The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Shoutout to everyone who talked bad about me!!! Lol Trump won!!
    Back at you CR (although I didn't talk smack at you) and also to those Hillary supporters who tried to make a rational case for an HRC admin, as opposed to......(well I won't get into it, doesn't matter now, the election is won)
    @bondjames already broached the matter in his usual sensible, even blunt manner.

    @CR Your comments a while back regarding Texas gun laws were illuminating. I believe you said you had three guns yourself.
    This is what makes America great. The Texas gun laws clearly make sense for Texas.
    But they would make no sense up here, as there is really no tradition or precedent or demand for such laws in Ontario. I am ok with our gun control. I allow it might be rather restrictive on hobbyists and such, but the rules are relaxed for long-gun owners in rural areas.
    I live in a major urban centre. Our criminals and gangs are armed to the teeth with illegal weaponry. We have shootings every weekend and scattered during the weekdays too. The shootings can happen anywhere. The bad guys move around, but there is no call here for the citizenry to be armed with legal weapons. It's just how we roll. We don't need them or even want them. At least there is no groundswell or demand.
    But Texas is a different place, with a whole different history and cultural reality.
    That's what makes America great. It is a union of 50 unique states. It is not a one-size fits all.
    Gun laws, health care regulation, education policy, family law etc can vary from state to state.
    I do trust that Trump and his team will be more inclined to a decentralized approach to government.
    Meantime, the federal government does have a huge responsibility on matters of national sovereignty.
    Trump will at least make effort to deal with illegal immigration. The rule of law needs to be upheld.

    And to those who think they can flee to Canada ( although I do realize most of it is just noise) please be advised, we are a sovereign nation!
    You can't just come here. We do not have open borders.
    I need a passport to cross into the States and my documents to get back in
    There is process! You must qualify! We do enforce border control! We have immigration policy. We do deport illegals and those who have outstayed their visas.

    Whoopi you are on notice. You too Cranston.
    Harrumph!
    Cher- Jupiter awaits. Pack your bags!

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @CASINOROYALE

    You have illegals pouring in through Texas where I live getting free housing, free healthcare and free college which I am not offered and I am an American citizen who pays tons of taxes.

    This is a major point that people no longer will accept.
    It's happening in Europe too. Even in Switzerland and most simply don't understand why they have to work their fingers to the bone while immigrants get laid out the red carpet by the left social welfare industry.

    The system is forgetting its own people.
    In October 2015 the Swiss have given 30% of their vote to our right wing conservative party! An unprecedented election result. For comparison the second highest percentage was 19 for the left social party and 17 for the economy liberals.

  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    timmer wrote: »
    Shoutout to everyone who talked bad about me!!! Lol Trump won!!
    Back at you CR (although I didn't talk smack at you) and also to those Hillary supporters who tried to make a rational case for an HRC admin, as opposed to......(well I won't get into it, doesn't matter now, the election is won)
    @bondjames already broached the matter in his usual sensible, even blunt manner.

    @CR Your comments a while back regarding Texas gun laws were illuminating. I believe you said you had three guns yourself.
    This is what makes America great. The Texas gun laws clearly make sense for Texas.
    But they would make no sense up here, as there is really no tradition or precedent or demand for such laws in Ontario. I am ok with our gun control. I allow it might be rather restrictive on hobbyists and such, but the rules are relaxed for long-gun owners in rural areas.
    I live in a major urban centre. Our criminals and gangs are armed to the teeth with illegal weaponry. We have shootings every weekend and scattered during the weekdays too. The shootings can happen anywhere. The bad guys move around, but there is no call here for the citizenry to be armed with legal weapons. It's just how we roll. We don't need them or even want them. At least there is no groundswell or demand.
    But Texas is a different place, with a whole different history and cultural reality.
    That's what makes America great. It is a union of 50 unique states. It is not a one-size fits all.
    Gun laws, health care regulation, education policy, family law etc can vary from state to state.
    I do trust that Trump and his team will be more inclined to a decentralized approach to government.
    Meantime, the federal government does have a huge responsibility on matters of national sovereignty.
    Trump will at least make effort to deal with illegal immigration. The rule of law needs to be upheld.

    Thanks man.
    Yeah it's just amazing how I literally did not trash anyone on here for supporting Hillary but I voice my opinions and I get personally attacked. If you live in Canada obviously things in Texas are incredibly different.. I have older family members who live in New York and they were so confused to why we had guns in Texas. It's just how I was raised. Not everyone is a redneck or hillbilly. I live in a really nice town, my families house was on a few acres.

    Driving to work every morning I see about 20-50 deer just wandering around so naturally we have issues with coyotes and other wild animals.

    I have not touched a gun since 2012 and I do not go to a gun range to randomly shoot. In Texas the big thing to do is to go deer and dove hunting which is something people in other states would normally not do on a seasonal basis. I also know for a fact that not many people on here live close to Mexico. My dad is a roofer and works a lot near the border and it is literally another world. They have tanks that drive around with swat teams every single day and you hear gunfire a lot. The cartel is notorious for using chainsaws to behead people near the border and are extremely dangerous.

    Even though my town is nice and far from being a bad part of town, we do have issues with drugs and cartel members every now and then.

    We just had a guy kill four people a block from my house, ,car jack a man and then set an apartment complex on fire near a high school. It was a Mexican with cartel ties. Our town is normally pretty quiet but I don't know anyone else on this forum who has things like that happen to them.

  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    The KKK celebrates Trump's victory. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/david-duke-donald-trump_us_5822b0a6e4b0d9ce6fbfe338

    Isis celebrates Trump's victory. http://www.vocativ.com/374892/isis-is-happy-trump-won-the-world-is-on-the-verge-of-exploding/

    Told you once & I'll tell you again: you lay down with pigs & you'll eventually get up awfully dirty. Personally, I'm with the Beatles:




    Revolution and Revolution #9. I always wondered what happened to #s 2-8?
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    t is funny how Clinton supporters posted statuses saying she would obviously win and Trump supporters are delusional
    This is standard operating procedure for ( I'll just call them Plutonians, rather than lean on L word)
    They like to tell you the election is won, in the bag etc. Translation: they are scared.
    It happens up here too. Our populist Mayor elected in 2010 made Pluto apoplectic. The vitriol and hysteria campaign almost rivaled what we saw this year in the USA
    We were told he can't win,noise, noise, noise, much mouth-foaming.
    Then the people went to the polls, and he won easily, by 10 points over the Pluto candidate.

    When Pluto starts telling us it's in the bag, that's a good thing.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The media has a big part in this.
    From the very beginning the media from left to right made fun of Trump, didn't take him seriously, ridiculed him, insulted him etc.
    They claimed only uneducated racists and sexists would vote Trump.

    This had to backfire. This is simply a job not well done by the media. It's almost funny to read the many columnists and journalists take on Trump's victory today.
    Some, only a few, actually have understood the signal and message. They are questioning their own role in all of this and what they should have done better.
    Sadly a lot of the journalists still think this is all a mistake of the Republicans, Trump himself or the stupid imbeciles that voted for Trump.

    I know many people who actually were so fed up with the constant lecturing from the media that they hoped Trump would win. I had some very interesting conversations today where I work, quite surprising.

    Of course there shouldn't be a blame game. But everyone involved should question their own role in all of this and try to make it better next time.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    timmer wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Trump h hias few ideological leanings. He has been consistent on the trade thing for decades (he used to rail against Japan in the 80's). He has also been consistent on national security for decades. He wants judges who are strict interpreters of the Constitution. Those are his core principles. The rest can be negotiated, which in America's 'checks and balances' govt system is a good thing.

    He also has been consistent for years that Govt. must run lean and efficiently, with clear accountability to the electorate. He ran his campaign on a relative shoestring and used creative and unconventional but yet highly effective methods to deliver his message. I expect similar creativity in government.

    The big change on foreign policy is that he is more likely to suggest a strategy to keep Assad in power to stem the violence in Syria. The common enemy now is ISIL/Daesh. If I were them, I'd be very afraid, because now the full power of the US military, Russian and Iranian military is going to come down on them like a tonne of bricks. The big loser is Saudi Arabia (funder of ISIL).
    Your attention to and grasp of the issues at hand are commendable @bondjames. Much rational level-headed posting in this thread.Informative too! You are a credit to your fine nation!
    Trump is going to get to work. Like most business types, he is a doer. I fully expect he will be huddling with Paul Ryan in very short order, and reviewing what Ryan wants to get through.The pair are both competent and motivated to streamline/eliminate burdensome regulation and such that hinders economic activity.
    The Alberta oil-sands folks here are no doubt energized by this win. Trump has said he will work to get the Keystone pipeline flowing. The Cdn economy thanks him in advance.
    @timmer, thanks!
    timmer wrote: »
    t is funny how Clinton supporters posted statuses saying she would obviously win and Trump supporters are delusional
    This is standard operating procedure for ( I'll just call them Plutonians, rather than lean on L word)
    They like to tell you the election is won, in the bag etc. Translation: they are scared.
    It happens up here too. Our populist Mayor elected in 2010 made Pluto apoplectic. The vitriol and hysteria campaign almost rivaled what we saw this year in the USA
    We were told he can't win,noise, noise, noise, much mouth-foaming.
    Then the people went to the polls, and he won easily, by 10 points over the Pluto candidate.

    When Pluto starts telling us it's in the bag, that's a good thing.
    Trump does remind me a lot of Rob Ford. Same kind of populist message, and incredible support from the people as a result. He should study the Ford experience to ensure that he doesn't fall into the same traps that befell the late Mayor of Toronto. The opposition will be trying to get him at every chance they can and he can expect a tough run with the liberal media.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Timmer, I'm Torontonian too... what did you think of the late RF?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Good luck with Adolf, America. I'm sure he'll do everything he's promised, which is good, seeing how many people believe his every word. Building a 3000 km wall and all that. Yeah, I'm sure he'll get that fixed. Oh, and naturally, once he's removed all those illegals and kicked all those minority groups in the ass, all your problems will be solved, no doubt about that. Welcome to Europe in the 1930s. We'll talk again in four years. :D
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Yes, when Chancellor Trump decides not to step down.

    All those who support him, I just want to say one last thing then I'm never commenting in this thread again: If or when he f*cks up, and the world has suddenly become a significantly worse place, I don't want to hear you say anything. You will have put that into motion, it will be your fault that it happened. You stood with him now, and you had damned well be standing with him when he rains hellfire down on all of you.
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    Looks like Hillary did a Gore and won the popular vote but still lost the electoral college
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    By the way, since Trump's going to round up all illegal immigrants, all of you with a lilly-white skin better pack your stuff and get out. You and your ancestors have been living in America as immigrants for the past 500 years. Wiping out indigenous tribes doesn't make your presence legal. America was built on immigration. It wouldn't have risen to power without immigrants. Immigrants gave America the bomb which secured its victory in WWII for example. A big-breasted immigrant is pulling a lewinski on Trump every night. But again, if you remove those obnoxious immigrants, as your next president promises he will, I'm sure better times await you. Can't wait for Trump's Triumph Of The Will to give you the outlines of his Solution. Remember to salute him by extending your arm with a straightened hand.
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    jake24 wrote: »
    This is not aimed at anyone on this forum, but the amount of Americans handling this like a preschool child is truly disconcerting.
    You mean the ones who now believe the world is ending.


    Yeah I looked outside and have not seen any horseman apoclyptical or otherwise
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    bondjames wrote: »
    Trump does remind me a lot of Rob Ford. Same kind of populist message, and incredible support from the people as a result. He should study the Ford experience to ensure that he doesn't fall into the same traps that befell the late Mayor of Toronto. The opposition will be trying to get him at every chance they can and he can expect a tough run with the liberal media.

    What befell the late Mayor of the T-dot is he had a booze and crack problem.
    Mind you, so did his opponent in the election, but he had been on the wagon for a while. The worst of it was behind him.
    I think Ford was OK. He worked his ass off and wasn't intimdated at all by opposition media and political vultures.
    Problem with poor Robbie, is that he didn't clean up, post-election, so naturally he made headlines and then the crab got him, so he couldn't run for re-election after he'd cleaned up.
    Trump won't have that problem. He doesn't drink at all. He's not a recovering lush.
    He just doesn't drink or do drugs.
    What Trump has to do is get to work, put a good team in place. He's got a mandate.
    And I would also recommend give Melania lots of visibility.


    @peter re ROFO. I loved the guy! Gregarious friendly people person. I loved his Respect for Taxpayers & Stop the Gravy Train mantras. He walked the talk. Got some good work done while in office IMO. Ditched some punitive taxes, got a lot of stuff privatized, most notably garbage collection (sure don't miss those garbage strikes, that you used to be able to mark on your calendar), reduced government bloat and counselor entitlements. Real big on customer service too.


  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I simply hope that Trump supporters don't expect this man to be the first politician ever who will make good on every single promise he's made during his campaign. He too, despite his many republican partners, will have to compromise, will have to abandon plans because they are simply unachievable, will have to critically re-evaluate some of his promises. Thus, he too will disappoint a great many of his voters who, no doubt, in four years from now, will say that had they known things would turn out this way, they wouldn't have voted for him. I'm quite honestly baffled by this sudden rise in expectations that Trump will lead his people to the best of times when even he will be spending more time trying to fight his way upstream instead of cruising comfortably downstream.

    I expect this to be the political equivalent of Die Another Day, the colourful, mockable failure that allowed for a complete U-turn afterwards. Will Trump be like Nero, after whose death Romans realised they would never allow anything like this to happen again? I hope not, for that would mean that America will burn first, with the fires unjustly linked to a certain targeted minority...
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Bush Junior was elected for a second term. Something that was unthinkable at the time for about the whole world except maybe the US itself.

    Trump getting a second term is not impossible. So better brace yourselves for 8 very long years of Republican dominance in politics.

    I heard Trump may appoint The Newt and Giuliani to his cabinet. Well, if that's the case he should take Sarah Palin as well, she would fit that group quite well.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    By the way, since Trump's going to round up all illegal immigrants, all of you with a lilly-white skin better pack your stuff and get out. You and your ancestors have been living in America as immigrants for the past 500 years. Wiping out indigenous tribes doesn't make your presence legal. America was built on immigration. It wouldn't have risen to power without immigrants. Immigrants gave America the bomb which secured its victory in WWII for example. A big-breasted immigrant is pulling a lewinski on Trump every night. But again, if you remove those obnoxious immigrants, as your next president promises he will, I'm sure better times await you. Can't wait for Trump's Triumph Of The Will to give you the outlines of his Solution. Remember to salute him by extending your arm with a straightened hand.

    Where did that come from?? Yikes!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    By the way, since Trump's going to round up all illegal immigrants, all of you with a lilly-white skin better pack your stuff and get out. You and your ancestors have been living in America as immigrants for the past 500 years. Wiping out indigenous tribes doesn't make your presence legal. America was built on immigration. It wouldn't have risen to power without immigrants. Immigrants gave America the bomb which secured its victory in WWII for example. A big-breasted immigrant is pulling a lewinski on Trump every night. But again, if you remove those obnoxious immigrants, as your next president promises he will, I'm sure better times await you. Can't wait for Trump's Triumph Of The Will to give you the outlines of his Solution. Remember to salute him by extending your arm with a straightened hand.

    Where did that come from?? Yikes!

    Historical fact, maybe?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I like you lot, but why those comparisons to Hitler??
    Have you read the history books? How can you make parallels?
    Will Trump alter the constitution and rule forever.
    Will he build concentration camps for Jews?
    Will he form a civil police that will hunt for opposition??

    It's actually quite insensitive towards survivors of those times, yes there are still people alive from that time.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Just having a bit of fun. Surely after the election of Trump, whose campaign was centred around targeting groups of people, being insensitive can be perfectly condoned.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The "we're a nation of immigrants" argument has always bugged me, because it takes a country to mean nothing more than a given number of square miles. A nation is a lot more than just a plot of land, but I guess in this day and age that is forgotten about.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I am neither left nor right, I haven't stuck by either candidates over the course of this election, but Hitler's acts have left a scar on this world that far succeeds anything laid out by Trump (although there's a lot that can happen in the next four years). The man wants to unite a country but his overblown bigotry is extremely telling of how ill-suited a presidential candidate he is. However, comparing Trump to Hitler is undeniably insensitive to those victims and a clear result of CNN's incessant scare tactics.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    Satire or reality? YOU decide! Bottom line: The Simpsons predicted President Trump more than a decade ago...

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/the-simpsons-donald-trump_us_5822fd7fe4b0aac6248865d0
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Very well then, I don't mind taking that back. But I'm amazed that "it's all the Mexicans' fault!" is perfectly okay, whereas drawing parallels to the restless decade before the death camps is suddenly too sensitive? Trump's total disregard for certain colour types of human life is fine, but accusing him of instigating a mass hatred towards those people, much in the same way that Hitler's rise to power began, is unacceptable? Curious thing, how after an election campaign full of inconsistencies, half-truths, absolutes, lack of nuance, ... we're suddenly going to mince words. :D
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    Amazing that Trump (or fart in English) will take the Presidency and hit the red button on the same day,January 20th.....my bloody birthday.....the irony of life..
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Trump said too many things that were perfectly not okay.
    Still, he is elected. Accept it.
    When Switzerland turned far right in October 2015 we didn't complain. And believe me we have a Trump too, a life long business tycoon who is a populist in the worst sense.
    And yes he was elected into highest office, but removed again after four years, which also only happened the second time in Swiss history. Usually our head of states can stay in power as long as they want and then retire. That's tradition here and it has worked so far.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    What we fail to remember is that America wasn't discovered, it was founded. I think sometimes we forget that no Country has existed for the purpose to serve those outside of its borders. Trump has remembered this, and so have the american people. It's not hate, or fear. Progressives say America shouldn't be the policeman of the world, but it shouldn't be the babysitter either.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @barryt007, coming January, I'll be celebrating your birthday, friend, and nothing else.
  • Getafix wrote: »
    Looks like Hillary did a Gore and won the popular vote but still lost the electoral college

    The Founding Fathers, in their immortal wisdom, didn't really trust a straightforward democracy. They reasoned it'd be too easy for a charismatic to seize the reins of power by appealing to the emotions of the crowd. That's why they instituted the Electoral College, theorizing that a better-educated elite would be more trustworthy than the unalloyed will of the people. Nice going, F.F.!

    Here's Jefferson -- not Thomas, but his Airplane -- at Woodstock, for "three days of fun & music" (& political propaganda):



  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    Edit, delete the duplication...


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