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bond 23, the return of blofeld

thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
edited October 2011 in Skyfall Posts: 12,837
ok, i dont understand what the situation is with blofeld. I know kevin mcklory died and he had the rights, wether he left them to someone or whatever. But i recently noticed that blofeld was in the new goldeneye game, now that got me thinking. Does that mean MGM and EON have the rights to use blofeld in the film???. Presuming it does, who else would like to see blofeld unviel himself as the mastermind behind quantum in bond 23. It would be alot better than some buissness man messing with oil like in QOS. I think blofeld should return, now as this is a reboot and they're starting again, i say eventually after afew films bond destroys quantum but blofeld escapes and forms spectre, meaning that spectre once again become the main bad guys, and everything set before previous films has been explained. Then the rest of the films can be spent fighting spectre or an unrelated villian, what do you guys think???

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  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Blofeld is unnecessary. He has his place in Bond canon, and that's that. There's no need to revisit him.
  • CoH_GHOST_007CoH_GHOST_007
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    Do we really want the Davros and Daleks of the bond universe?
    And i can't recall Blofeld in the GoldenEye 2010 game
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Never again. He's had his time.
  • SirCLMDBCRaigSirCLMDBCRaig
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    Never again. He's had his time.
    Agreed. Blofeld is a big part of the 60s movies and he's had his time. I wouldn't mind a new "big bad" tho. Someone behind the scenes going through multiple movies.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    We have White. All he needs is more than decent screentime and more dialogue. No cat.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    ok, i dont understand what the situation is with blofeld. I know kevin mcklory died and he had the rights, wether he left them to someone or whatever. But i recently noticed that blofeld was in the new goldeneye game, now that got me thinking. Does that mean MGM and EON have the rights to use blofeld in the film???.
    No. It's just that Activision are able to use any character in their games. The same could be said for Dr. No with that be the case to bring him back.
    Presuming it does, who else would like to see blofeld unviel himself as the mastermind behind quantum in bond 23. It would be alot better than some buissness man messing with oil like in QOS. I think blofeld should return, now as this is a reboot and they're starting again, i say eventually after afew films bond destroys quantum but blofeld escapes and forms spectre, meaning that spectre once again become the main bad guys, and everything set before previous films has been explained. Then the rest of the films can be spent fighting spectre or an unrelated villian, what do you guys think???
    Ah, no. Bad idea in my view. Let's leave the past in the past.
  • Geo_BayGeo_Bay
    edited September 2011 Posts: 44
    Well, I don't think Blofeld in name should come back, but a new head of quantum should.

    Plus, they should have made CR so that he kills Vesper and Bond is after him and Quantum as a result, not some little nerd in a little flat pretending to love her.

    Then Bond goes after the leader in QOS, destroys his plan but the leader gets away, then in Bond 23 he finds him and kills him like in YOLT (novel).

    IMO Bond should have killed the original Blofeld in YOLT (film) like he did in the novel. But as the twits who were making the films made them all back to front, without OHMSS (film) happeneing before YOLT (film) they would not have been able to make OHMSS (film) in the future.

    And don't get me started on the farcical 'remote control airways' scene in FYEO when Blofeld finally gets killed off down the chimney X_X

    In short, don't bring back Blofeld, but have a new mysterious head in Bond 23 who gets revealed and then killed off. Then let Craig do one more film in Bond 24 with something completely seperate.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2011 Posts: 13,355
    From what we've been told it's Bond 23 that will be the "something completely seperate" film, with Quantum not featuring.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    One can only hope @Samuel. I want to see what Dan has to give when Quantum isn't dragging his heels again.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited September 2011 Posts: 13,355
    A lot considering the last two film arc is over is my guess. Maybe not having Quantum or that lingering story will only help the next film further. Though I have no problems with Quantum either, the main point is Bond Begins is completed.

    Now we get back to some kind of normality. The four year wait between films has only increased excitement or aggravated people further to see a "normal" film again, especially as the last one was Die Another Day.

    Anyway, I'm going off-topic, though I don't feel there's a lot to say about Blofeld/Bond 23 anyway. We've covered that ground so many times before. Only that I bet EON don't even know who the head of Quantum is just and who's to say they will even be defeated? They may just appear in the odd film for years to come. I doubt it will concluded with Craig as Bond as many seem to want. Why ruin a great ready made set of villains you can do anything with?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    It should end with Craig's run(I HOPE IT NEVER ENDS!!!). Quantum was much a Craig thing, and if they reboot again(it is likely) the more likely Quantum may not be used. The title 'Quantum Disbanded' for Bond 24 would be amazing.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Quantum was much a Craig thing
    Yeah, becuase Quantum have so far only appeared in film with Craig.
    if they reboot again(it is likely)
    I don't think so nor so the need. Carry on from wherever Craig leaves, there's nothing to reboot now.
    The title 'Quantum Disbanded' for Bond 24 would be amazing.
    Very full-on. It would mark a definite departure for the titles. My only problem is the public will think of Quantum Of Solace with your title and that film is hardly going to bring back good memories.
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
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    What they said.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    First, QoS isn't bad, guys. Not the best Bond movie, but a good flick altogether.

    Second, keep Quantum out of the title.

    Third, have a post movie scene (like in both CR, the White "My name is Bond, James Bond" scene and QoS, the Canadian interview scene) where Quantum comes back at the end of B23 to lead into B24. But keep the rest of B23 away from Quantum.

    I personally don't think the Quantum story line would ruin B23 if done correctly.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I do like the idea of Bond 23 ending with a big event caused by Quantum. It wouldn't have anything to follow it and wouldn't ruin the flow of the film. It would build further suspense and hype for what would come in Bond 24.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    If Quantum trigger a "big event", something that radically changes everything, then it shouldn't come at the end of the film. It should come late in the film, but it certainly shouldn't be the last scene. If something really really is that dramatic/devastating/influential, then there should be time for the script to explore the consequences of it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The hype for Bond 24 would be better if it was at the end I think. Unless the event is so catatonic that there is substantial room to show Bond and MI6 in a completely helpless state that leaves us wanting more as the credits roll.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited September 2011 Posts: 5,745
    No, I meant just a scene. Like a blofeld-esque scene. Maybe its some head guy talking about capturing Camille. Or just something - short enough to fit in an end scene - happens that is relative to quantum.

    Not a sequence, a little scene. The white scene in CR was short, the Canadian scene in QoS was pretty short. Just something to bring Quantum back, so that we can get it out of the way at the start of B24
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    The hype for Bond 24 would be better if it was at the end I think. Unless the event is so catatonic that there is substantial room to show Bond and MI6 in a completely helpless state that leaves us wanting more as the credits roll.
    It's a cheap way of generating tension. BOND 24 doesn't need BOND 23 to hype it up - it's a Bond film; it gets all the hype it needs simply by existing. And if something was so devastating that MI6 was in complete disarray, then that's something that absolutely needs to be explored in the film. It doesn't have to be resolved, just explored. And if it left on a cliffhanger, it will not necessarily be resolved properly.

    That the end of the seventh season of "NCIS" as an example. It had a Mexican drug cartel manipulating the characters into investigating a twenty year-old murder carried out by Gibbs. In the season finale, Gibbs was caught by the cartel, who attempted to blackmail him into becoming their operative. They threatened to kill his father if he did not comply, and the final shot of the season was of the cartel leader stepping into the father's store.

    But then the opening scene of season eight had Gibbs Sr. as being well aware of the cartel's intentions, having been warned off-screen that they were coming for him. Indeed, the final scene of the seventh season actually took place several months after the rest of the season proper. The writers had crafted this nifty little thriller, and then blew it completely by having key events take place off-screen.

    Compare that with the end of the sixth season, which saw Ziva leave the team and return to Mossad. The final shots showed her being captured and interrogated by a group of Somali terrorists. The start of the seventh season recreated this sequence entirely - shot for shot, timed to the minute - but ended with another character, Tony, being revealed as the prisoner. The episode then explained how everything played up to that point. It was a much stronger finale/premiere than the end of the seventh season and the start of the eighth. They did the same thing at the end of the fourth season, with a revelation that retroactively changed the entire season. And not just like the infamous "Dallas" it-was-all-a-dream ending. I won't spoil it, because it's one of the best endings to a television series, but the point is that the entire thing was carefully planned from the beginning.

    What I'm trying to say is that you can't just end a Bond film with a cliffhanger and expect audiences to want more. That's what the writers of "Lost" did, keeping the audience's attention by piling more questions on top of them without providing answers to old questions. Halfway through the second season, you knew they were just making things up as they went, and the series finale was filled with plots that went unresolved. At the very least, a cliffhanger ending should be written with the first half-hour of the next film already written. Otherwise, you'll just end up with a situation where everything that gets built up is forgotten.

    I still feel it's critical that if an event has consequences, then those consequences need to be explored.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited September 2011 Posts: 5,745
    @shadowonthesun

    You wouldn't even go for a blofeld - esque meeting scene of some sort. Maybe white with a mysterious figure, i.e. the head of quantum.

    The shot being:

    The camera sits behind crossed legs, with shiny red heels. Its obvious the character is sitting in a chair behind a desk.

    A subtle knock is heard at the door that can be seen from this shot down a relatively long hallway. The knock is followed by Mr. White walking in (after no response from the mysterious character).

    He walks down the long entrance way for a good 10 seconds before he stops, crosses his arms across his stomach, and says, "Madame...."

    Boom, creds roll with the first line saying, James Bond Will Return in Blah Blah Bond 24

    Get Mendes to return for B24 (if hes any good) and continue the story. That scene doesn't necessarily leave any plot holes, just simply states Quantum is returning in B24. And is fun. FUN. Have some F U N.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    I'd be fine with that. They did it at the end of CASINO ROYALE. And it was fantastic - one of the best endings in the franchise. But reading Brady's posts, he seems to think that BOND 23 and BOND 24 should be two halves of one film. Which is a no-no.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I do like the idea of Bond 23 ending with a big event caused by Quantum. It wouldn't have anything to follow it and wouldn't ruin the flow of the film. It would build further suspense and hype for what would come in Bond 24.
    That's hardly a novel idea. They did exactly that with CR which led to the rather disappointing and confused QoS. By confused I mean the producers and the cast and even forster couldn't even agree on when exactly QoS took place after CR.

    The concept is good don't get me wrong it just has to be done right and the payoff has to be even better for the next movie which would be in another 2 years. Personally, I'd rather have a complete movie ala GF; a separate adventure and isolated completely from anything to do with SPECTRE.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    The carry on of White being transported by Bond wasn't what brought QoS down in your opinion @dobleoego. It was the factor of an unfinished(reworked) script that was the product of the Writer's Strike. I love QoS and am happy that we got such a good film as we did under those circumstances.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2011 Posts: 12,837
    We have White. All he needs is more than decent screentime and more dialogue. No cat.
    i actually agree, white could work. i just thought since these films are set before the others but in modern day it would make sense to bring in blofeld at some point, but using white would be great. i agree no cat but white needs SOMETHING to make him stand out, most of the great villians have had, even le cheifre had his bleeding eye. i say give white some kind of a gimmick then make him the new blofeld type character (main man in charge)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    White could have some kind of crisis due to his bullet wound early in QoS, but he seemed fine at TOSCA, so I don't think that would work. Since it is a modern Bond, I'm not sure he needs a 'gimmick' at all. Just lots and lots of screentime to flesh out his character and show the audience just how evil he can be.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Well he definitely has a limp.

    I personally want a stronger villain for once. Both of DC's baddies are weak Frenchmen. Someone who could stand up to Bond themselves would be nice for B23.

    Second thing, why have Blofeld return when we have Quantum? Quantum could be the early Spectre I suppose. But I would really like to see a female head the organization.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I personally want a stronger villain for once. Both of DC's baddies are weak Frenchmen. Someone who could stand up to Bond themselves would be nice for B23.
    This is exactly why Bardem was offered the lead villain role I feel. To be a more physically imposing threat for Bond. They could have a great hand-to-hand first fight with each other at the end of the film if the story calls for it.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
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    EON has carefully avoided the remake angle and bringing Blofeld back wreaks of going in this direction. So avoid it at all costs.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    This is exactly why Bardem was offered the lead villain role I feel. To be a more physically imposing threat for Bond. They could have a great hand-to-hand first fight with each other at the end of the film if the story calls for it.
    You have no idea how awesome I think that would be. Craig's villains so far(ultimately), Le Chiffre and Greene are men of power in other senses. Le Chiffre is calculating and mathematical in his thinking, and Greene uses his money, Greene Planet, and bodyguards to talk for him. I want a deadly bout. Craig versus Bordem. How amazing would that be?! Both rough and tumble, deadly men, beating each other to an inch of their life... I have to stop... :)
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    This is exactly why Bardem was offered the lead villain role I feel. To be a more physically imposing threat for Bond. They could have a great hand-to-hand first fight with each other at the end of the film if the story calls for it.
    I don't really see Bardem as being physically imposing compared to Bond. Sure, he is physically imposing, but I think his real strength lies in the way he is mentally imposing. He was very calm and very focused in both COLLATERAL and NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, even when the world started exploding around him. We've seen villains explode in waves of emotion before, but I think Bardem could have a character above all that. It would be very unsettling to see a villain who is completely unpertubed by everything collapsing all around him.
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