The Next American President Thread (2016)

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  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Completely different ball games.
    Yes, but that's how it always is in my view. Things never repeat in exactly the same manner.

    Look, I'm not advocating for the man necessarily, but he is definitely still being grossly underestimated. We will see this over the next couple of weeks imho.

    He is the anti-Obama, just like Reagan was the anti-Carter and Obama is the anti-Bush.

    He shouldn't be anywhere near the Presidency. It's embarrassing. This is real life, not a cartoon.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    RC7 wrote: »
    He shouldn't be anywhere near the Presidency. It's embarrassing. This is real life, not a cartoon.
    The American voters will make that decision either way, as they should.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    He shouldn't be anywhere near the Presidency. It's embarrassing. This is real life, not a cartoon.
    The American voters will make that decision either way, as they should.

    I've no doubt about that, it just looks very bad. I'm aware the hardcore Trump supporters think the Middle East is a hotbed of uneducated idiots, but they feel the same. Doesn't send out a good message.
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    There is a lot that's embarrassing about the state of the US political system, not just Trump's rise to the top of the Republican party. Both parties have been an outright embarrassment in recent years, ignoring the will of the people, even on things that show the American people polling at 90% agreement about such as gun control, because they're in the pockets of special interests.

    What I'm hopeful for is that this Trump candidacy is the culmination of all that nonsense, the final straw that will finally break the system. Yes, it's not a good thing that Trump has become as popular as he has, but he's done so because he's the only one railing against a system that has become oppressive, mostly economically so, to its own people. Hopefully moving forward, the parties will see that they actually have to listen to the people outside of Wall Street and big business and work for all of us, if for no other reason than nothing like this election ever happens again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    He shouldn't be anywhere near the Presidency. It's embarrassing. This is real life, not a cartoon.
    The American voters will make that decision either way, as they should.

    I've no doubt about that, it just looks very bad. I'm aware the hardcore Trump supporters think the Middle East is a hotbed of uneducated idiots, but they feel the same. Doesn't send out a good message.
    Fair enough, but Obama sent out all the good messages one could, and the Middle East is still ablaze.

    That place is currently undergoing a messy transition from long term dictators to 'who knows what' at this point (new dictators in some countries, ISIL in other countries, muslim brotherhood yet elsewhere etc. etc.). It will be very messy for a very long time, because too many big powers have interests there.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    The UK wants something similar, to close the borders. That's what this whole referendum is about and why UKIP got over 3 million votes in the last election. Point being, this isn't Trumps idea, he is just tapping into a feeling that is sweeping through much of the western world.

    It's a shame that Bernie probably won't beat Hilary now. Bernie vs Trump would've made a much more exciting match up, not to mention BS is the better candidate.

    I think Trump will crush Hilary simply by repeating over and over the fact that she received donations and he is self funded. Plus he is the type of strong leader America is looking for, he can do no wrong with the American people.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I think Trump will crush Hilary simply by repeating over and over the fact that she received donations and he is self funded.

    Tomorrow's news today...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    dalton wrote: »
    Hopefully moving forward, the parties will see that they actually have to listen to the people outside of Wall Street and big business and work for all of us, if for no other reason than nothing like this election ever happens again.
    Things seem to get more interesting & extreme with each cycle. I wonder what's in store 4 yrs from now. Kanye West? Hulk Hogan?
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    dalton wrote: »
    Hopefully moving forward, the parties will see that they actually have to listen to the people outside of Wall Street and big business and work for all of us, if for no other reason than nothing like this election ever happens again.
    Things seem to get more interesting & extreme with each cycle. I wonder what's in store 4 yrs from now. Kanye West? Hulk Hogan?

    Likely. If it happens I expect you to bite the bullet and and flick the nuclear switch.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    dalton wrote: »
    Hopefully moving forward, the parties will see that they actually have to listen to the people outside of Wall Street and big business and work for all of us, if for no other reason than nothing like this election ever happens again.
    Things seem to get more interesting & extreme with each cycle. I wonder what's in store 4 yrs from now. Kanye West? Hulk Hogan?

    Likely. If it happens I expect you to bite the bullet and and flick the nuclear switch.
    Like I said earlier, I'm getting my bunker ready. May consider getting some property in New Zealand too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I wonder what's in store 4 yrs from now. Kanye West? Hulk Hogan?
    I'd go with Jesse 'I don't have time to bleed' Ventura.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    dalton wrote: »
    Hopefully moving forward, the parties will see that they actually have to listen to the people outside of Wall Street and big business and work for all of us, if for no other reason than nothing like this election ever happens again.
    Things seem to get more interesting & extreme with each cycle. I wonder what's in store 4 yrs from now. Kanye West? Hulk Hogan?

    Likely. If it happens I expect you to bite the bullet and and flick the nuclear switch.
    Like I said earlier, I'm getting my bunker ready. May consider getting some property in New Zealand too.

    Considering it myself. If I can get a gig writing Thunderbirds!
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    I wonder which country the incoming President will decide to invade first? Probably Mexico if it's nutjob Trump.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 1,631
    Birdleson wrote: »
    That's a loud segment. Most Americans abhor him, and that number isn't shrinking.

    Both Clinton and Trump feature over 50% unfavorable rating. Of the latest 10 favorability polls, Hillary Clinton averages a 53.4% unfavorable rating whereas Trump averages out at 56.9% unfavorable. Trump is higher, but it's not that wide of a margin.

    Hillary Clinton Favorable Ratings
    Donald Trump Favorable Ratings

    Looking at the line graphs provided for each candidate, Hillary's unfavorable rating is on the rise while Trump's, over the course of his campaign, has trended slightly downward.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Independents are going to win this election probably. That's where the key is going to be. Who motivates them to come out, if at all.
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    The Republicans do not want Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders picking the next Supreme Court justices. They also despise Hillary Clinton with a passion. They'll rally around Trump if he's the nominee, even if they have to hold their nose while doing it, if for no other reason than to keep Clinton out of the White House.
  • Plus he is the type of strong leader America is looking for, he can do no wrong with the American people.

    Excuse me? I'm "the American people" as much as anybody else on this board -- and Trump can do no RIGHT as far as I'm concerned! If you really think America is looking "a strong leader" at the expense of all else, then I think you gravely under-estimate the American people.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I wonder which country the incoming President will decide to invade first? Probably Mexico if it's nutjob Trump.

    If it's Bernie, probably none (which is why he might lose), any other of the clowns will bend to the will & whim of the Military Industrial Complex. We will NOT invade Mexico because they are right next door, and would require no significant production of either planes nor drones. More likely the Middle East (AGAIN! The Military Industrial Complex's training ground, shooting range & cash cow). [-(
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    dalton wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    That's a loud segment. Most Americans abhor him, and that number isn't shrinking.

    Both Clinton and Trump feature over 50% unfavorable rating. Of the latest 10 favorability polls, Hillary Clinton averages a 53.4% unfavorable rating whereas Trump averages out at 56.9% unfavorable. Trump is higher, but it's not that wide of a margin.

    Hillary Clinton Favorable Ratings
    Donald Trump Favorable Ratings

    Looking at the line graphs provided for each candidate, Hillary's unfavorable rating is on the rise while Trump's, over the course of his campaign, has trended slightly downward.

    Trump is probably the most liberal republican. He supports social security, even planned parenthood in some capacity. I think he has a greater chance of capturing independants than someone like Cruz or Rubio.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 3,566
    chrisisall wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I wonder which country the incoming President will decide to invade first? Probably Mexico if it's nutjob Trump.

    If it's Bernie, probably none (which is why he might lose), any other of the clowns will bend to the will & whim of the Military Industrial Complex. We will NOT invade Mexico because they are right next door, and would require no significant production of either planes nor drones. More likely the Middle East (AGAIN! The Military Industrial Complex's training ground, shooting range & cash cow). [-(

    From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores Of Tripoli? (As Patrick McGoohan reminded us long ago, Six of of one, half-a-dozen of the other...)
  • bondjames wrote: »
    No mat

    No matter what the polls say right now, if it's Clinton vs. Trump, Trump will take it in a landslide. I'm sure of it.

    Apparently in the north east some union leaders (Dem's) are starting to panic because their members (including minorities) have started to show support for Trump.

    Not surprising. Actually Trump is pretty liberal on many social issues. I think people are just looking for someone who will protect the country and fix our economic problems. More of a libertarian philosophy than anything else. I think social issues are pretty low priority for most people though.

  • edited February 2016 Posts: 110
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Yes, play the alarmist card. Always sounds good.
    Well, if you think everything is hunky dory with regards to illegal immigration and the terrorist threat in the U.S., then you are either not paying attention or you are in denial. All I know is that wide open borders can attract some very dangerous people.
    In my experience when peeps say "All I know is.." that really IS all they know.
    I was 26 miles from the Trade Center on 9-11, my Brother-in-law was RIGHT THERE. And I don't go around hating or fearing Muslims, nor do I fear for my life from terrorist attacks. And NO, I'm not from Krypton, I just have a realistic sense of danger NOT handed to me by the right wing media but determined by research and decided upon using my OWN faculties. I guess I'm an independent that way, a Browncoat if you will.

    So you are going to try to pick apart my arguments based upon a figure of speech? Please!

    I never said I hate Muslims. I just hate terrorists who corrupt the Islamic religion the way they do. Unfortunately, it is a fact that most terrorists are extracted from Islam, even though most Muslims are not terrorists.

    And to clarify, I get my beliefs that terrorists are sneaking in here through open borders not from right wing media, but from common sense. When the borders are wide open, common sense says that some not so desirable people are going to sneak into this country without being caught. I don't need any right wing media to tell me that.

    By the way, I'm sorry that your brother-in-law had to witness that destruction on that day. I truly am happy that you and your brother-in-law were able to survive what turned out to be one of the darkest days in American history.
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    Trump is probably the most liberal republican. He supports social security, even planned parenthood in some capacity. I think he has a greater chance of capturing independants than someone like Cruz or Rubio.

    ...which is another reason Trump could very well split the Republican Party irretirevably rather than taking the Top Job. These theoretical independents have no loyalty to the Republican Party, they're just following the current cult of personality, a notoriously fickle beast. The party regulars are not likely to reconcile themselves to him...and it's awful hard to toss aside your own party's machinery and still win an election! Once the rank&file Republicans who've stood by the GOP over the great DemoLib vs. RepubliCon divide realize that they've obligated themselves to support a multiple divorcee who's a casino owner and (one-time?) supporter of abortion...once folks start looking into the number of illegal aliens who've picked up a paycheck from a Trump company (and don't believe even for a moment that none such exist!)...in short, once the game gets real and The Professionals get involved......ah, it's going to be the most remarkably ENTERTAINING political season I've ever seen!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I wish there was a law to keep Crazy out of the White House. Sanders is the only sane one of the bunch.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    And to clarify, I get my beliefs that terrorists are sneaking in here through open borders not from right wing media, but from common sense. When the borders are wide open, common sense says that some not so desirable people are going to sneak into this country without being caught. I don't need any right wing media to tell me that.
    The borders are only 'wide open' to those with money, like the 9-11 sh*theels well funded by Saudi money. Common folk seeking a better way of life (or even jerks that want to live as other than American on American soil) are not the problem. Seriously dude, we face more violence from our own stupid a-holes with guns than all IS terrorists combined.
  • dalton wrote: »
    Border security is something that has been long overdue to be discussed and actually fixed on the national level. I'm not one that's living in daily fear of a terrorist attack, but at the same time, there has to be some kind of common sense way for both parties to come together and make the border more secure.

    Between the drug trade and the potential for both criminals and terrorists to come across an unguarded border, it only makes sense to do something, even if the actual chances of something that we'd label as a terrorist attack is statistically low.

    Agreed 100%!
  • chrisisall wrote: »

    And to clarify, I get my beliefs that terrorists are sneaking in here through open borders not from right wing media, but from common sense. When the borders are wide open, common sense says that some not so desirable people are going to sneak into this country without being caught. I don't need any right wing media to tell me that.
    The borders are only 'wide open' to those with money, like the 9-11 sh*theels well funded by Saudi money. Common folk seeking a better way of life (or even jerks that want to live as other than American on American soil) are not the problem. Seriously dude, we face more violence from our own stupid a-holes with guns than all IS terrorists combined.

    Yeah but one terrorist can kill hundreds of times more people in one incident then people with guns here.

    Look, I don't live my life worried about a terrorist attack either. I don't let them dictate my life. However, it stands to reason that a wide open border will attract those types of people, and no one will be able to stop them.

    I have no issue with the motives of people that sneak in here trying to make a better life for themselves. They are not the threat when it comes to terrorism, although they will overwhelm our services. But from a violence standpoint, most of them are good people. But again, it only takes a few bad people to ruin a lot of peoples day.

    I'm not quite sure what you mean by the borders being wide-open for people with money. Please clarify.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    dalton wrote: »
    Border security is something that has been long overdue to be discussed and actually fixed on the national level. I'm not one that's living in daily fear of a terrorist attack, but at the same time, there has to be some kind of common sense way for both parties to come together and make the border more secure.

    Between the drug trade and the potential for both criminals and terrorists to come across an unguarded border, it only makes sense to do something, even if the actual chances of something that we'd label as a terrorist attack is statistically low.

    Agreed 100%!

    Border security was NEVER an issue for six years under Republican leadership. Even after 9/11, even after Michael Moore, of all people, pointed out lax security along our shores, not a single Republican made a bluster of border control and a better equipped Coast Guard. What happened was the economic downturn in 2007...and then, and only then, were the "illegals" seen as a problem. It was all of a sudden, with the "Muslim" "terrorist/illegal sympathizer" coming on board, that this become a hot-button issue.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think secure borders is just common sense personally, but I realize that at the moment it's being used for political posturing and pandering.

    Security is increasingly becoming a Western issue though. You will see it more so in Europe with all the migrants etc. and that will follow to N/A as well.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I'm not quite sure what you mean by the borders being wide-open for people with money. Please clarify.
    Most peeps coming here face months or even years of processing. Money greases that slow wheel. Our own intelligence community identifies those on the fast track, as they did with the Saudi-funded creeps, but since the Saudi's are out 'pals' the red flag was nixed by the higher ups that didn't want a 'problem'. Regular ass*oles wanting to f**k with us are held up, and properly inspected.
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