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The debate has been very good on MI6community, as expected, but one has to look at other sites like the BBC's 'have your say' or The Guardian's comment section on articles related to Brexit. I don't know how either side will accept it if the other side wins.
Be in no doubt, the vote is going ahead
no campaigning over the weekend and perhaps recall of parliament on Monday, cant see how the outers can recover , rightly or wrongly, I think this horrible event will be crucial re the result.
Madman has possibly changed history ?
Merely that his actions have ( probably) changed the out come of the vote.
of history. Another nameless asshole with a grudge !
I am still so shocked about it, this just doesn't happen in Britain.
This is Britain not a banana republic or African dictatorship. We're not about to start rioting in the street.
Once the vote has been cast it will generally be forgotten and life will continue much the same whatever the result. The fact is whichever way it goes we are not going to become a third world country overnight nor are we going to become fabulously wealthy. The most likely outcome is we'll just potter along no different to before.
'Keep calm and carry on' is not just a slogan it's the British default position in turbulent times.
History is not going to remember this nutter as Gavrilo Princip. It won't even remember him as another Anders Breivik. It will just remember him as a murderer and a loser with mental health issues.
I would agree with you that this will have an impact on the vote in much the same way last week the threat of the England team being booted out of Euro 2016 looked likely to have an impact. Outside events do shape history and, callous though it sounds, this shocking act might just have saved the remain campaign. I would be very surprised if this morning there are not a few people inside Cameron's circle who are not mightily relieved to have this fall in their laps. Let's not forget the 'good day to bury bad news' soundbite on 9/11. That's how the grubby world of politics operates. A more cynical person than me might even think that this is a suspiciously conveniently timed occurrence in the remain camp's favour...
camps.
On the violent Britain, what has happened to society, not only MPs getting attacked
In their offices, but Doctors have also complained about very aggressive people.
A&E wards at Hospitals have to have security guards in stab proof vests ! Because
Of the attacks .
When did we become so violent and In fact when did we decide to accept it as part
Of life ? Why are guards needed at Hospitals ? Why do we accept it ? Why are these
Thugs not given long sentences for GBH, being drunk can no longer be an excuse.
One extremist man can really change history. Just look at this man:
His name was Gavrilo Princip. He killed Duke Franz Ferdinand of Austria (the double monarchy Austro-Hungary). It had severe consequences. It was one of the prime causes and a final drop that initiated the First World War, that left Germany broke and hopeless after World War One, and that eventually created the resentment for World War II.
Now obviously this won't happen with the unnecessary death of Jo Cox MP. But it will influence an hostoric moment: The Brexit Referendum.
Look, back in 2002 in The Netherlands Pim Fortuyn was killed by a left-wing radical and pshycologically unstable man. It changed the course of politics tremendously in The Netherlands. And it basically created the rise of Geert Wilders' Freedom Party.
My point: One man can do severe damage to history. And we need to make sure that we make such loners, such psychologically unstable people, these unemployed men with no hope of a future and such 'Muslim terrorists' part of our society again. If we do not enforce our middle class, if we keep destroying social institutions and building hate and bigotry.....then by all means do not be surprised of more of these attacks in the future.
In peace.
Thankfully, you'd never ever dare suggest something like it...
Anyone notice that smell?
He has said it so we know he is thinking it. A little bit Oliver Stone don't you think?
To be honest the scaremongering has come from both camps and no one can take the moral high ground on this one.
This is exactly my point.
Let's not forget either that many of those intending to vote Brexit have been whipped into a frenzy against politicians and the 'elite'. Even members on here have articulated a vote for Brexit as a way of sticking two fingers up to the political class.
Is everything as disconnected as Thunderpussy wants to suggest?
Mark Carney, (after saying that he did not know or had not met Jo Cox) "The best tribute that this room, this city and the country can give to the memory of Jo Cox is to renew our shared commitment whatever our differences to promote the common good in the United Kingdom and the world.”
Probably. If certain people had so vital vested interests in us staying in the EU to drive them to such extreme lengths then I doubt they would have let Joe Public have the chance to vote leave in the first place.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/eu-like-hotel-california-you-can-never-leave-yanis-varoufakis-1.2688702
Not sure this is actually true to be fair.
My understanding is that crime generally and also violent crime are at historically quite low levels.
You are less likely to die a violent death today in the UK than at practically any point in history.
We have lots of problems, but we also too often forget how lucky we are in some respects to live in such relatively prosperous and stable times.
It's the very unexpectedness of this attack that makes it so shocking. We don't expect our MPs to be physically attacked - that's what you expect in Mexico or Russia.
Seventy years ago Europe was tearing itself apart - again. We are lucky to be living now when our threats (although significant) are actually not as great.
I accept though that even if violent crime is relatively low, more needs to be done to stamp out thuggery and antisocial behaviour in schools, hospitals etc. everywhere.
I remember thinking then what is going on. Fair enough to ask tough questions but show the man a little respect. Whatever he is (and I'm not a Tory) he doesn't deserve this kind of mob hatred.
As I say, the young woman wasn't pro Brexit or Leave but she was just full of rage.
Others opinions, even if you don't agree with them. After all if your argument
Is that good, you don't need to be.
And so democracy ends up to beeing the best of the bad.