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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    As I said, the polls will be inaccurate, so the suspense will be thrilling into the final stretch on election day.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2016 Posts: 12,480
    A little levity ... though the original Trump poster didn't realize he was being amusing


    and on perspective (not levity):


    http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:bafd94ca59cd46319da6f8089645f71e
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I think it's genuinely both funny & scary that it takes Trump stating that he can grab a woman by the pussy to generate this kind of negative reaction to him. He's been this piece of shit from day one.
  • Comte_de_BleuchampComte_de_Bleuchamp
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    Troy wrote: »
    I still don't get this.

    US citizens are voting for the leader of the western world, whose polices affect most people on the planet.

    Over the last 20 years we have seen the rule of the Neocons, who have increasingly centralized power and money towards a global elite. Enriching themselves, through political corruption, they caused a wake of wars, mass migration, and debt crisis.

    Hilary Clinton is a continuation candidate. Trump appears to be something else.

    I cannot understand why people are not debating the important issues, but care worrying about first-world problems of how rude Trump is.

    This to me is the tyranny of the internet. We are all human and make mistakes. And the the ruling elite use this to trash anyone who stands up to them.

    I still haven't seen on this forum any rational discussion of why trump will be a disaster

    Spot on. The west has been brought to the edge of destruction by so called 'moderates'.

    @chrisisall Aren't you the guy who said that racism is to blame for the amount of crime committed by African Americans? You are bigoted.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Comte_de_Bleuchamp wrote: »

    @chrisisall Aren't you the guy who said that racism is to blame for the amount of crime committed by African Americans? You are bigoted.
    Not me. Whites commit more crimes than blacks. Racism plays into killing & incarcerating African Americans at a higher percentage than Caucasians. Native Americans even higher....
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It seems like on the whole, Republicans were fully ready to accept and support Trump for the good of the party and coast him into office just to reclaim it, but now that he appears to be a dud, they're deciding it's time to punch his ticket and save face while they still can.

    If anything, for all of time Trump will serve as the perfect example of one of my favorite quotes of all time, from Pulp Fiction, no less:

    "Just because you are a character doesn't mean that you have character."

    Fits Ol' Don to a "T."
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Bush Sr. is behind this leak.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    :-O
  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited October 2016 Posts: 1,661
    I can't recall a presidential election as muckraking and negative as this! The game-changer moment here is we're finding out about the candidates seedy pasts before they enter the White House. In the past you had to wait until they won before you found out what they had done in the past! There was no internet when Bill Clinton won. Just imagine what stuff may have gone online had the internet been around in 1992. He may not have won the election.

    I think Trump won't win, the "grab them by the pussy" remark would appear to be crossing over a line that you can't come back from. I can't imagine enough US voters can dismiss that comment. And it's interesting to look at Trump's comments in the light of recent UK celeb sex crimes - Jimmy Savile, Rolf Harris, Max Clifford etc. There is a charge of rape against Trump:
    Federal Judge Ronnie Abrams has ordered a December status conference hearing after a woman, who calls herself “Jane Doe,” filed a lawsuit claiming that Trump raped her when she was 13 years old in the 1990s. This is the third attempt the plaintiff has made in filing this particular lawsuit. Last Friday, she filed an amended complaint, with a new “witness” named “Joan Doe.” The plaintiff and witnesses in the case are using pseudonyms, they say, to protect their identities.

    “In the 1994-95 school year, I was told by the plaintiff in Jane Doe v. Trump and Epstein (1:16-cv-04642, SDNY) that the plaintiff was subject to sexual contact by the Defendants at parties in New York City during the summer of 1994,” one of the witnesses said in a declaration.

    Even if Trump were to win and become US president I think there would be too many people out to stop him reaching a full term in office! If the rape allegation went to trial Trump would be in serious trouble. And Robert De Niro doesn't like him neither!
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,119
    I think it's over. I mean, Paul Ryan, Kelly Ayotte and John McCain may have unendorsed Trump. And the GOP Party chief Mr Priebus at first may want to inject more campaign money into 'down the ticket' races.

    But at the same other GOP members, like Ben Carson and GOP-senator Rand Paul, are still staunchly supporting Trump. So evidently this causes one giant rift in the Republican Party. There was a short moment when most of the GOP-officials, including Paul Ryan and John McCain, were supporting Trump. But that has been violently undone by 'Pussygate'.

    And I think this article sells it:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3828811/Trump-supporters-PROTEST-Paul-Ryan-speech-Wisconsin-booing-chanting-Donald-s-Speaker-uninvited-nominee-shocking-hot-mic-remarks.html

    So, what will happen now? I can't see Trump becoming president anymore. The GOP is one giant mess. And Trump only makes that mess bigger and dirtier.

    And it frightens me that still a lot of 'conspiracy deplorables' like this Mark Dice still support Donald Trump:
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    I think it's over. I mean, Paul Ryan, Kelly Ayotte and John McCain may have unendorsed Trump.
    There is only one thing I can assure you of. It's most certainly not over.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    I think it's over. I mean, Paul Ryan, Kelly Ayotte and John McCain may have unendorsed Trump.
    There is only one thing I can assure you of. It's most certainly not over.

    Says someone who prefers Trump over Clinton. Even at this stage :-).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    I do. So do many others who are not senators and congressmen.

    Understand that some are in elections, and others are not, but have to appeal to constituencies that are conservative. These are not comments that anyone can defend, and so it's appropriate and correct that they come out and condemn them. The 'un-endorsement' is a political calculation for some, and a heart felt opinion for others. It will have an impact on the margin, but as I said in a prior post, this is all about base turnout because those on the fence at this late stage are unlikely to be all that motivated to get out and vote. This is a gutter election appealing to the base of both parties. The Trump card is the crossover coming from the Trumpites to compensate for some conservative loss.

    For the record, here are my preferences in past elections (some are based on prior studies of the issues as they are before my time):

    1980 - Reagan (slight)
    1984 - Reagan (strong)
    1988 - Bush (slight)
    1992 - Clinton (strong)
    1996 - Clinton (strong)
    2000 - Bush (slight)
    2004 - Kerry (slight)
    2008 - Obama (strong)
    2012 - Obama (strong)
    2016 - Trump (leaning stronger by the day)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    I do. So do many others who are not senators and congressmen.

    Understand that some are in elections, and others are not, but have to appeal to constituencies that are conservative. These are not comments that anyone can defend, and so it's appropriate and correct that they come out and condemn them. The 'un-endorsement' is a political calculation for some, and a heart felt opinion for others. It will have an impact on the margin, but as I said in a prior post, this is all about base turnout because those on the fence at this late stage are unlikely to be all that motivated to get out and vote. This is a gutter election appealing to the base of both parties. The Trump card is the crossover coming from the Trumpites to compensate for some conservative loss.

    For the record, here are my preferences in past elections (some are based on prior studies of the issues as they are before my time):

    1980 - Reagan (slight)
    1984 - Reagan (strong)
    1988 - Bush (slight)
    1992 - Clinton (strong)
    1996 - Clinton (strong)
    2000 - Bush (slight)
    2004 - Kerry (slight)
    2008 - Obama (strong)
    2012 - Obama (strong)
    2016 - Trump (leaning stronger by the day)

    You remind me of Thierry Baudet. Look him up.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    You remind me of Thierry Baudet. Look him up.
    Got better things to do.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    He is a rightwing EU skeptic Dutch journalist.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Good to know. Just for the record, I'm not rightwing and I'm not Dutch. I am an EU skeptic (in its current form only - I believe it must be fundamentally reformed for the new realities we face, and quickly, or else it will disintegrate from within).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    As soon as you say anything slightly resembling a view that is a bit right from the political left you will be branded a rightwing or worse in these days.

    I hate rightwing idiots but the lefties are the worst kind these days when it comes to political discussions.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Anyone skeptic of the current political agenda is a nazi.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    He is a rightwing EU skeptic Dutch journalist.

    He's a conservative EU sceptic journalist, who uses much more articulated language to explain his views. As opposed to Donald Trump. Not that I like Baudet, but at least he makes good arguments.

    Sad though......that no one is mentioning that.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    He is a rightwing EU skeptic Dutch journalist.

    He's a conservative EU sceptic journalist, who uses much more articulated language to explain his views. As opposed to Donald Trump. Not that I like Baudet, but at least he makes good arguments.

    Sad though......that no one is mentioning that.

    Because you don't have to try hard to make better arguments or use more articulated language than Trump.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    A fascinating defeatist, media-led fall from grace has marked Trump more and more over the past year, hitting an all time low now.

    He calls the media a force against him, but in many ways certain outlets built up his legend in their painstaking and exhaustive coverage of his every word, giving voters a brand to fall behind that would be a good force for change in a nasty political system they felt disenfranchised by. Now though, with mounting scandal after mounting scandal, any word or action Trump takes balloons and takes over coverage on every outlet from MSNBC to Fox News to the point that any reports of Hillary's misdeeds are pushed to the wayside because they aren't as juicy. Trump has helped dethrone himself just by opening his big mouth, and all Hillary has to do is sit back, cross her arms and enjoy the show, as for many, Trump seems to have reached the rock bottom of the rock bottom.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    And now, let's have some laughs ;-):
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »

    For the record, here are my preferences in past elections (some are based on prior studies of the issues as they are before my time):

    1980 - Reagan (slight)
    1984 - Reagan (strong)
    Oh my. You really don't know what he did to this country, do you?
    :-O
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Reagan like Thatcher changed capitalism forever. It's called neoliberalism.

    It worked back then to great success.

    The problem is what has become of neoliberalism and how it is misused since the early 00s to destroy the middle class and dispose of anyone not able to work.

    The one man in recent US history that was dangerous and damaged the world more than anyone before him is Dick Cheney. Bush was a stupid handpuppet.

    I'm still amazed on how little people realise that and think Bush was a bad president. He was just dumb and Cheney was factual ruling the free world for 8 years.

    Cheney belongs into a prison for all the crimes he commited.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2016 Posts: 23,883
    chrisisall wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    For the record, here are my preferences in past elections (some are based on prior studies of the issues as they are before my time):

    1980 - Reagan (slight)
    1984 - Reagan (strong)
    Oh my. You really don't know what he did to this country, do you?
    :-O
    I believe he was the right man for the job, given where the world was at that time (stagflation and malaise). I believe we are in a similar scenario now with anemic growth and gridlock. My preference is strongly influenced by the state of play in the country and not by ideology. Having said that, none of the presidents have been fantastic (they are all flawed), and none have been a panacea for the country.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited October 2016 Posts: 1,003
    lol I find it funny Trumps comments offend people. I work at a luxury golf course rich people and celebs. All the 60-70 year old men make all kinds of sexual comments way worse than Trump everyday. What he said is nothing compared to what many guys say anytime a hot girl walks by.

    I think it's hilarious because people forget Bill Clinton was busy getting a BJ while Hillary was taking care of his daughters. No right to criticize him.

    If Hillary and Bill were a normal couple they would have gotten a divorce a long time ago. If he wasn't the president she would have divorced his ass. He's cheated on her a million times and not to mention there's so many political scandals about men banging prosititues and going to titty bars left and right this should be nothing. So 11 years ago trump makes a sexual comment about a woman big deal...

    What's next???

    "Breaking news Hillarys cousin says N word 20 years ago with friends."
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    For the record, here are my preferences in past elections (some are based on prior studies of the issues as they are before my time):

    1980 - Reagan (slight)
    1984 - Reagan (strong)
    Oh my. You really don't know what he did to this country, do you?
    :-O
    I believe he was the right man for the job, given where the world was at that time (stagflation and malaise). I believe we are in a similar scenario now with anemic growth and gridlock. My preference is strongly influenced by the state of play in the country and not by ideology. Having said that, none of the presidents have been fantastic (they are all flawed), and none have been a panacea for the country.

    Very true. I'm absolutely an opponent of neoliberalism in the current form but back then it was the right thing.
    I always liked Maggie Thatcher a lot, even if she has done some very stupid things and had some backward views that are not ok.
    The same goes for Reagan.
    I liked Bush senior a lot too.

    His son though is one of the biggest mistakes in US history.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    lol I find it funny Trumps comments offend people. I work at a luxury golf course rich people and celebs. All the 60-70 year old men make all kinds of sexual comments way worse than Trump everyday. What he said is nothing compared to what many guys say anytime a hot girl walks by.

    I think it's hilarious because people forget Bill Clinton was busy getting a BJ while Hillary was taking care of his daughters. No right to criticize him.

    If Hillary and Bill were a normal couple they would have gotten a divorce a long time ago. If he wasn't the president she would have divorced his ass. He's cheated on her a million times and not to mention there's so many political scandals about men banging prosititues and going to titty bars left and right this should be nothing. So 11 years ago trump makes a sexual comment about a woman big deal...

    What's next???

    "Breaking news Hillarys cousin says N word 20 years ago with friends."

    It's what his worlds imply he's done, which conform to the rape allegations he's faced in the past of unwanted sexual assault with minors. He implied quite clearly in his comments that he had a history of making advances on women and randomly grabbing them in their privates with impunity, because he was rich and famous and could do it without anyone saying so because he's Donald Trump.

    You're really showing your youthful ignorance here.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    For the record, here are my preferences in past elections (some are based on prior studies of the issues as they are before my time):

    1980 - Reagan (slight)
    1984 - Reagan (strong)
    Oh my. You really don't know what he did to this country, do you?
    :-O
    I believe he was the right man for the job, given where the world was at that time (stagflation and malaise). I believe we are in a similar scenario now with anemic growth and gridlock. My preference is strongly influenced by the state of play in the country and not by ideology. Having said that, none of the presidents have been fantastic (they are all flawed), and none have been a panacea for the country.

    Very true. I'm absolutely an opponent of neoliberalism in the current form but back then it was the right thing.
    I always liked Maggie Thatcher a lot, even if she has done some very stupid things and had some backward views that are not ok.
    The same goes for Reagan.
    I liked Bush senior a lot too.

    His son though is one of the biggest mistakes in US history.
    100% Agreed.
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