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@4EverBonded, @OHMSS69, @chrisisall & the rest: great work & keep going, we're almost at the finish line. Time for one last spurt of effort.
@bondjames: It looks like Reuters (a somewhat more reputable news outlet than Faux News) is reporting that an anti-Hillary faction within the FBI is responsible for much of the releases you've taken such pleasure in during the last week, and that Director Comey has largely lost control of their activities, using smear tactics to advance their hopes of their preferred candidate. Let me repeat: J. Edgar Hoover (no stranger to blackmailing the powerful by keeping their secrets judiciously secret) is surely spinning in his grave.
Many of the links I've been posting in this thread have been with the intent of saying: Look! THIS is what you've chosen to side with -- the racism, the sexism, the hatred and bigotry, the egotistical bullying. Are you really sure this is who you want to ally yourself with? Please, please, it's not too late...pull the lever for a better America, not an angrier, more hateful one.
"Lay down your weary tune, lay down
Lay down the song you strum
And rest yourself 'neath the strength of strings
No voice can hope to hum
Struck by the sounds before the sun
I knew the night had gone
The morning breeze like a bugle blew
Against the drum of dawn
Lay down your weary tune, lay down
Lay down the song you strum
And rest yourself 'neath the strength of strings
No voice can hope to hum
The ocean wild like an organ played
The seaweed wove its strands
The crashing waves like cymbals clashed
Against the rocks and the sand
Lay down your weary tune, lay down
Lay down the song you strum
And rest yourself 'neath the strength of strings
No voice can hope to hum
I stood unwound beneath the skies
And clouds unbound by laws
The crying rain like a trumpet sang
And asked for no applause
Lay down your weary tune, lay down
Lay down the song you strum
And rest yourself 'neath the strength of strings
No voice can hope to hum
The last of leaves fell from the trees
And clung to a new love's breast
The branches bare like a banjo moan
To the winds that listen the best
I gazed down in the river's mirror
And watched its winding strum
The water smooth ran like a hymn
And like a harp did hum
Lay down your weary tune, lay down
Lay down the song you strum
And rest yourself 'neath the strength of strings
No voice can hope to hum"
Here's the Byrds' version of the song.
"Nobody feels any pain
Tonight as I stand inside the rain
Ev'rybody knows
That Baby's got new clothes
But lately I see her ribbons and her bows
Have fallen from her curls.
She takes just like a woman, yes, she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl.
Queen Mary, she's my friend
Yes, I believe I'll go see her again
Nobody has to guess
That Baby can't be blessed
Till she sees finally that she's like all the rest
With her fog, her amphetamine and her pearls.
She takes just like a woman, yes, she does
She makes love just like a woman, yes, she does
And she aches just like a woman
But she breaks just like a little girl.
It was raining from the first
And I was dying there of thirst
So I came in here
And your long-time curse hurts
But what's worse
Is this pain in here
I can't stay in here
Ain't it clear that --
I just can't fit
Yes, I believe it's time for us to quit
When we meet again
Introduced as friends
Please don't let on that you knew me when
I was hungry and it was your world.
Ah, you fake just like a woman, yes, you do
You make love just like a woman, yes, you do
Then you ache just like a woman
But you break just like a little girl."
Why don't we just throw all our laws to the wind, then? Forget having elections, let's just make our candidates run in a deadly gladiator style obstacle course where the last one alive is elected. Vice presidents are chosen by a game of Russian Roulette. We can hang any politicians that make one mistake by their necks from the highest bridge of the city of their choosing, where all the world can see them.
A lack of standards is exactly what's wrong with this world, and it's only getting worse. We're making Orwell's fiction reality.
What you guys don't seem to understand is, that YOUR standards, fine as they are, are NOT the standards of your leaders - or ours here. Merkel is the same shit. No difference. I guess, many NEED to believe, there is still SOME law intact, that there is still SOME humanity in your leaders. Well - sadly, its not. To change that, we have to
1) understand, what's going on
2) leave the boxes, they have put us into
3) tell them, your don't want Monsato, you don't want the poison on your fields, in your food
4) tell them, you don't want that pipeline against which the natives .- thousands of them, protest so bravely.
5) Tell them to stop making their blood money in killing us - fast or slowly. All the same.
6) Stop buying your gen manipulated food, which kills you.
We ALL have to do that. Otherwise nothing will change.
I am not saying she is an angel. She has commited errors and I do disagree with her on certain topics, in particular her blind, uncompromised support of Israel. But I do believe the common notion of her being crooked and deceitful is greatly exaggerated.
You once again take it upon yourself to generalize everyone who takes a government position as a crook and demonize them. It's one of the stupidest contentions I've ever heard, but I hear it all the time from the same people. "They're all assholes, they don't fix anything."
By acting as you always do you only create more of a divide between us and the people we need to work with to make our world a stronger place, the Bernie Sanders of the world who aren't crooks and who became politicians to *gasp* actually help out.
Vilify everyone in a group through generalization, and you only compound the problems. People like you in the United States have generalized and demonized the entire population of working policemen, which has driven to innocent and good officers with families getting shot and murdered in cold blood while parked in their squad cars by assholes who believe all of them are racists and they're doing a public service.
This needs to end.
Its a mtter of conscience, that wakes up, that can make a difference.
BTW - what do you have to say about the points I made? Is that all bs in your eyes. Not true?
Generalization is never, ever okay, as mathematically improbable as it is morally barren. Bernie did quite alright from where I'm looking, by the way, and he'll be remembered by history for it.
As to your points? I think they're soaked in melodrama and don't help spark the change we'd need to make. You're so quick to call everyone the devil and vilify those whose lives or experiences you have no knowledge of. Humans are just as complex as you say this issue is, but you want to treat them as rather simple cases where your only response is, "they're all crooked."
BTW - I don't say, the good ones don't exist. They just don't have a chance as long as those few, whose single goal is power and money, rule the world. Your world as much as mine.
Yes very depressing. It's the Bigot Strikes Back.
For years racists and bigots have been marginalised and 'repressed'. Now, in defence of their human rights they're fighting back and Trump is their cheerleader. Nigel Farage played a similar role in the UK - dog whistle politics to re-legitimise bigotry.
This is exactly why in Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit 451 books are the first things to be burnt. When you don't educate yourself and don't make the effort to grow as an informed part of society you can be easily led by others to do or say anything they want because you lack the necessary critical thinking to realize when you've been had. Thanks to the advent of cell phones and social networking the government haven't needed to resort to book burning, because people make themselves more imbecilic all on their own.
We can take the easy road and blame politicians for everything, but how about all the damage we've done? When do we take responsibility and educate ourselves about where we've misstepped?
Exactly. Like I said. Sorry, if you said something I can agree to. I know, its disturbing. ;)
To change that, we have to
1) understand, what's going on
That's my message too my lovely, dear @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 :-). Hence why I will always, strongly uphold JFK's message:
And people should take that really more literally. Examples:
--> DO NOT sign a mortgage contract, if you really haven't enough money for it. Go RENTING instead (like I probably will do all my life)
--> SAVE MONEY until you can really buy a phone simlock free, instead of LEASING a phone by a 3-year subscription/payment plan
--> SEARCH for a job outside your state...or even outside your country.
Sadly, this self-empowerment doesn't work this way with less educated people. They lack the ability to think big, grand or large. They are used too much to a situation that has been unchanged for decades. And sadly, that situation won't come back. It's no good to blame either Trump or Clinton for that.
@BeatlesSansEarmuffs, I saw that Reuters article yesterday. As I've said before, in the heat of a high stakes multi $-bn election campaign nothing is what it seems and deception and lies are everywhere. There is obviously tension between the FBI & The Justice Dept. Who should one side with? Well, until I hear about Jim Comey sitting in the back of a plane with Melania Trump, I'm more inclined to side with the FBI on this, particularly in light of the wikileaks information which has already exposed collusion by the Clinton campaign and the media (Donna Brazille has been dismissed as CNN contributor for giving the campaign town hall questions in advance).
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A Hillary win, although still likely, is going to be quite anti-climactic. As I've said all along, it will mire the country in years of investigations and recriminations. She continues to be secretive and deceptive, and that's just not on for me.
I firmly believe that the US is not a dynastic nation. That it historically doesn't vote based on 'fear' but rather on 'hope'. Optimism normally prevails. It's a country that traditionally takes chances and risks. One with an independent spirit in its DNA. In the recent past, I can only recall one exception and that was in 2004, when fear of terrorism gave Bush (the previous dynastic candidate) a 2nd term. This may be another one of those years. Where fear of the unknown wins. I hope not.
Optimism and risk taking means Trump. He in my view represents the American spirit and the independent frontier success and audacity of the American dream. The same audacity that elected a first term senator and previous community organizer on the back of one exceptional speech and a superb election campaign. There are enough checks and balances in the system to temper any extreme aspects of his platform, and the man is far more measured than his electoral rhetoric and bluster will have you believe.
Although I can't still see a path to victory for him, it's been fun and he will do alright no matter what happens on Tuesday. I appreciate the effort, energy, enthusiasm and hard work he has put into his campaign, and respect how he has been able to motivate and energize a large portion of the electorate, including myself. Moreover, it's been great entertainment. Thank you Donald!
So sure let's make that a chorus of: Thank you, Donald. For all that you have sown this election year. You have been a busy sower, that is a fact.
possible attacks? Hmmm.
I will say that though it's easy for some to vilify Hillary to the max, acting like she needs to be exorcised for a demon bursting from inside her, she's nothing compared to the leaders we've have not even in the past century, but the past twenty years. It would be of use to hit the history books, really stalling over the careers of men like Woodrow Wilson and Lyndon Johnson for starters to see what it really means to have poor leadership and classlessness. Their actions go beyond mere screw-ups and more readily classify themselves as acts downright vindictive and cruel. The Sedition Acts and the Vietnam War, two of our greatest exports from this past century. Like it was yesterday...
Once again: you must tell us where you got your crystal ball.
Now you're just being absurd. Your quote above has got to be the single stupidest thing anyone has said on this entire thread. Here's a nice response from this year's Nobel Prize for Literature winner:
"There must be some way out of here" said the joker to the thief
"There's too much confusion", I can't get no relief
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth.
"No reason to get excited", the thief he kindly spoke
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late".
All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, and their footservants, too.
Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl
Two riders were approaching, and the wind began to howl...
Or for those of you like @GL who can't be bothered to read, here's Jimi Hendrix' version of the song: Bob Dylan's "All Along the Watchtower"
:))
Thanks for that @chris. Arnold is a better American than some of the folks we've had posting on this thread.