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If you truly believe that, then this might be of interest:
In short, protest all censorship then (Although I do disagree that locking a topic with the right arguments isn't about censorship).
I think you don't get my argument. I just hoped.....sincerely hoped that this news related to Mike Pence and his ideas regarding censorship might open a fruitful discussion about the very issue of censorship.
Instead, you imply that I want to close stuff that doesn't suit my views. That has nothing to do with it really. The thing is......there's almost no real contents in here anymore. It's just a bucketload of populist verbal wars in here. And when I do post something about political contents and policy, it's ignored for the sake of posting tweets with no illustration or explanation, or youtube videos. Polarization in here has increased tremendously I think. And in a polarized environment, fruitful discussions are usually absent.
Moreover, if this topic stays open, I don't mind either.
For the record, I am against all censorship, unless it is of a personal/family nature, if it will impact an important executive decision prior to it being made (after the fact decisions are fine by me - which is why I had no problems with the wikileaks revelations), or if it is a matter of national security in the sense that it will compromise the lives of American citizens either at home or abroad.
Could I choose I would say no.
This and some other threads have really disrupted the insular little fun world we had discussing, arguing Bond. Sometimes with heated arguments, yes. But always about Bond.
Agreed.
Now now, @bondjames, surely you're smarter than to want some gun owning coo-coo to maw people down. That man should never have been attacked and those people need to spend some time playing mommy and daddy with a Mexican wrestler in a maximum security prison. But if we're going to insist on just executing people left and right, we're no better than ISIS decapitating people who aren't too fond of their silly beliefs. No matter what Trump has said during his campaign, we must at all times preserve law and order if we intend to remain civilised. Those anti-Trump protesters who committed to violence and aggression are no better than the very thing they were protesting against and therefore have to be severely punished. But I for one do NOT want to see some retard with a gun dropping them like sitting ducks. Violence begets violence, and before you know it, the streets of America can get very hot.
If I'm not mistaken, Chicago (where this attack took place) does have a concealed firearm law, and folks can carry weapons. Moreover, the law generally states that someone who is attacked should retreat if possible and use reasonable force where possible. Having said that, there is also a 'Stand Your Ground' doctrine applicable in certain states (I'm not sure about illinois), and in these cases, one does not have a duty to retreat (in essence, it extends the 'Castle Doctrine' outside the home).
I think it's presumptous to assume that someone who is being attacked like the man in the video was would be a 'retard' for shooting in self defense, as you seem to suggest. Perhaps you misunderstood my earlier statement, which I was making in reference to being viciously attacked like that, and then I can understand your comments. I'm not advocating for vigilantes taking the law into their own hands.
Leaving the politics out of it, if they were to do that to someone else in the future, and the victim chose to use a concealed weapon to defend himself, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. He'd be doing the world a favour as far as I'm concerned.
Gone is the nuanced @BondJames :-(. The man I disagreed with on too many occasions, but who at least had the guts to speak out in an articulated way. But ever since Trump got elected...........polarization and divisiveness has become more apparent. And with it also a more scary kind of support for the next president-elect. I just don't see well-meant 'open arms' and necessary 'reaching out for positive unity' from Trump (so far).
@BondJames? You know what I said when Obama got elected in 2008?
Nothing of that so far from Trump. And sadly, it's very much absent with you as well.
@bondjames I get your post, to be honest, after seing the clips I had the same thought and I can admit that without losing any sleep.
The moral high ground. Something which certainly is associated to the Democrats (or other center-left political parties around the world) easily these days.
I said this before, Hillary using the term "deplorables" may have lost her the Presidency. Sure, there were many factors that made Trump win the election, but that one may have been a deciding one.
Arrogance, ignorance and treat people condescendingly. That's what lost them, the Democrats, the election.
One should think, they would learn. But no, they search excuses elsewhere.
The latest craze is to blame Facebook and Zuckerberg. That's what I call deplorable.
And no, I am not a fan of Trump. And no, I am not a fan of FB, even if I use it for limited purposes.
Trump has called for unity several times. It's the protesters that won't hear the call. We're still waiting on them to accept the democratic decision of the people. As soon as they can do that, order can be restored.
I didn't mean you with that statement (touchy) :) just speaking generally about the participants in this thread. Sorry should have made that clearer.
Gustav, as for NOT reacting to posted links or written opinion - I have that all the time, as people normally don't react to the stuff I post or write and try to react with an intelligent discussion but instead do their best to ridicule me or piss on my parade.
Grow up, such is life. Don't let that bother you. have your say and be done with it.
Well said GL. =D>
I don't believe Obama and many other politicians are inherently bad people. I just think that they are beholden. That is the major problem. The system that gets them elected makes them obliged to their donors. It's part of the culture - one of entitlement and graft. Obama, to his credit, was also an outsider of sorts. However, he wasn't as forceful a personality as Trump nor was he willing to ruffle feathers as much. He proved his mettle (with Bibi, and again during the Syrian fiasco of 2013), but he also faced tremendous hostility due to his colour and perhaps because of his youth. I continue to believe that he made a big mistake ramming through Obamacare in his first term. The economy was still on shaky ground then, and he lost a lot of support due to his desire to follow through on that early partisan campaign promise, when he should have focused more on the impacts of the unexpected but catastrophic financial crisis. Overall, I think his economic stewardship has been terrible, although he didn't receive support from Congress for a lot of his plans. The Federal Reserve has basically propped the world economy up for 9 years but has in turn created serious imbalances, most notably in rising income disparities and dangerously over inflated asset prices.
Trump is a wrecking ball. Tough as nails. He's already proven that during this campaign. I expect him to be uncompromising in focusing on the economy and jobs which is his primary interest. The deficit is likely to blow up in the near term, but the growth rate will finally accelerate if he gets tax reform, and share prices and bond yields suggest that the financial markets feel that way as well.
He is as close to an 'independent' in the White House as we're likely to get for quite some time. A man likely to support Democratic choices as much as Republican ones depending on the scenario. A true political outsider beholden to nobody because he fought nearly everyone on the way there. The only one he really owes anything to is the voter.
I look forward to some interesting cabinet appointments and hope that he can reach across the aisle for some important posts. People will say what they want to say, but I am positive and look forward to this administration being bold and combative where needed and doing what it must to boost the American economy.
Whose the blonde on Trump's right. I 100% support her appointment to whatever she has been appointed to.
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If she is a new first family daughter, and I am too lazy too look it up, I hope she attends lots of public events. Tres photogenic!
If she is a minor perchance, my comments are purely plutonic. O:-)
So if we choose to fight here, let's fight over BOND opinions and leave the political s**t to the world outside. We've beat this particular horse to a pulp, and if anyone wants to open a new specific political DISCUSSION thread (not the Wrestlemania this has become since the election results) they can.
For now, I formally ask this thread be closed. It has outlived it's original purpose.
I like all of the Bond actors, but only Shatner is Kirk.
Oh yes, Kirk is the best all the way. Nobody can top Shatner, not even Pine though I do like him. ;)
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