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Maybe you'd care to read my post again. I never claimed the EU beeing a dictatorship. I'm merely stating it isn't a democracy either. And yes, for a true democracy to work, we'd be able to vote for everyone in a political office. My country (Neltherlands) isn't a sublime democracy either, but it's a long shot more democratic then the EU.
- never did I claim you have a high salary
- never did I claim you haven't been fighting for recocnition, work, life, etc.
Beeing part of an elite doesn't make you rich. Ask most artists. Still they themselves consider themselves to be on a moral highground, defending ideas (again, not talking about you), beeing part of an elite.
And yes, it's sad to know you've tried to commit suicide twice, and I hope you'll never feel the need to do such again. It's a terrible ordeal which I've come all too close to in the past.
All I said was, and you only underlined this, that you're part of a very small group (comperatively) of people having foreign experiences that go far farther then just going on holiday. Your life is internationally orientated (as probably of most on this forum, as many Bond fans seem inclined to travel) whereas the life of at least 80% of the people in my neighbourhood's international expierence goes no farther then campsites or all-inclusive hotels.
@Gustav please try not to be personally attacked by any of my posts. I'm never out to make any argument personal. All I try to do is make differences understandeable.
Doh! #-o maybe I was thinking about all the Scots & Welsh who choose England to live.
Boarder - a person, especially a lodger, who is supplied with regular meals. ;)
Chortle. But you're still wrong. The word you're after is 'freeloaders'.
Some of these grew up in peace and prosperity and in the misguided sense of entitlement that the world owed them these luxuries because, frankly, that's what it means to be a Brit, no? Sounds much cosier than Herrenmensch, also much easier to pronounce than these filthy German butcher terms. And for decades things were splendid and everybody was fine with them. This country was a bloody nightmare when it entered the EU. In a city it would have been the part where the rubbish collection brought the trash. But thanks to favourable circumstances it became one of the strongest economies of the EU. Within the EU. Something in that deeply undemocratic scheme must have worked right. Perhaps all those freeloaders and boarders kept their trap shut because they profited from that horrible nepotism they now bemoan?
However, with time the EU became bigger, the UK became smaller and all of a sudden there are peeps who feel the EU is taking their "identity" away. The EU, not the dullards they voted themselves into power, not the shi**y television program, not their 24/7 clinging to their mobiles and touchscreens. No, it's the EU, of course. They claim that Britain is no longer "Great" and fail to see how every generation has to earn themselves that attribute again. Or be content with what it gets. And frankly, I despise these cissy whiners because that's exactly what they are. This is not about being patriotic, about loving your country. This is mostly about nationalism, about hating the countries of others, hoping in time they will feel as miserable about theirs as we do about ours. In other words, this is what spoilt brats get up to when they don't get what they insist they need. This is one nation unable to compromise, unable to adapt. Unable to deal with reality, so we do the next best thing and throw a tantrum.
And once we really deal ourselves out of the EU our next big project will be to find another scapegoat. Hopefully the Germans, some already can't wait going the whole distance with them. But hey, the Scots (that would be me) could also be blamed, couldn't they?
*Then again if I vote out, the UK gov probs will go ahead with TTIP after all.
Lovely stuff. I did enjoy that.
http://www.nrc.nl/next/2016/06/13/brexit-een-zegen-voor-de-eu-1627684
He sounds a bit peeved.
What do you mean?
I myself at heart are part devils advocate, part anarchist, I believe in swift none violent revolution over laborious insipid evolution, sometimes you have to create instability in order to change the established view & bring about reform, that's why I'm voting out.
One thing I would add is that all the so called expert opinion from the doomsayers of banking & commerce world who are predicting economic armageddon with BREXIT are the same people who missed the 2008 crash, who said there couldn't be a collapse in the property market & it was totally sound, just a thought, but would you trust their judgement?
I think there is a difference. I am not a doomsayer. I always thought, realistically, that a Brexit could happen. But a referendum is not the same as how banks in 2008 squandered the money of the ordinary person. That crisis was happening too, but back in 2008 there wasn't one voting moment in which people could vote for "Bankruptcy of Banks? Yes or No".
I live in a democracy. And I am not a doomsayer. I also warned for the banking crisis in 2008. And that governments need to control the banks much better. But in an equal fashion I do have every right to warn for a Brexit. Not because I want to put fear into people, but because of some realistic facts.
For the rest of your post, I do, finally, agree with you.
Indeed.
Threatening us with ending up like Norway or Sweden or stay in the club and you could be like Greece or Ireland.
Hardly convincing.
What do you mean? Don't you think that pro-EU people should properly prepare for a Brexit? And get used to the fact that Brexit will happen? Because that's what taking place. Nothing to do with fear. It's all about what non-UK citizens, who support a Brexit, should and must do. Or do you think the rest of Europe stands by and watch the consequences like a fearful child? Open up your eyes man.
This is quite close to the truth. The problem with the Brexiter's plan to opt out and then gain access through the backdoor is: the remaining 27 states will not give a s**t about making concessions to the UK. There are maybe the German's who have a distant interest in a future with Britain rather than without. Mainly because of their investments here and because they ignore how bats**t rabid nationalists still keep Germany as their favourite enemy. But apart from them nobody else will much care. Especially Poland already hopes for major investments in a future without the UK. And they aren't alone.
@SpectreNumberTwo: Perfectly understandable that profound frustration leads to a desire for fundamental change. Nobody claims the way things are run now would be the best way imaginable, by far not. Only in our case it's millions of people who will, for better or worse, be affected by it. Some doubtlessly for the better. But just as sure there is a huge number who will pay the bill for it. Not a single Brexiter believes they have to face nasty consequences of their move, they all are fairly sure to profit from it. Which is all most of them care for: how they personally can gain from it. A movement largely made up of profiteers set on selling short and happily waiting for the government to bail them out if their bet doesn't come off. With those the reasoning comes down to 'let's get out while we can, just to spite the others.' Hardly a solid basis for any kind of decision, least of all in politics.
Of course there are also righteously concerned voices, people like you who are not happy with what's going on for the last twenty years or so. But I wager most of us will not find a future outside the EU more to our liking. And our ability to influence politics and affairs cut down even further. Not desirable in my book.
In a nutshell.
That's the bitter truth none of us want to accept. Brexit or not Europe has had its day in the sun. All this Brexit squabbling is fiddling while Rome burns.
In 50 years we'll all be glad of a job working in sweatshops making phones and trainers for affluent Chinese.
I'm sorry mate but I have to counter you on this Norway point. Are you saying that you'd rather we were paying membership fees to the EU AND accepting free movement of people, without any say in how these policies were formed or implemented? Norway have even less control over their borders than us.
I don't want to be isolated on the edge of the continent with things like Isis, Putin, trump etc running amok. I want international friendship and solidarity rather than selfishness and self interest
We have become complacent about peace in Europe. We are enjoying the longest period of relative cooperation in Western Europe in centuries. There's a reason for that.
Anyone who can look at Farage, Gove and Boris and see anything other than megalomania, greed, privilege and idiocy has my sympathy.
I don't
Not at all.
Just that Norway and Sweden seem to be coping reasonably well with the extra levies they are forced to pay to the EU for trade whilst half the lucky members of the club are bankrupt. Go figure.
I agree the whole situation is far from ideal but given the choice is sitting pathetically by and doing as we're told in a club that thinks of us as 'the most irritating schoolboy in the class' what else is there to do?
Give me a third option where we stay in but the EU is reformed and I might vote for it.
Despite what you might think I'm not ecstatic about voting leave.
Thanks for bringing in some valid arguments @Campbell2. Then I do have a question for you. Do you think it's understandable that there are now also people outside the UK who support a Brexit with an anti-UK mindset? Those who think that the remainder of the member states should fully grab any positive potential that comes from a Brexit that massively favors the EU? I mean, don't you think this is logical? And do you also think that, if Brexit happens next week, that the EU might actually show 'balls' and waving away any offer from the UK for a Norway-like trade deal?
Makes you wonder, the standard of political thinking running the EU, if that's the
Standard of schoolgirl bitchiness that passes for considered debate.
It's not about being nice to the UK. A 'considerate debate' was destroyed already by the very UK itself. Say whatever you want to say. Use belittling words. Let's see what happens.
Who could be against, the people having a discussion and then a vote ?