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So the membership free then?
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According to this link:
http://infacts.org/uk-doesnt-send-eu-350m-a-week-or-55m-a-day/
... its £250M (for 2015, and before the refund which is beside the point), which is £100M less then the oft quoted £350M, but it is still £250M that could be better spent here, such as on transport and the emergency services.
You're talking about George Osborne right?
Brexit has unleashed hell.
At the end of the day don't dismiss Putin, fact is Russians own half of f**king London already, could be they become a serious trading partner, know that would really screw the EU, as the CIA say "who evers side we're on this week" >:)
about it before, must have been wrong.
Sorry but your becoming a bit of a drama queen.............. X_X
I cut my finger oprning the cat's food tin, .. obviously Brexit linked
in the new Independence Day film the Aliens are back..... Brexits fault again ! ;)
No obviously not, but as many predicted the Brexit vote has given bigots and racists licence to openly express their views in a way not seen since the 1970s
And be clear - this is 100% to do with the nature and tone of large elements of the Leave campaign. Boris desperately tried to put lid on it on Friday but the damage is done.
You can make your bland denials as long as you want but ordinary Britons are now having to deal with the fallout
Oh, I think he's given up the ghost long ago.
racist scumbags.
I think Osborne is curled up with his favourite blanket, gently swaying in a
darkened corner, wondering were it all went wrong and how he won't get to
be the next PM as planned. :))
Although I have both disagreed and agreed (mostly disagreed) with your detailed and mostly well thought out posts till now, I have to say you have let yourself down with that ludicrous post old man.
Odd how easily your logic makes the link between incidents like the above and Jo Cox and seem perfectly happy to attribute it to the peace loving majority of Brexiters.
Presume you are equally happy to lay 7/7, Lee Rigby, Charlie Hebdo, Paris and Brussels at the door of all the peace loving Muslims out there too?
According to the census of 2011 there's 2.7m Muslims in the UK v 17.4m Leave voters so I would say that Islam has the bigger problem with extremists per head of population so no doubt in the interests of balance and fairness you are writing another post right now with the equally frenzied strapline 'Islam has unleashed hell'? Thought not.
We must guard against intolerance and the rise of extremists like @Getafix. I presume you're with us @Gustav?
#FightBrexitophobia.
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/oh-my-god-grandma-what-the-fuck
I'm really sorry but your really are a drama queen, you're not an ordinary Briton because you live in London, a place that has been protected & mollycoddled from the depression that the North of England & other areas have suffured for decades.
This state was created by succsessive governments both Tory & Labour, parliament has become so detached from the nation that they continue to show complete contempt for anything outside of London. Don't even go on about the Northern Powerhouse, total patronising BS, waist of money, we don't want or need to get to f**king London 20 minutes quicker, we need jobs that pay a decent wage for the skills we have.
If you'd lived in the North East then maybe we'd be on the same page or even have served together. I couldn't wait to get out of the place because there was no future or opportunity for the average Joe.
I've been lucky I got out, but I've been to Whitehall for briefings & believe me I know 1st hand how f**ked up the establishment is today. So why did I vote to leave the EU, because I've been to Brussels as a military adviser & seen how hard it is to get through to these eurocrats, they're opinion is final, no negotiation.
I know some on here will think the same of me, but please believe me when I say I can & will be pursuaded, but up until now, no one who has represented the EU or the UK government has made me believe that it represents anything but their own interests.
My platform is that we need fundimental change across the whole of Europe if not the world.
Fine post Sir.
Many people obviously will find it difficult to read, because it is 'too long' or too 'dystopian'. But there are some lessons in it that can be learned. Especially when it comes to the 'final stages' of a democracy. It was posted/translated in the Dutch opiniated magazine 'De Groene Amsterdammer' of last week, but it was published first in the 'New York Magazine' of May 1st.
I....read this article more as a critique on the current state of democracies in western societies, and less as a full-frontal attack on demagogues and populists. But it does tell you something about the state of our democracies, and how they become susceptible to anger and populism. This goes for both the 'ultra-democratic' instruments of referendums, like the Brexit referendum, but alsoduring general elections.
Here is the article. It would be nice if everyone reads this silently and digests the matter in a calm way. The article was written and published on May 1st, so before the Brexit:
so the voters can see what way their MP voted. As at the next election, I'd say the
Two main parties would lose hundreds of seats to other smaller parties.
In fact if the mainstream parties keep refusing to discuss, the things the voters
want discussed, then that opens the door to the real extremists.
I've lived all over England - Lancs, Devon, West Midlands, Oxfordshire, Somerset and London. I know my country pretty well thanks very much.
I am more than aware of the hardships that face deindustrialised areas.
But please tell me how Brexit helps them? Giver one single thing that's going to improve for people in the most deprived areas thanks to Brexit?
Meanwhile, your rationale seems to be that those areas and those British people that have been able to actually be relatively successful in the globalised economy deserve a kicking. Londoners have had it too good for too long (despite London having plenty of poverty) so let's kick it.
What is this madness? It's mutually assured destruction.
And still neither you or anyone who supports Brexit on here has given a single example of how this helps the disenfranchised.
The EU was so irrelevant to most of our problems. Leaving it will improve absolutely nothing and is instead about to pluge us into decades of stagnation or decline.
Problem is the the political elite have ignored the concerns of British people -calling them bigots and racists - instead of engaging to understand and address their concerns. Particularly the Labour Party who are now completely disengaged from the people they meant to represent. They are now trying to unseat Corbyn on the basis he is sympathetic to the wishes of their supporters and didn't do enough to change their views. I've yet to hear a coherent case for mass immigration. We've simply been told it benefits the economy and it's immoral to question it. What they should have done is articulate the specific benefits and acknowledge the drawbacks.
By ignoring the concerns of the people, frustrations have grown leading to the ruse of UKIP and ultimately Brexit.
The whole thing stinks - suggests the Labour party have been bought by Big Business who are happy to import people with low salary expectations to reduce salaries, whilst increasing population to increase sales to consumers.
Add in the lies we were told in build up to invasion of Iraq, and the way the bankers were bailed out without any comeback, then you get a toxic mixture of people contemptuous of what the politic class tell them.
Could it be that they couldn't come up with anything?
Eurovision?
City should be treated like any other industry. If, say, Frankfurt can provide British people with better service at lower cost, then the City should be closed down