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The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Obviously, president Trump will truly unify the country.....based on another fierce back-and-forth discussion in here :-/.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He won't be unifying or uniting anyone I'm afraid. Only causing more distance and tension in an already divided country.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    GOOD MORNING! What a lovely day this is. :)>-
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm willing to give him a chance, but it will take efforts on both sides. Hopefully we don't have another Mitch McConnell moment, this time from the other side.

    Now it is up to him to step up and be worthy of the office that he has worked so hard to win and which the voters have entrusted him with. I think he can do it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2016 Posts: 12,480
    Trump is a divider, not a uniter, true. We shall see. It is up to American citizens to put the pressure on their representatives, senators, governors and keep the pressure up. Just to ensure the worst does not happen. We have to be vigilant. Not a time to giving up.

    @chrisisall, there is plenty to blame; not just one thing.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited November 2016 Posts: 7,854
    @bondjames I pray you’re right. His history says you're wrong.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Some people have too much faith in that overgrown manchild.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm willing to give him a chance, but it will take efforts on both sides. Hopefully we don't have another Mitch McConnell moment, this time from the other side.

    Now it is up to him to step up and be worthy of the office that he has worked so hard to win and which the voters have entrusted him with. I think he can do it.

    How do you figure? Republicans will control both chambers of Congress. They can pass and do what they want for at least the next two years.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    TripAces wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm willing to give him a chance, but it will take efforts on both sides. Hopefully we don't have another Mitch McConnell moment, this time from the other side.

    Now it is up to him to step up and be worthy of the office that he has worked so hard to win and which the voters have entrusted him with. I think he can do it.

    How do you figure? Republicans will control both chambers of Congress. They can pass and do what they want for at least the next two years.
    It's still a divided country and there is no clear agreement on major issues. Trump has ideas (particularly on trade) which will likely cross the aisle in terms of support, and may face resistance from more Republicans than Democrats. So bipartisanship is definitely possible, if he doesn't overreach. That historically has been the big mistake of first term new presidents, and then they get crushed in the mid terms.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, keep in mind the company Trump brings with him. This is not just him taking over America.

    That is why we have do our best. Even if the Republicans control the house and senate. One thing Americans don't do is just roll over and give up.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Just really important the Democrats, Supreme Court, and American people push as much as they can to protect our rights and our country. A happy bi-partisanship regarding the plans that Trump has touted is highly unlikely, as many of his ideas are unrealistic and some are of racist bias.

    So basically it will be damage control as much as possible. The entire time he is in office. So be it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    So, we are thrown a challenge here, bring it bitch. The strength of the fewer is more mighty than the fear of the more.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Amen, @chrisisall.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yep, @chrisisall. :)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I worry for women's rights, gay rights, immigrant safety...people suffering senselessly for who they are or what cards they've been dealt, and told how to live or where to go by people with no right to give their say.

    We can calls this "change" all we want, but what we're experiencing is a return to the status quo of an uber racist, uber homophobic, uber sexist, uber isolationist time that does us no good.

    How the hell do you explain this to kids? How do Muslim parents tell their children they've got to leave their new home in America because they chose the wrong religion? How do we look on the beautiful love between two men or two women and make the case that they aren't worthy of the kinds of freedoms united men and women have always had and have never had to worry about losing? How does a policeman talk a woman down who has just survived a rape, and may have gotten pregnant from her abuser, and tell her that by law, she must have the child and there is nothing she can do about it? How does the principal of a school face the parents of the kids who were shot dead in his building when he knows deep down that the gunman wouldn't-couldn't-have gotten his guns if the right background checks were in place?

    Some change.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    It's back to the wild wild west. Gunslingers will rule. Indians will be slain. But the magnificent seven will strike back, fast and furious.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I guess it's time to grow my mustache back. I've missed you pallie.
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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2016 Posts: 12,480
    Different commentators NYTimes here (just thought these were interesting for us to think about for a moment). I am hoping Democrats take the Senate; I have not been following that, though, so I don't know how that's looking.
    *******

    Folks, let’s talk about post-Obama Washington and the post-Trump Democrats.
    But parties locked out of power tend to fragment. Instead of another Republican autopsy, expect a bitter Democratic one. It is easy for me to imagine a rising Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren wing of the party, arguing that Democrats lost for not tapping enough into voter frustrations, for being too centrist. Democrats face a difficult map in 2018. If they don’t win the Senate tonight, they will have an uphill battle in two years.
    There is a Supreme Court vacancy that Republicans, under a President Trump, are likely to be able to fill.

    and

    I think a lot of forces that were contained by Obama’s historic rise and his popularity within his party are now about to be unleashed.

    and

    It would have been a problem if Clinton had won (or if she does win). But it’s going to be much worse now. Which is not to say that this is going to be easygoing for the Republican Party. It is not.
    *******
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    I worry for women's rights, gay rights, immigrant safety...people suffering senselessly for who they are or what cards they've been dealt, and told how to live or where to go by people with no right to give their say.

    We can calls this "change" all we want, but what we're experiencing is a return to the status quo of an uber racist, uber homophobic, uber sexist, uber isolationist time that does us no good.

    How the hell do you explain this to kids? How do Muslim parents tell their children they've got to leave their new home in America because they chose the wrong religion? How do we look on the beautiful love between two men or two women and make the case that they aren't worthy of the kinds of freedoms united men and women have always had and have never had to worry about losing? How does a policeman talk a woman down who has just survived a rape, and may have gotten pregnant from her abuser, and tell her that by law, she must have the child and there is nothing she can do about it? How does the principal of a school face the parents of the kids who were shot dead in his building when he knows deep down that the gunman wouldn't-couldn't-have gotten his guns if the right background checks were in place?
    That which does not kill us makes us stronger.
    We will have to go Cimmerian.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Yes, @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. That's why I have been using the word "shameful" so much today. It is.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2016 Posts: 23,883
    It's true that the Democratic party is going to have to go through a period of soul searching and rediscovery. It will not be easy (it never is), and I hope they don't give in to the left wing of the party, although that is likely to be the more vocal and organized element on account of Bernie's success.

    The party has essentially been run by the Clinton apparatus (even many of Obama's appointees were previous Clintonites) for decades. Now it will have to find a new way, just as the Republican party has to let go of the Bush hold.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    They both suck.
  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    How do Muslim parents tell their children they've got to leave their new home in America because they chose the wrong religion?

    Wait, what's this? Did I miss some new legislation banning all Muslims? Or are you just letting your emotions get the best of you? The sky isn't falling, people. Calm down.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited November 2016 Posts: 12,480
    with the inevitable racist comments too, sure.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote: »
    The sky isn't falling, people. Calm down.
    I just got hammered by a cloud, man. It's falling.

  • Seven_Point_Six_FiveSeven_Point_Six_Five Southern California
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    4EverBonded wrote: »
    with the inevitable racist comments too, sure.

    Oh, my bad. It's definitely gonna happen then. Just like that wall, huh?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    How do Muslim parents tell their children they've got to leave their new home in America because they chose the wrong religion?

    Wait, what's this? Did I miss some new legislation banning all Muslims? Or are you just letting your emotions get the best of you? The sky isn't falling, people. Calm down.

    Who knows in a Trump presidency. He spoke of a desire to create a database for all Muslims in order to best deal with them (as they're all secret ISIS helpers, I guess), after all.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Seven_Point_Six_Five wrote: »
    4EverBonded wrote: »
    with the inevitable racist comments too, sure.

    Oh, my bad. It's definitely gonna happen then. Just like that wall, huh?

    It's not the actuality that will hurt us most as a nation, but the ensuing mentality. Hate is a tool to control us.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Exactly, @chrisisall. Hate is a poison anyway.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    So much just comes to mind, so much.
    Including Trump meeting Obama. When Trump all along pushed that Obama was not even born in America. He was proud of saying that.

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