own a passport and have never seen the sea? and...a state created to get away from religious bigotry and hate is now running presidential campaigns on religious bigotry and hate.

    and...we've had a bush dynasty and now we are going to have a clinton dynasty, what's the hell is wrong with you people? is that democracy or a neo con republic run by the federal reserve bank - a private banking system owned and run by the global elite eh? And...the two presidents who wanted a USA owned non-interest currency - guess what they were shot dead...
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    Sanchairs wrote: »
    what sort of democracy is when millionaires and billionaires can only become president, where the size of your state equates to god knows what - and the most powerful nation in the world, who dictate global economics and policy, has 70% of the population who don't own a passport and have never seen the sea? and...a state created to get away from religious bigotry and hate is now running presidential campaigns on religious bigotry and hate.

    and...we've had a bush dynasty and now we are going to have a clinton dynasty, what's the hell is wrong with you people? is that democracy or a neo con republic run by the federal reserve bank - a private banking system owned and run by the global elite eh? And...the two presidents who wanted a USA owned non-interest currency - guess what they were shot dead...

    Ask yourself this: Do you want the current American democracy? Or do you want an autoritarian police state ruled by madmen like Putin and Erdogan.

    I think democracy has always been suffering from decline when more profound long-term economical and financial decline was on the rise. Fact. Look at the German Weimar Republic. People eventually got angry too and basically used the system to elect even more questionable and dangerous people than the current elected officials.

    You can piss on the current democracy, but do not forget that both Trump AND Clinton were elected with the current Democratic rules on hand. PEOPLE had the power to overwhelmingly choose O'Malley or Sanders during the primaries: They didn't. People had the chance to vote for Kasich during the primaries. They did not.

    Conclusion: Democracy is the best of many flawed systems. Democracy is merely an instrument. But it helps if the people living in democracies educate themselves better and start fingerpointing to themselves first instead of fingerpointing to others.
  • Sanchairs wrote: »
    ...a state created to get away from religious bigotry and hate is now running presidential campaigns on religious bigotry and hate.

    And...the two presidents who wanted a USA owned non-interest currency - guess what they were shot dead...

    @Sanchairs, please forgive me taking out the passages I want to respond to, and deleting the rest. I do it for reasons of clarity, not to change the context of what you've said.

    "campaigns on religious bigotry and hate." Singular, please, not plural. Many of Trump's opponents (including members of the Republican party) have stated quite firmly that his stoking the flames of hatred is un-American. Give us a few months & we'll dispose of him, still, the system has to run its natural course. That's the sort of democracy we're running, since you asked.

    "two presidents who wanted a USA owned non-interest currency..." I suppose you're talking about Linclon and Kennedy. Please provide us with some quotes to back up your assertion here, I'm not aware of Lincoln's plans for US currency in the post-Civil War era.

    And re: dynasties: I'm not aware of any objections to the Presidencies of John Adams and John Quincy Adams based solely on that particular topic. My objection to the reign of George the Lesser has more to do with the disastrous decisions he made, than with the question of who his father happened to be. And the presidency of Bill Clinton was characterized by relative peace and prosperity when compared with that of G.W. Bush. I wouldn't mind a return to Clinton-era economics if we could get back there again.
  • People continue making fun of Donald Trump. Well, personally, I don't think it's funny anymore. There are times I am longing for the quiet, effective politics from some decades ago. And while some people in here keep supporting Trump, they never ask themselves how the USA would like like under a Trump presidency.

    The fact Trump got as far as he got, frightens me.

    @Gustav: sometimes we laugh so that we will not have to cry. Try not to worry, my friend -- it'll take a few more month but I think we've got this one covered. Not that we underestimate Trump, not at all -- but ridicule was his chief weapon against Jeb, Marco, and most of his opponents for the Republican nomination. We've just taken that weapon out of his hands and are using it against him.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 6,601
    They are both very bad as leaders, but its what America got itself into. Hilary clearly has a health problem and it will - hopefully - lead to her giving up the running or people finally make her. I was all for her at the start but looking into the matters, I changed my mind. She is worse, BECAUSE she is the nice little marionette for those, who pull the strings. Does anybody here actually believe, their presidents are allowed to have a mind of their own? Really? No, they are not. Your country as well as mine and the rest are ruled by those, we don't even see or really know. We all pay and vote for THEIR interests, not ours. That's what I meant with people need to wake up. We have allowed them to maniopulate all of us to the point, where we are nothing but sheep, a herd following their every order without realising that. Yiu want truth? Find it in the net. Enough journalists and reporters and others are fed up with having to report lies and are trying to give us SOME truth on matter. The media almost never repirts the truth, they report what they are ordered to, which again reflects the interests of those few. America is in a deep mess and as so often, tries to lead the country into war to lead their sheep into a direction, where they are not concentrating on their own problems, but on war. Plus war is always lucrative. America is close to breaking down. Don't you see it? And with Hilary they have a save horse to obey their every wish. Trump not so much. That's the one point, that is in his advantage. If you don't believe the health scare, watch the vids. You don't believe your own eyes? Like I said, the more serious channels report on it, too, now.

    ..and Putin is a mad man? He is the one sane person right now. Never thought, I would say that. I am not saying, he all of a sudden became a good man, but right now, we can be grateful for his calm. America is trying to force war on him, bringing troops in for months now. Lets hope, he continues to show them his middle finger and stays calm. It will solve itsself, if he just gives it time.
  • Germanlady wrote: »
    ..and Putin is a mad man? He is the one sane person right now. Never thought, I would say that. I am not saying, he all of a sudden became a good man, but right now, we can be grateful for his calm. America is trying to force war on him, bringing troops in for months now. Lets hope, he continues to show them his middle finger and stays calm. It will solve itsself, if he just gives it time.

    I'm ignoring your comments on Hillary's health because that's all the attention they deserve. You've been listening to lies, @GL. Even Newt Gingrich says as much. The video you linked to above lost me when its' narrator called Hillary a narcissist. That's Trump's attempt at saying "I'm paper, you're glue..."

    Please explain to us HOW EXACTLY America is trying to force war on Putin. No one here has said that Putin is insane. Evil, yes. Insane, no. "Let's hope he continues to show them his middle finger"? Them is us, GL. And I don't know what that finger means to you, but to us it's an obscene gesture. Thanks ever so much for your kind wishes.

    Putin is "staying calm" because he's got his hooks into the Republican nominee big time and he's playing him like a deep sea fisherman trying to land a big fish. Sorry, Vlad, but your buddy Donnie just ain't gonna be President of the US, partly because he's so obviously your puppet.
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    Sanchairs wrote: »
    ...a state created to get away from religious bigotry and hate is now running presidential campaigns on religious bigotry and hate.

    And...the two presidents who wanted a USA owned non-interest currency - guess what they were shot dead...

    @Sanchairs, please forgive me taking out the passages I want to respond to, and deleting the rest. I do it for reasons of clarity, not to change the context of what you've said.

    "campaigns on religious bigotry and hate." Singular, please, not plural. Many of Trump's opponents (including members of the Republican party) have stated quite firmly that his stoking the flames of hatred is un-American. Give us a few months & we'll dispose of him, still, the system has to run its natural course. That's the sort of democracy we're running, since you asked.

    "two presidents who wanted a USA owned non-interest currency..." I suppose you're talking about Linclon and Kennedy. Please provide us with some quotes to back up your assertion here, I'm not aware of Lincoln's plans for US currency in the post-Civil War era.

    And re: dynasties: I'm not aware of any objections to the Presidencies of John Adams and John Quincy Adams based solely on that particular topic. My objection to the reign of George the Lesser has more to do with the disastrous decisions he made, than with the question of who his father happened to be. And the presidency of Bill Clinton was characterized by relative peace and prosperity when compared with that of G.W. Bush. I wouldn't mind a return to Clinton-era economics if we could get back there again.


    Picking on grammar, really? Boring. Bush dynasty - Great Grand Pappy Bush - who built his fortune with Nazi gold started it - Not aware of Lincoln - perhaps do a bit of digging around - it is common knowledge. Clinton-era of economics was dictated by the Federal Reserve, it has always been dictated by the Federal reserve. Come on, you can't like a banking system that your govt has to pay interest on every dollar printed to a private institution - come on, that is not right - no american citizen has ever voted for that, it was brought in by european bankers...

    I watched the latest Purge film and it is so close to reality, too scary. Trump is running a campaign on hate & violence and the good ol' boys are buying into it, Clinton is running a campaign to appeal to her financial backers not the people. Whoever wins will service the needs of the banks and the people who backed their campaigns. The democratic process in the US is a joke...
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