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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Of course what you say is correct, about a portion of the American electorate. The same can be said of any nation.

    The time for policy spotlighting and clarification is coming and one won't be able to hide behind bombast and generalizations for long.

    Collectively, I think the US electorate will make the right choice at the end of the day. I hope they make it out of 'hope' and not 'fear'. Out of 'positivity' and not 'negativity'.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Collectively, I think the US electorate will make the right choice at the end of the day. I hope they make it out of 'hope' and not 'fear'. Out of 'positivity' and not 'negativity'.
    Very positive comment here @bondjames.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited July 2016 Posts: 4,589
    Until now, it was inconceivable to me that Donald Trump could be elected President. It didn't add up. Now? I'm thinking it's 50/50, and that scares the s#!t out of me and many people I know. Recent polls are showing Trump and Clinton neck-and-neck in swing states. As expected, the email controversy has been a blow to Clinton. But it's not a temporary one, as Congress will continue to look into this and make news of it.

    A Trump presidency will lead to huge changes in the make up of the SCOTUS, the results of which would be lasting and far-reaching. In fact, I'll take it a step further. If Trump wins, and Republicans maintain control of congress, it'll be the end of progressivism in this country for a long, long time.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Just wait until the celebrities tell you how to vote. ...... they are wise ! :D

    Don't you love the nerve of some of them? Might as well get Carrot Top's reaction on the Dallas sniper shootings while we're at it, or interview Ice Cube on his thoughts on people shopping while leaving their dogs locked inside of hot vehicles.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I wonder if the same celebs living in America, making jokes about Boris Johnson.
    Will be as quick to make the same ones about President Trump :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    They'll all move to the UK (there goes that plan about controlling immigration post-Brexit) or to Canada.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    But they have to pay Tax in the UK ?
    I can't see that happening :D
  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
    Posts: 221
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    I wonder if the same celebs living in America, making jokes about Boris Johnson.
    Will be as quick to make the same ones about President Trump :))
    -A Wise Man Knows He Is Not A Wise Man; A Wise Woman Always SUSPECTS She's A Wise Woman-...And There's The FOX......!..!

    -Donald Ducking The Casino Reale Question' Trump; isn't that a duck chased by The Foxx..?!..!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a Unicorn

    ( No point in new material using ) ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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  • MyNameIsMyBondRnMyNameIsMyBondRn WhereYouLeastExpectMeToBe
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    bondjames wrote: »
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    ..Only The Evil Foxx is missing behind each Ear..!

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Gangsta Prez ! ;)
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    America will be the laughing stock of the world if Trump becomes the next President and you'll only have yourself to blame.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    America will be the laughing stock of the world if Trump becomes the next President and you'll only have yourself to blame.

    I'm pretty sure we've already reached that point, though the only ones to blame will be the morons that vote for him.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure we've already reached that point

    :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited July 2016 Posts: 4,043
    I was just being kind I didn't want to say but actually think America is utterly bonkers and can't understand your obesession with guns and the way you let your Politicians get away with everything, the fact that Nixon left Office untouched is always amazed me.

    It seems as Commanding Chief you can get away with everything maybe Francis Underwood isn't that far fetched.

    At least in the UK we seem to hopefully holding our politicians to account in the light of Chilcot, although if Blair does answer then really Bush should as well but I won't hold my breath.

    To be honest we can't talk a number of people are patting themselves on the back in the UK PM thread and thinking Boris will make a great Foreign Secretary despite the fact he has said some questionable things in an article he wrote in 2002, water melon smiles and picaninny describing African children

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36793900/boris-johnsons-most-controversial-foreign-insults

    The Obama comment just sounded utterly desperate, worthy of Trump.

    Deeply offensive but hey why let that get in the way of his so called charismatic bubbling about that seems to seduce so many sheep in this country. Do we really want this racist idiot representing us on the Foreign stage?

    The man never wanted to leave Europe that much is true from the look on his face the next day. I think May might have actually given him the job as way of saying you can sort this mess out now Bo Jo.

    As for Trump, I can't believe someone in this thread are saying he's credible and worthy of the job I wonder if @bondjames is just in this thread for shits and giggles with the some of the stuff he's saying about Drumpf.

    I mean I'm sure he said he was shrewd operator, he can't even string a cohesive sentence together but then again he has all the best words. Also he said he was a great business man when he's had more chapter 11's than a publishing house.

    Like I said a laughing stock and if fellow U.S citizens are thinking this way maybe you will get him sitting in the White House after November.

    Trump and Johnson together, we are seriously damned!

  • daltondalton
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    America will be the laughing stock of the world if Trump becomes the next President and you'll only have yourself to blame.

    I'm pretty sure we've already reached that point, though the only ones to blame will be the morons that vote for him.

    Exactly.

    Only four people will really benefit from a Donald presidency. Donald, of course. Then Bush and Obama. The Democrats who hate Bush and the Republicans who hate Obama will rather quickly pine for the old days when their levels of perceived competency were what they bashed as being the worst ever. And, finally, the company that prints those "Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy" bumper stickers. They'll make a fortune.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2016 Posts: 23,883
    @Shardlake, I realize you were a Remainer, but it's done now and it's best to get over it. Boris Johnson is the Foreign Secretary, whether you like it or not. He has said some silly things in the past, but the man appears genuine and is popular. May seems to think he's up for it, and I personally think she's exhibited fine judgement so far, and he'll do a splendid job.

    Regarding Trump: this is a binary choice between him or Clinton. Both ridiculously bad choices at the end of the day if you think about it for the world's most powerful nation. Of the two of them, he is the one who has the political 'movement' that is in opposition to his party's bigwigs, which is in direct contrast to his opponent. Of the two, he is the more open and less stage managed. He has proven to be as much a disrupter of the American political class system as Apple was to phones, and I give him credit for that. We are long overdue for a shakeup. The next four months will give him plenty of opportunity to demonstrate if he is up to the moment that he has fallen into, or conversely, if he is not. His success to date has been no surprise to me and no, it has nothing to do with the electorate being stupid and neither does Brexit.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited July 2016 Posts: 12,480
    It's still all over the news, in many countries, @bondjames - Boris being less than a stellar choice. It is the joke of the moment; unfortunately, it is true. We will not be "getting over it" any time soon, whether we live in Britain or not. He has said more than just "silly" things. It will be interesting, that is the only sure thing.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2016 Posts: 23,883
    It's an unconventional pick @4EverBonded, but I'm a firm believer that a man (or woman) can step up to the plate and deliver when the moment calls for it. Boris is sharp politically and knows how to sell a vision for Britain globally. That is the priority for now (the relationship with the EU will sort itself out in time based on commercial and political interests) and Theresa May knows it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Bor-eeesss!
    "I am invinceeeeble!"
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It's an unconventional pick @4EverBonded, but I'm a firm believer that a man (or woman) can step up to the plate and deliver when the moment calls for it. Boris is sharp politically and knows how to sell a vision for Britain globally. That is the priority for now (the relationship with the EU will sort itself out in time based on commercial and political interests) and Theresa May knows it.

    Is there not ONE gene in your body that says: Ooowh, wait, I think we do have a problem.

    All your arguments are mostly very nuanced and detailed. But they always tend to favor the populist voices of today's society. It is as if you want to be the sane, calm denominator of clowns like Trump, Johnson, Farage, Wilders, Le Pen and others.

    --> About Brexit? You say it will not be so bad in the end. It will be an opportunity to make the UK flourish.
    --> About Donald Trump? You admire him for being such a wonderful orator and media personality. You say he's the rebuilder that the USA needs.
    --> About the immigrant crisis? You say individual small sovereign countries in Europe (our continent has 51 countries you know? Not 3 big ones, like the USA, Canada and Mexico) can solve it alone, and no EU is needed.
    --> About democracy? You think the 'purest', and 'most direct form' of democracy is the best, and not a more indirect democracy in which the best 'referendum' is the actual elections every four years were we tend to give a mandate to govern, without constantly question it.
    --> About the EU? Well, what more can I say.

    And there are way more of your 'calm', 'nuanced' arguments that obviously make people feel reassured and positive. But frankly? I just don't buy it. I simply don't buy it. And although I'm in a minority here and will probably be 'typecasted' again as a fear monger, I do have to ask you this one more time: Is there not ONE gene in your sane body that can look to the other side of the coin and that makes you.....worried? Or that, only for a very small part, changes your criticism of the establishment, of the elite? And also sum up some weaknesses of today's populism?

    If you can't do that, then your nuance and calmness isn't resulting in a more balanced view on the above things.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    It's an unconventional pick @4EverBonded, but I'm a firm believer that a man (or woman) can step up to the plate and deliver when the moment calls for it. Boris is sharp politically and knows how to sell a vision for Britain globally. That is the priority for now (the relationship with the EU will sort itself out in time based on commercial and political interests) and Theresa May knows it.

    Is there not ONE gene in your body that says: Ooowh, wait, I think we do have a problem.

    All your arguments are mostly very nuanced and detailed. But they always tend to favor the populist voices of today's society. It is as if you want to be the sane, calm denominator of clowns like Trump, Johnson, Farage, Wilders, Le Pen and others.

    --> About Brexit? You say it will not be so bad in the end. It will be an opportunity to make the UK flourish.
    --> About Donald Trump? You admire him for being such a wonderful orator and media personality. You say he's the rebuilder that the USA needs.
    --> About the immigrant crisis? You say individual small sovereign countries in Europe (our continent has 51 countries you know? Not 3 big ones, like the USA, Canada and Mexico) can solve it alone, and no EU is needed.
    --> About democracy? You think the 'purest', and 'most direct form' of democracy is the best, and not a more indirect democracy in which the best 'referendum' is the actual elections every four years were we tend to give a mandate to govern, without constantly question it.
    --> About the EU? Well, what more can I say.

    And there are way more of your 'calm', 'nuanced' arguments that obviously make people feel reassured and positive. But frankly? I just don't buy it. I simply don't buy it. And although I'm in a minority here and will probably be 'typecasted' again as a fear monger, I do have to ask you this one more time: Is there not ONE gene in your sane body that can look to the other side of the coin and that makes you.....worried? Or that, only for a very small part, changes your criticism of the establishment, of the elite? And also sum up some weaknesses of today's populism?

    If you can't do that, then your nuance and calmness isn't resulting in a more balanced view on the above things.
    Perhaps you should reread this post of yours and see how insulting it is, and how desperate it looks.

    Of course I realize and appreciate the other side of the coin - this whole thread (apart from me and perhaps a few others) has essentially been that. Why should I add to that?

    All the points you made above are your simplistic opinions of my view of democracy. They are not mine.

    You have attempted, in your above post, to typecast me with your judgements your and pronouncements of me. It's rather disgusting, but not surprising. Actually, it's what I see in political campaigning.

    I could start to cast aspersions on your motives and views, but I haven't, have I?

    This isn't the first time you've done this and I'm sure it won't be the last.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    It's an unconventional pick @4EverBonded, but I'm a firm believer that a man (or woman) can step up to the plate and deliver when the moment calls for it. Boris is sharp politically and knows how to sell a vision for Britain globally. That is the priority for now (the relationship with the EU will sort itself out in time based on commercial and political interests) and Theresa May knows it.

    Is there not ONE gene in your body that says: Ooowh, wait, I think we do have a problem.

    All your arguments are mostly very nuanced and detailed. But they always tend to favor the populist voices of today's society. It is as if you want to be the sane, calm denominator of clowns like Trump, Johnson, Farage, Wilders, Le Pen and others.

    --> About Brexit? You say it will not be so bad in the end. It will be an opportunity to make the UK flourish.
    --> About Donald Trump? You admire him for being such a wonderful orator and media personality. You say he's the rebuilder that the USA needs.
    --> About the immigrant crisis? You say individual small sovereign countries in Europe (our continent has 51 countries you know? Not 3 big ones, like the USA, Canada and Mexico) can solve it alone, and no EU is needed.
    --> About democracy? You think the 'purest', and 'most direct form' of democracy is the best, and not a more indirect democracy in which the best 'referendum' is the actual elections every four years were we tend to give a mandate to govern, without constantly question it.
    --> About the EU? Well, what more can I say.

    And there are way more of your 'calm', 'nuanced' arguments that obviously make people feel reassured and positive. But frankly? I just don't buy it. I simply don't buy it. And although I'm in a minority here and will probably be 'typecasted' again as a fear monger, I do have to ask you this one more time: Is there not ONE gene in your sane body that can look to the other side of the coin and that makes you.....worried? Or that, only for a very small part, changes your criticism of the establishment, of the elite? And also sum up some weaknesses of today's populism?

    If you can't do that, then your nuance and calmness isn't resulting in a more balanced view on the above things.
    Perhaps you should reread this post of yours and see how insulting it is, and how desperate it looks.

    Of course I realize and appreciate the other side of the coin - this whole thread (apart from me and perhaps a few others) has essentially been that. Why should I add to that?

    All the points you made above are your simplistic opinions of my view of democracy. They are not mine.

    You have attempted, in your above post, to typecast me with your judgements your and pronouncements of me. It's rather disgusting, but not surprising. Actually, it's what I see in political campaigning.

    I could start to cast aspersions on your motives and views, but I haven't, have I?

    This isn't the first time you've done this and I'm sure it won't be the last.

    So am I talking nonsense then? @BondJames? I think it's pivotal to address this. Because it worries me. And if you now honestly say that all I said from the above is all false and not true, then please counteract it. Or at least articulate the things I have said down below:
    --> About Brexit? You say it will not be so bad in the end. It will be an opportunity to make the UK flourish.
    --> About Donald Trump? You admire him for being such a wonderful orator and media personality. You say he's the rebuilder that the USA needs.
    --> About the immigrant crisis? You say individual small sovereign countries in Europe (our continent has 51 countries you know? Not 3 big ones, like the USA, Canada and Mexico) can solve it alone, and no EU is needed.
    --> About democracy? You think the 'purest', and 'most direct form' of democracy is the best, and not a more indirect democracy in which the best 'referendum' is the actual elections every four years were we tend to give a mandate to govern, without constantly question it.
    --> About the EU? Well, what more can I say.

    I try to do it, but I CAN'T.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    It's an unconventional pick @4EverBonded, but I'm a firm believer that a man (or woman) can step up to the plate and deliver when the moment calls for it. Boris is sharp politically and knows how to sell a vision for Britain globally. That is the priority for now (the relationship with the EU will sort itself out in time based on commercial and political interests) and Theresa May knows it.

    Is there not ONE gene in your body that says: Ooowh, wait, I think we do have a problem.

    All your arguments are mostly very nuanced and detailed. But they always tend to favor the populist voices of today's society. It is as if you want to be the sane, calm denominator of clowns like Trump, Johnson, Farage, Wilders, Le Pen and others.

    --> About Brexit? You say it will not be so bad in the end. It will be an opportunity to make the UK flourish.
    --> About Donald Trump? You admire him for being such a wonderful orator and media personality. You say he's the rebuilder that the USA needs.
    --> About the immigrant crisis? You say individual small sovereign countries in Europe (our continent has 51 countries you know? Not 3 big ones, like the USA, Canada and Mexico) can solve it alone, and no EU is needed.
    --> About democracy? You think the 'purest', and 'most direct form' of democracy is the best, and not a more indirect democracy in which the best 'referendum' is the actual elections every four years were we tend to give a mandate to govern, without constantly question it.
    --> About the EU? Well, what more can I say.

    And there are way more of your 'calm', 'nuanced' arguments that obviously make people feel reassured and positive. But frankly? I just don't buy it. I simply don't buy it. And although I'm in a minority here and will probably be 'typecasted' again as a fear monger, I do have to ask you this one more time: Is there not ONE gene in your sane body that can look to the other side of the coin and that makes you.....worried? Or that, only for a very small part, changes your criticism of the establishment, of the elite? And also sum up some weaknesses of today's populism?

    If you can't do that, then your nuance and calmness isn't resulting in a more balanced view on the above things.
    Perhaps you should reread this post of yours and see how insulting it is, and how desperate it looks.

    Of course I realize and appreciate the other side of the coin - this whole thread (apart from me and perhaps a few others) has essentially been that. Why should I add to that?

    All the points you made above are your simplistic opinions of my view of democracy. They are not mine.

    You have attempted, in your above post, to typecast me with your judgements your and pronouncements of me. It's rather disgusting, but not surprising. Actually, it's what I see in political campaigning.

    I could start to cast aspersions on your motives and views, but I haven't, have I?

    This isn't the first time you've done this and I'm sure it won't be the last.

    Too right. I would also like to add that populism and democracy aren't really two separate things. If you fear one, you fear the other also. But then the left has gotten increasingly authoritarian in recent decades, so I can see why democracy would make them a little hot under the collar.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2016 Posts: 23,883
    @Gustav_Graves, you are quite wrong on all the points above except for Brexit, where I do firmly believe that the UK made the right choice, and if they play their cards right (big if) will be much better off in the end. The track record of the UK on succeeding has been weak of late, so the risks are high, but hopefully that very risk will galvanize their minds to achieve what I know they can do.

    I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to summarize my views incorrectly going forward. Thank you.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves, you are quite wrong on all the points above except for Brexit, where I do firmly believe that the UK made the right choice, and if they play their cards right (big if) will be much better off in the end. The track record of the UK on succeeding has been weak of late, so the risks are high, but hopefully that very risk will galvanize their minds to achieve what I know they can do.

    I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to summarize my views incorrectly going forward. Thank you.

    Then please....elaborate a bit more about my bullet points. I am a person that likes to be self-corrective. And your help would be appreciated. I want to know exactly on which questions/bullet points I am wrong.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,331
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves, you are quite wrong on all the points above except for Brexit, where I do firmly believe that the UK made the right choice, and if they play their cards right (big if) will be much better off in the end. The track record of the UK on succeeding has been weak of late, so the risks are high, but hopefully that very risk will galvanize their minds to achieve what I know they can do.

    I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to summarize my views incorrectly going forward. Thank you.

    Then please....elaborate a bit more about my bullet points. I am a person that likes to be self-corrective. And your help would be appreciated. I want to know exactly on which questions/bullet points I am wrong.
    why don't you try to read al of his posts again? and this time without going into panic mode.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    @Gustav_Graves, you are quite wrong on all the points above except for Brexit, where I do firmly believe that the UK made the right choice, and if they play their cards right (big if) will be much better off in the end. The track record of the UK on succeeding has been weak of late, so the risks are high, but hopefully that very risk will galvanize their minds to achieve what I know they can do.

    I would appreciate it if you would not attempt to summarize my views incorrectly going forward. Thank you.

    I apoligize if I am wrong on most issues then. I am just...very interested in what you think of 'Democracy', the 'EU', the 'immigrant crisis' and 'Donald Trump' then. And although you say I am....entirely wrong on all of them except Brexit, I still think you at least have honorable, nuanced and honest views on these issues.
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