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The June 2016 UK Referendum on EU Membership: [UPDATE] What kind of BREXIT do YOU want?

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  • patbpatb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @patb, that was totally as expected. The 'Western' alliance is the only certainty in life. More so than death & taxes.

    So why make the original threat? The whole in campaign is starting to be shown as a list of empty threats.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    patb wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @patb, that was totally as expected. The 'Western' alliance is the only certainty in life. More so than death & taxes.

    So why make the original threat? The whole in campaign is starting to be shown as a list of empty threats.
    And I'm glad the British voters realized it for what it was. My faith is restored.
  • GerardGerard
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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited June 2016 Posts: 18,344
    Idle threats ultimately bring nothing but a resounding defeat. It could be that the UK electorate are a lot wiser than many commentators gave them credit for.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Idle threats ultimately bring nothing but a resounding defeat. It could be that the UK electorate are a lot wiser than many commentators gave them credit for.
    Always @Dragonpol. Compared to many other societies. Still. In my view of course.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Well said that Wizard its not often that I agree wholeheartedly with you but spot on.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Many people on twitter and other social media sites are now saying that it was a mistake to let the public vote on an issue as importand and complex as this one. I find this thinking simply appalling. Also, it's truly sad that some people (often called champagne socialists or limousine liberals) are ostensibly for the working class and the poor as long as they are voting the way they want them to vote, but as soon as those marginalized vote the other way, they are instantly labeled bigoted and dumb, not to mention racist.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :)) only the "Enlightened ones" should be allowed to vote.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    :)) only the "Enlightened ones" should be allowed to vote.
    That would be you out then !.

  • patbpatb
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    You can bet that if the decision had gone the other way, it would have been a great decision to let the people decide. This horrible elitism that the Working classes of the North are not qualified to make such decisions - just bitter sour grapes, people cant pick and choose when democracy fits in with their own agenda.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    There will be less chance of rate hikes in the US this year. If you have funds, buy sterling. It will overshoot to the downside, then stabilize and then go up. Six months from now, you will be ahead. The next few days will be very volatile though.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    patb wrote: »
    plus, there now seems t be a massive cultural gap that has developed. I know its a cliche but I see the New Labour , Islinton, Fiat 500 drivers loving the EU. Easy travel to their gites? fresh cous cous from the local deli, cheap Polish plumber to fix your third ensuite etc,
    whilst in the Sunderland wastelands (no disrespect) what has/does the EU offer them? The Westminster elite are in such a bubble, they just cant see the EU through the eyes of voters who just cant see the positives. A stunning lack of empathy, foresight and imagination. No where was this more visible than in the online Guardian forums where trendy liberals, between their fresh croissant and frothy lattes were all too quick to sneer at the out campaign and label them as un cooth racists rather than make any attempt to see a different World.
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    As a Swiss I can absolutely understand the vote for leaving the EU. It was long overdue that a country will show the EU government, which has become a neoliberal economic dictatorship, that it can be better off without it. The British will celebrate this day in the future as the day when everything went for the better. In the short term it will hurt a bit, maybe, but in the long term England will stand as the example of how to do it.

    The EU has only one chance now. To show the people of Europe, that they can act in their interest again and not only in the interest of banks and the financial world in general. That they respect (again) that the EU is made of democracies and different cultures.

    We'll see what they'll do now. Personally I have no hope. They will go in the same wrong direction they have since circa 2009 under the rule of Merkel/Schäuble. The middle class will further be destroyed and the new financial aristocracy will see to it that the EU will act in their interest.
    Of course I sincerely hope I am wrong and the EU will return to the purpose it once had.

    Congratulations to the British voters who had the courage to choose a slightly uncertain future above the certainty of being further and further diminished within a construct called EU that has long stopped to function properly.

    Two fantastic posts. Well done chaps.

    So what will happen now? Well already Junker (apparently he's president of something. I wouldn't know him from Adam) throwing threats about that there won't be any renegotiation and he wants shot of us ASAP.

    I imagine the EU will try to be brutally hard on the UK to scare other countries but this will be their final mistake as now other countires who demand a referendum will see it as what it is - the last desperate flailing of a dying beast. These threats are just a verbal Berlin Wall now that they are trying to erect to keep all their citizens from deserting their creaking and pointless bureaucracy.

    Merkel letting the truth of how she views theEU slip earlier today:

    'She said he’s invited French President François Hollande, European Council President Donald Tusk and Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi for a meeting on Monday ahead of Tuesday’s EU summit.'

    Hmm curious. I thought the EU was a solid Union of 27 nations? A bit odd Latvia and Romania not invited to this meeting?

    'Angela it's Slovenia here. I hear you're having an important meeting on Monday. Where is it being held we didn't seem to get our invite?'

    'Yes the EU is a big union of nations as equals and of course you all have an important voice but there's serious shit going down here so it's just the proper countries talking now. We'll try and let you know what we've decided on your behalf at some point but we're far too worried about our cash to keep up the pretence of giving the slightest f**k what you or Latvia or Bulgaria think just now.'
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    "We're all equal, ...... but some are MORE equal than others !" ;)
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Even Jeremy Corbyn, looks to be leaving as leader. ;)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Hell hath no fury, than a Liberal proved wrong ! ;)

    When are liberals proved wrong? It is the Conservative viewpoints and agendas that have been repeatedly proven wrong for centuries.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    In your opinion ;)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    In your opinion ;)

    I didn't know realizing the earth revolves around the sun (as Conservatives once refused to accept) was an opinion. Science, as usual, always proves Conservatism wrong.

  • tanaka123tanaka123
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Hell hath no fury, than a Liberal proved wrong ! ;)

    When are liberals proved wrong? It is the Conservative viewpoints and agendas that have been repeatedly proven wrong for centuries.

    What do you mean? Do you mean conservative or Conservative? World of difference.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Don't remember David Cameron mentioning that in the debates, He seemed
    to try and stay somewhat current in his examples. :))
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
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    Hooray for Great Britain! This may be the greatest political development in the Western world since the collapse of the Soviet Union. May the EU meet a similar demise.
  • patbpatb
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    FTSE 500 trading higher today than it was in Feb when DC announced the vote :-)
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
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    Congratulations to the leave voters! I hope that there will be a referendum in the Netherlands too.
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
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    Just a thought but what will happen if Britain gets stronger & thrives within a relatively short period, who will listen to any of these so called experts then?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Don't remember David Cameron mentioning that in the debates, He seemed
    to try and stay somewhat current in his examples. :))

    Yes, funny that. Cameron's big mistake was not going back to the Year Dot. ;)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Don't remember David Cameron mentioning that in the debates, He seemed
    to try and stay somewhat current in his examples. :))

    Yes, funny that. Cameron's big mistake was not going back to the Year Dot. ;)

    Sorry. Just giving the earliest of a whole history of Conservative (yes, I will capitalize it) viewpoints that are proven wrong. It's been the course of human history.

    You guys just screwed yourselves six ways to Sunday. It would be hilarious if not so tragic.
  • Bond_BombshellBond_Bombshell
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    Happy Independence Day from a very happy Bond_Bombshell. This has been an entertaining thread with many insightful comments - a big thank you to those posters who have astutely summed up the disconnect between an arrogant liberal establishment and the people.

    There was a time when I would have expected UK politicians, the UK boadcast media, the Church, Trade Unions, etc, to stand up for ordinary people but instead we've seen the opposite. We've seen working class people demonized for having genuine concerns about mass immigration and the effect on job prospects, wage levels, infrastructure and culture. Accusations of racism have been used to close down any debate on immigration. The elites have abandoned the working classes in favour of divisive identity politics and an unholy alliance with big business. This combined with the arrogance and threats from the Juncker types at the head of the EU meant that our out of touch leaders got the bloody nose they so richly deserved.

    Hopefully the EU will collapse and something new will take its place, something more democratic, accountable and relatable, something that recognises the differences between us as well as what we have in common, something that is perceived to be taking account of people's interests, instead of the interests of the greedy political classes many of whom have already been rejected at a national level.

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    You are of course correct @TripAces it's wrong for people to stand up for what
    they belive in. By the way how are things working out in the colonies ? :D
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I'm watching a debate on french tv. They are all saying that the UK should vote again or disregard the vote. Terrible example of one-way thinking.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    You are of course correct @TripAces it's wrong for people to stand up for what
    they belive in. By the way how are things working out in the colonies ? :D


    Heading in the same direction as you, if Trump wins this election. (But this is unlikely.)

    Belief is a problem when facts prove those beliefs wrong. I have friends who "believe" homosexuality is a sin and choice and reject any science that suggests it is biological. (Just another example.) Our Cons here flat out reject climate science...mostly because it clashes with a "belief" that God created a world that man can't destroy.

    In time, history will show that yesterday's vote was not good. (Though the vote isn't about belief as much as one's economic reality.) I am scared for us all.

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