The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Have you guys seen this from 2011? It's vicious. Snoop cracked me up. Warning: some swear words.

    Highlights:


    Full thing:
    http://fmovies.to/film/comedy-central-roast-of-donald-trump.m2j4z/z1j7wp
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited November 2016 Posts: 4,585
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Oh, so its all a mistake of the Republicans. So, in the end, not the presidents party rules but the opposition. I am not saying, they don't cut each other short.

    Same overall, but at the end of the day

    Had the party you advocate done a proper job overall, none of this would have happened.

    There seem to be a lot of people really unhappy. Why is that if everything is so great, that we need to have it 4 more years? Explain that.

    @Germanlady, many of those who don't live in the U.S. (and likely most who do) don't fully get the effed up system of government we have here. It needs to be torn up and rebuilt, but it won't happen any time soon.

    To your point: @Jobo is correct. For six years, we had a congress at odds with the President. How can this happen? Simple.

    We have two chambers of Congress and they are supposed write the laws. Obamacare was written (after lengthy debate) when the Democrats (miraculously) had control of both chambers. It lasted all of two years. Here's the problem: while most of the U.S. leans left (hence why the popular vote in six of the past seven elections have gone Democrat), the Congress leans right--because of its make-up. Each state gets two votes in the senate, no matter the population. This gives ultra-conservative states like Wyoming and Kansas as many votes as huge urban(and liberal) centers like New York. In fact, California alone has a population of 40 million--it gets two votes. The will of 40 million people is easily overcome by the 12 votes given to six plains states (Wyoming, nebraska, Kansas, N Dakota, S Dakota, and OKlahoma) with only 10 million people. If that sounds stupid: it is.

    The Senate will almost always be Republican due to this ridiculous, outdated system put in place by a bunch of men who died two centuries ago.

    Meanwhile, the House is the one with members elected based on population. But even this is rigged Republican. The congressional district maps have been gerrymandered like crazy by Republican state legislatures to maximize their representation.

    Voila!

    You usually end up with a Democrat in the White House and Republicans in Congress that the majority of Americans despise.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Thanks for posting @CASINOROYALE. No, not Hitler.
  • Shortly after I saw Trump winning, I wasn't that much surprised actually.

    One thing that Trump might have facilitated on a larger scale is further normalization of right-wing populism. I wouldn't be surprised if Marine le Pen becomes the next French president.

    Now, at least 36 hours later, I actually feel more sick in my stomach. I think it'll go away eventually. But at the moment I can only see a rise of angry working-class people who start realizing in 4 years from now that their factory jobs won't come back.....
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    Posts: 28,694
    Shortly after I saw Trump winning, I wasn't that much surprised actually.

    One thing that Trump might have facilitated on a larger scale is further normalization of right-wing populism. I wouldn't be surprised if Marine le Pen becomes the next French president.

    Now, at least 36 hours later, I actually feel more sick in my stomach. I think it'll go away eventually. But at the moment I can only see a rise of angry working-class people who start realizing in 4 years from now that their factory jobs won't come back.....

    @Gustav_Graves, I did all my crying yesterday. Now we've got to wipe our tears and deal with this in as bipartisan a fashion we can, to honor President Obama's wishes and legacy. We can only hope the Dems can block any attempts to reverse the progressive social reforms we have seen take place in the last 8 years this administration has threatened to reverse, and that both sides can compromise on all other issues beyond that.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    jobo wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    Purely for fun, I tried imagining what Fleming (and by extension Bond) might have felt about the election.
    I'm doubtful he'd have particularly liked Clinton, considering that the only female authority figure in his books is Rosa Klebb. Furthermore, his cavalier side would hardly take to a stolid technocrat.
    On the other hand, there's almost no way he'd have liked Trump. If there's one thing Fleming despised, it was vulgar American millionaires, as exemplified by Milton Krest (or the Spang twins). If that wasn't enough, the Russian connection would have enraged him (remember that the majority of villains in the books work for Russia). The idea of Russian espionage interfering with western elections would be anathema to an old cold warrior like him.
    What Fleming might have thought about the election is not a matter of importance, but it does hint at the changes in class and politics that have occurred in the 52 years since his death.


    That is interesting. If I didn't know better I'd think Trump was a character created by Fleming. A vulgar, rude, brash and narcissistic billionaire who lives in a golden tower, has a shady business history, orange skin and hair tupee, whose family has a German background and changed their name to cover it up, who has a foundation which is supposed to make donations for charity but in fact goes towards personal investments, who plays golf but is not very good at it, etc...

    There is plenty of material for a Bond novel here! Bernie Sanders would make a great M.

    Excellent.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited November 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Right-wing populism only is on the rise because the centre-left and left politicians around the world have been blind and deaf for practically decades now to the (lower) middle classes worries and fears. While some fears may be irrational, the worries are real, felt every day when they work their fingers to the bone only to be stripped of a little bit of life quality every year. The neoliberal dream scenarios that still are promised from the aristocratic rich political elite since 30 years now have not come true, the opposite is the case. Still they hold on to it.

    Trump has already made a very good impression since the minute he got elected.
    I said this numerous times before, the man of the nasty election battle is not the man in the White House. You will see.

    If he kills TTIP and stops neoliberalism then it's already the biggest achievement possible for just now.

    Obamacare probably came too fast for the Americans to swallow and digest. Another bad call from the Democrats.
    Of course one can only hope Obamacare will survive in some form, but if it dies, then be it.
    You can not have it all.

    After this election I can see clearer now. It's not the bad bad conservatives that are dangerous to our society. It's the blind and deaf political middle and middle left establishment that is dangerous. As long as they don't learn to take "us" seriously and for a change do something for the middle classes. They will cause the political landscape to go further right-wing. The populists only take the opportunity. If they were not given endless opportunities we wouldn't have to cope with them at all.

    But as it already shows, they don't learn. It's not enough obviously.
    After Brexit and Trump, obviously it needs more to make them learn.

    I predict Le Pen to be the next French President.
    I predict Angela Merkel being forced out of her chancellorship next year when a far-left/left/green coalition will make the current leader of the left party the new chancellor.
    I predict the EU will do NOTHING to stop Erdogan from turning Turkey into a dictatorship, which it already is actually.
    I predict more countries will have right-wing populists as leader in 5 years.

    Dark times are ahead of us, unless the EU and middle/middle-left parties of this world are learning their lessons and stop being such ignorant, arrogant pricks.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Obamacare certainly wasn't forced on me nor did I have to pay any fines for not having it. I have Medicaid. So Obamacare being a problem forced on people is BS. There are ways over overcoming problems, talking to the right people helps.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited November 2016 Posts: 9,020
    @Murdock bad choosing of words, edited it.

    It's not easy being slightly left of the center politically. I am pretty mad right now at how those parties present(ed) themselves. I still will vote for them, I still have hope they learn. Luckily in my country we don't have a two party system but a multi-party system.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    @BondJasonBond006, No worries. I do admit Obamacare is garbage, their website alone is so complicated and impossible to set up to actually get health insurance that we actually went to a professional to get us set up and that eventually lead us to Medicade which I highly recommend to my fellow American's struggling with Health insurance or needing it.
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    I see Trump replacing those Pentagon generals and admirals with generals and admirals who suck up and vie for political favor. He will take this over competent men. He is used to running board rooms where everyone deferred to him, the Pentagon doesn't quite work like that so he will "You're Fired" and replace them with "yes men" loyal to him.

    that bloated Chris Christie and dementia Rudy Guiliani are already jockeying for a cabinet spot. I bet Guiliani is holding out for Attorney General and Christie...you tell me.

    this is the first sign of rot when the leader surrounds himself "yes men" instead of the "best man" for the job.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Shortly after I saw Trump winning, I wasn't that much surprised actually.

    I was, actually. I even believed the Americans would turn the voting map blue. Admittedly I fell for the media propaganda/polls. I will never believe their lies again.

    One thing that Trump might have facilitated on a larger scale is further normalization of right-wing populism. I wouldn't be surprised if Marine le Pen becomes the next French president.

    Le Pen's chances have risen considerably now. Especially if Trump will do some things fast and successfully, which he will. But of course it'll be on Hollande for the greatest part and not on Trump.

    Now, at least 36 hours later, I actually feel more sick in my stomach. I think it'll go away eventually. But at the moment I can only see a rise of angry working-class people who start realizing in 4 years from now that their factory jobs won't come back.....

    I'm angry, I feel dizzy, I am disappointed. But not because of the voters but because of the idiotically blind and deaf Democratic elite. They had the chance of their lifetime to renew themselves with Bernie Or Warren.

    In four years, Trump will have had a lot of success. The man knows his business and he will first do the things he knows he actually can realise. He will be re-elected unless the Democrats change, but they won't.
  • Posts: 2,918
    jobo wrote: »
    Anthony Horowitz? Barbara Broccoli? Are you listening?

    Her Majesty is:
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    You know I saw this post yesterday: " I hope you remembered to set your clocks back 60 years"

    seems like we have these times in history where the country starts to make strives forward then ka-boom some event and they take five steps backwards.

    Post Cival War many blacks elected to Congress and state houses. Then after reconstruction and around the late 1880's there was this white backlash and here comes Jim Crow, more lynchings, and the "separate but equal' ruling by the High Courts in 1890's.
    During WW1 the world was rapidly changing and many black veterans who had answered the call to"make the world safe for democracy" saw how they were treated in Europe and said, "WTF?" they came home to bloody race riots, lynchings where white society set about to keep the blacks "in their place" after seeing Paris.
    The 1960's and 1970's saw much progress and opportunities for education, colleges were actively recruiting minority students and we force a crooked President out of office and ended the wasteful and illegal war in SE Asia. then along came Ronald Reagan...he all but put an end to affirmative action, slashed student loan programs and mental counseling and built up the military and began looking for places to "throw our weight around the world".
    And in 2008 we elected our first man of color as POTUS and after all the race baiting and hate mongering against him (a decent man) the country turns to the likes of Donald Trump in the next election.

    So we've been there, done that. I will work to insure that this country does not go too far into the abyss and urge my fellow citizens to do the same. We cannot turn the clock back, we cannot become what Germany was in the 1930's.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    Obamacare certainly wasn't forced on me nor did I have to pay any fines for not having it. I have Medicaid. So Obamacare being a problem forced on people is BS. There are ways over overcoming problems, talking to the right people helps.
    My dad owns a small business. He pays for his insurance outright. The ACA affected him directly. Obamacares was absolutely forced on him. Costs have skyrocketed and coverage has dwindled. It may not have been forced on you but it has affected others...so much so that we have Prez Trump.

    Honestly, there are too many people have their insurance in some portion covered by their place of work. They arn't the ones being pushed and suffering. The entrepreneurs are.
  • @Murdock bad choosing of words, edited it.

    It's not easy being slightly left of the center politically. I am pretty mad right now at how those parties present(ed) themselves. I still will vote for them, I still have hope they learn. Luckily in my country we don't have a two party system but a multi-party system.
    I wonder how things would be different if the US had a multi party system. I really, really like the idea.

  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    bondjames wrote: »
    Regarding the election, one thing that is rather unfortunate is the failure of the polls. They have been wrong in other instances (including Brexit), but were horrendously off this time around. There was definitely a hidden Trump vote, most likely on account of the abuse most people took for being supporters. Moreover, apparently both the Latino and the African American vote for Trump was actually higher than for Romney.

    The voter modelling information was probably completely off as well.

    This reminds me very much of the failures that led to the Financial Crisis. Financial Institutions had Mathematics PhD's running complex scenario models of potential failure points in the financial system. They missed the subprime mortgage crisis and systemic spillover effects that led to the catastrophic collapse of the global financial system in 2008. So did the big three credit rating agencies. What do we pay these idiots for?

    These scenario models are only as good as the assumptions that are built into them.

    It reminds me of the discussion between M, Bond and Tanner in GE about analysts and whether the Goldeneye satellite actually existed.

    Next time out, watch the IBD/TIPP and the USCA/LA Times polls. They have been right in the past and nailed it this time as well.
    There was one poll I saw, or maybe study is a better word, that sussed out social media data, engagements, interactions etc. It crunched all the data and concluded Trump would win. He was racking up a lot of likes and other positive engagements on the various social media platforms.
    Engaged persons tend to vote.
    I read in the National Post today that Trump got 53% of the white female vote which is interesting, considering he was running against a white woman. Actually it's not that interesting. It just means those women preferred him to Hillary.
    There were surely numerous and varied reasons why they voted for him
    ie I don't vote along gender, racial or ethnic lines.
    Since I crossed over from camp lib, roughly 2005, I vote for the most small-c conservative candidate.


    @peter I am ok with Tory. I voted for Doug, but the beauty of having both Ford and Tory in the race is that it marginalized the Miller-Chow type vote. ie those that couldn't abide another Ford parked their vote with Tory, just to keep Ford out.
    Tory is competent. He respects the tax dollars.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Nothing better than watching the clowns on NBC Nightly News is complete shock,, after their golden girl fell. The media let the country down by giving Trump 99 % of the air time through out this shit show. The media is the great divide!

    Media have degenerated into packs of activist shills.
    I think in J school now, they much teach the art of how to deftly distort, misrepresent or exaggerate what someone actually said, yet posture appearance of objective reportage.
    Or maybe such advanced skill sets are drilled down in the newsrooms where jobs are on the line



  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I will be curious to see his cabinet. What the hell Pence is doing there is beyond me. A really bad omen.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    It'll be The Newt and Giuliani for sure. If so, please appoint Palin as well. It'll be the trio of hell.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    TripAces wrote: »
    So let me get this straight.. trump says he wants to deport illegal immigrants/Mexicans and the take away from that is "Trump wants to deport all Mexicans" so are they implying ALL Mexicans are here illegally?? That's kind of racist..

    "Bigot", "Bigot", blah blah blah...

    God forbid someone tells the truth and he is a racist. You have illegals pouring in through Texas where I live getting free housing, free healthcare and free college which I am not offered and I am an American citizen who pays tons of taxes.

    They get paid in cash and don't report their income either.

    I mean let's look at the facts....

    All celebrity men are Christian men and never say anything discriminating towards women? Wrong! Everyone in America worships these artist who talk about threesomes, referring to women as b1tches and hoes,etc and that's totally cool but the minute a tape leaks of a guy joking around which 90% of grown men do it's such a horrible thing.

    Hillary was being investigated by the FBI and they found nothing wrong okay then they re open the case.

    Whether she was innocent or guilty the bigger picture is that the average American watches tv and says oh my god she's being investigated by the FBI she is a criminal! That definitely did not help her election at all..

    There's video footage of Hillary flat out saying she hates gays and does not support them and then what two years later "I love the gays!!". Video of Obama dissing Hillary and saying she is bad for America. I mean come on.

    If you actually listen to Trump's speech he just gave he labeled out perfectly what he wants to do and it's honestly amazing. America used to be the best country in the world, business was booming, everyone wanted to come to America and live the American dream!

    Eight years of Obama and what do we get? Overpriced healthcare? I had to drop insurance way to expensive.

    Imagine being twenty two and working 6-7 days a week, paying car insurance, health insurance, rent, gas/food and oh yeah trying to pay for college. It's not easy but I never complain. It is funny how Clinton supporters posted statuses saying she would obviously win and Trump supporters are delusional and butt hurt but oh wait the Republicans and Trump won by a landslide.

    You're young @CASINOROYALE. You're forgiven. And since you likely attended a Texas public high school, it also means you have gone on to college with little grasp of U.S. History, certainly that which has occurred since WWII.

    You seem to think that all of the problems of the world began just 8 years ago. Fact is, they didn't.

    First of all, the borders have always been a sieve, and the problem worsened not when Obama took office or even when Bill Clinton took office. Nope. The President who first signed legislation that opened the doors to amnesty and further immigration was the Lord Ronald Reagan, champion of the Conservative cause, that mythic man of Liberty himself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/30/in-1986-congress-tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/

    Furthermore, the fact that illegal immigrants (really, those who have been brought to the country since they were very young) get free college tuition is a state issue. Not a federal issue. So you should take that up with your governor and state legislature. Don't you think?

    To continue on this point, you really contradict yourself here in a way that exposes your racism. At one point, you complain that America is no longer great because people don't want to come here anymore. Yet you also bemoan the fact that people are coming here--or, are you saying the "wrong" people? The ones with brown skin? You've really backed yourself into a corner with this.

    As for healthcare, the ACA needed to be fixed. Most laws do, especially enormous pieces of legislation like the ACA. The fixes were simple, but as you may or may not know (hard to tell because of that Texas thing), the legislative branch is where laws are written. So any fixes to the ACA have to start there--and, well, that branch of government is controlled by Republicans who refused to help on that matter. So they let the ACA fall apart to score political points, while at the same time forcing you to suffer financially. How does it feel to be a pawn in the Republicans' "war of ideology" against Democrats? Well, I hate to tell you, it's only going to get worse. It might be harder to afford all of those things you mentioned if Trump and the Rs do away with minimum wage--which they might try to do. Trump keeps wavering back and forth on this issue. And your college tuition keeps rising because states are cutting their (required) funding for them. But I am sure you will somehow find a way to blame Democrats for the budget cuts to education.

    And then there's this: at age 22, didn't you know that you qualify to be on your parents' insurance?
    @CR Don't feel any need to respond to this partisan drivel. He finessed a way to call you a racist naturally, just in case you didn't know you were one of course. Such a helpful chap.
    He insults Texas too naturally.
    Maybe if you ask nicely he might visit and do a public speaking tour - school the entire state, especially the young people who of course can't possibly know anything about anything.


  • Since joining this group I’ve avoided this particular thread. First because it isn’t about the 007 world, my reason for joining, and second to avoid getting caught up in the usual line in the sand discussions that revolve around politics. Now that the election is over I’ve very little to say but figured I’d say it now and get it over with. It’s patently absurd to think that somehow the election of one man is going to turn the United States into some sort of a fascist dictatorship. People who believe that should go back and read history, I’d suggest starting with The Nightmare Years by William Shirer, firsthand accounts are always excellent sources, and then continue on reading from there. As a home owner in rural America I might be considered one of the “deplorables”, and can honestly say it’s an insult to some very wonderful American’s to call them that (emphasis on the title “Americans”, something hard won by many, many generations of families, from all backgrounds and stations in life). All those who dislike the presidential winner didn’t think he’d be elected, and I doubt that any of them have the slightest idea what he will or won’t do as leader of one of the largest and most powerful countries is the modern world. The greatest thing about the American system is that governance is controlled by three separate powers, and it’s that way to prevent one dominating and therefore overthrowing the Constitution, the basis for the structures of law and order in America. The hyperbole that flows around the current presidential winner is tragic, but reflects just how rigid most people are in their thinking not to mention education and experience, or as I once said to a highly place individual with a “been there done that “ wall of recognition”, “…did you really graduate from a school someplace or did they just give you that parchment to get rid of you.” The Democratic candidate lost not because of some great rightwing fascist plot by the deplorables, but because some very decent American’s didn’t feel she was representing their needs. The 44th President did his best, and somethings worked and were good and other things were poor decisions, most likely the same will be true of the 45th President.
  • Posts: 4,622
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Whatever the case is, I really hope this destroys the Republican and Democratic parties. For too long we've suffered with this one or the other crap.
    YES.
    We need a political buffet. THEN competition comes into play.
    I can relate to this. it would be nice to have a selection of candidates from each party. Maybe three each.
    Party with the most total votes gets the electoral college votes, but when all is done, the candidate with the most votes spread across all states gets the White House.
    As a conservative voter I would then have choice of maybe Trump, Paul Ryan or say Romney.
    In this case I would vote Ryan, which would count as GOP vote in the electoral college.
    If GOP won the EC and thus the White House, my vote would also count as one for Ryan to be the guy that gets to play Kevin Spacey (my favourite TV Prez) and sit behind that awesome desk, and look out the window into the Rose Garden, ahead of either Romney or Trump
    Parties could still have their big conventions except this time three nominees would be selected.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @timmer: I agree, Tory respects the taxpayer and has done a competent job. Chow would have been disastrous. But don't worry, her step son Layton jr will be running any year now (carrying daddy's legacy with him),
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    timmer wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    So let me get this straight.. trump says he wants to deport illegal immigrants/Mexicans and the take away from that is "Trump wants to deport all Mexicans" so are they implying ALL Mexicans are here illegally?? That's kind of racist..

    "Bigot", "Bigot", blah blah blah...

    God forbid someone tells the truth and he is a racist. You have illegals pouring in through Texas where I live getting free housing, free healthcare and free college which I am not offered and I am an American citizen who pays tons of taxes.

    They get paid in cash and don't report their income either.

    I mean let's look at the facts....

    All celebrity men are Christian men and never say anything discriminating towards women? Wrong! Everyone in America worships these artist who talk about threesomes, referring to women as b1tches and hoes,etc and that's totally cool but the minute a tape leaks of a guy joking around which 90% of grown men do it's such a horrible thing.

    Hillary was being investigated by the FBI and they found nothing wrong okay then they re open the case.

    Whether she was innocent or guilty the bigger picture is that the average American watches tv and says oh my god she's being investigated by the FBI she is a criminal! That definitely did not help her election at all..

    There's video footage of Hillary flat out saying she hates gays and does not support them and then what two years later "I love the gays!!". Video of Obama dissing Hillary and saying she is bad for America. I mean come on.

    If you actually listen to Trump's speech he just gave he labeled out perfectly what he wants to do and it's honestly amazing. America used to be the best country in the world, business was booming, everyone wanted to come to America and live the American dream!

    Eight years of Obama and what do we get? Overpriced healthcare? I had to drop insurance way to expensive.

    Imagine being twenty two and working 6-7 days a week, paying car insurance, health insurance, rent, gas/food and oh yeah trying to pay for college. It's not easy but I never complain. It is funny how Clinton supporters posted statuses saying she would obviously win and Trump supporters are delusional and butt hurt but oh wait the Republicans and Trump won by a landslide.

    You're young @CASINOROYALE. You're forgiven. And since you likely attended a Texas public high school, it also means you have gone on to college with little grasp of U.S. History, certainly that which has occurred since WWII.

    You seem to think that all of the problems of the world began just 8 years ago. Fact is, they didn't.

    First of all, the borders have always been a sieve, and the problem worsened not when Obama took office or even when Bill Clinton took office. Nope. The President who first signed legislation that opened the doors to amnesty and further immigration was the Lord Ronald Reagan, champion of the Conservative cause, that mythic man of Liberty himself. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/30/in-1986-congress-tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/

    Furthermore, the fact that illegal immigrants (really, those who have been brought to the country since they were very young) get free college tuition is a state issue. Not a federal issue. So you should take that up with your governor and state legislature. Don't you think?

    To continue on this point, you really contradict yourself here in a way that exposes your racism. At one point, you complain that America is no longer great because people don't want to come here anymore. Yet you also bemoan the fact that people are coming here--or, are you saying the "wrong" people? The ones with brown skin? You've really backed yourself into a corner with this.

    As for healthcare, the ACA needed to be fixed. Most laws do, especially enormous pieces of legislation like the ACA. The fixes were simple, but as you may or may not know (hard to tell because of that Texas thing), the legislative branch is where laws are written. So any fixes to the ACA have to start there--and, well, that branch of government is controlled by Republicans who refused to help on that matter. So they let the ACA fall apart to score political points, while at the same time forcing you to suffer financially. How does it feel to be a pawn in the Republicans' "war of ideology" against Democrats? Well, I hate to tell you, it's only going to get worse. It might be harder to afford all of those things you mentioned if Trump and the Rs do away with minimum wage--which they might try to do. Trump keeps wavering back and forth on this issue. And your college tuition keeps rising because states are cutting their (required) funding for them. But I am sure you will somehow find a way to blame Democrats for the budget cuts to education.

    And then there's this: at age 22, didn't you know that you qualify to be on your parents' insurance?
    @CR Don't feel any need to respond to his partisan drivel. He finessed a way to call you a racist naturally, just in case you didn't know you were one of course. Such a helpful chap.
    He insults Texas too naturally.
    Maybe if you ask nicely he might visit and do a public speaking tour - school the entire state, especially the young people who of course can't possibly know anything about anything.


    Thanks ;)
    Funny, all of my classes in high school and college we started from the very beginning of history up to now.
    In college I took Texas government, USA government and American History. I guess that's not enough history? Sure it is hard to believe that a man who I grew up watching on NBC's Apprentice is the president but when you read his 100 day plan and actually do your research he knows what he is doing..

    I saw this one post about how you could say "We need to deport illegal Mexicans who have a strong criminal history and are cartel members" and the takeaway was "I hate blacks and Mexicans!!" Typical!

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    Germanlady wrote: »
    If you want change in whatsoever, turn it upside down and start new. The US and all the US relaited politics desperately need a change. So this is the chance. Whether or not it will work out - we shall see. Making peace with Russia and cutting TTIP is a great start. I believe, he didn't take it seriously so far. He got in with nothing to loose, so he just let it go. Yesterdays speech, which for the first time seemed genuine and emotional gave the hope, that he now takes it seriously and maybe proves to be much better then anybody expects. A possibility - nobody knows. But until we have seen him do his job for a year or so, people should just give him that chance. Be proud America chose to NOT listen to the crap of the mainstream media and free themselves from that influence. That's a huge step forward. Same with Brexit. They should learn from that,. that the sheep herd is breaking out and shows them their middle finger. Bravo!!
    Good Speech @GL! Yes bravo, the sheep are running about! Frisky!
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited November 2016 Posts: 4,043
    I went to see this guy live recently he's a fictional TV newscaster who speaks his mind inbetween broadcasts.

    It's his latest video below that seems to sum it up and he's on the nose for me.

    https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED&fref=nf
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    He an anti intellectual, supported by anti intellectual everymen who are going to do nothing to provide solutions to the major problems facing the world.

    He just reinforces the global stereotype that Americans are classless, stupid, insular, brash, loud, vain, arrogant arseholes.
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