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And you kept slamming the Brexit side for a good 40 pages of this discussion, before the vote took place. You and the Remain side did a perfect job at dividing the UK and Europe as a whole. Now you are unhappy with the result? You have only yourself to blame. All this shit-storm of negativity did nothing good. And you dare want solutions? Why didn't the Pro EU side offer any kind of solution of proof of EU benefits, instead focusing 100% on being negative on the Brexit arguments? The solutions should have come months ago.
Own in any argument, and fighting his corner. Sadly Boris and the leave camp
Didn't win on " Renegotiation" they won on "Leave".
Once more politicians are shown to be corrupt, lying, twisting arseholes.
In many ways we were all fools for believing that, they'd be honest with us.
In fairness I think that they were lied to by both sides so the one camp rather cancels out the other. There will be no second referendum. The peoples of the UK have already spoken and matters will move forward on that basis and that basis alone. There should be no back-rowing.
Sensible debate, with viewers questions getting reasoned answers. True
Figures are being shown etc.
Maybe if the Remain had dropped project fear and made these sensible
Reasoned arguments, we'd all have been better informed.
Although I do agree "lies" were coming from all sides, but a vote is a vote.
I hate the idea of a second one. Why would a second vote be any more
Legitimate than the first ? Or why not have a third, until you get the result
You're happy with.
Ooowh ff-ing yes I did! And I had my reasons for it. And I still have! But you forget to mention that I swallowed my loss some 5/6 pages back shortly after the referendum result. It is what it is. I still think it's a foolish thing. But we need to move on. WE NEED TO MOVE ON. The real fact however is, that no one in here seems to move on! You included!
The Brexit vote is over, now fff-ing let's execute that Brexit! And that's not happening, because David Cameron and Boris Johnson want to......WAIT until October. So I am NOT allowed to say that? I am not allowed to be agitated about the lack of real leadership after Brexit in the UK??? I am not allowed to say that I now support a swift Brexit for the sake of more financial and economic certainty and stability??
I am NOT allowed to say that a working group needs to be created within three weeks from now that A) actually deals with reserve budgets to counteract any losses during upcoming exit negotiations (Like Norway and Switzerland, there needs to be paid for new trade treaties), to counteract pension fund depreciations, and to subsidize any future raise in tariffs for British small- and medium sized companies who heavily trade with the EU and B ) that wants to take the current cultural vacuum in Northern-Ireland and Scotland serious, by immediately organizing a summit about the future of the UK???
, you're calling the kettle black! X(
Mod edit: profanity removed.
The referendum was advisory, not binding on parliament. If parliamentary sovereignty is so important to the Brexit campaigners, then they should respect it.
There is no precedent in British history for parliament's views being by-passed in this way. What's happening basically represents the trashing of our unwritten constitution. The majority of MPs (whose job it is to have an informed opinion on these issues) believed we should stay. Brexit won a small majority in an advisory referendum during which the quality of debate was abysmal.
A couple considering a divorce would be encouraged to have counselling and also be given opportunities to work things out and (unlikely) to take a step back from the edge. That is reasonable and appropriate.
The vote doesn't go the way they like. It sounds a very democratic organisation. :D
Also there's nothing more democratic that making someone vote, with a gun to their
Head. :))
And if we want facts in this discussion: The Remain campaign was factually piss-poor and woeful. Did it deserve to lose for being such a catastrophic? No, of course not. But in no way does it deserve a 2nd chance after this joke of a campaign. You should have thought about the eventually of losing before doing an atrocious campaign. You wanted solutions? The Pro EU side should have given them months ago.
" Best of Three !" :D
That should keep everyone happy.
I never wanted a referendum. There was no public clamour for a referendum either. Outside of the Tory Party, the EU was actually a very low priority on most peoples list concerns.
Although people on here write as if the EU was seen as a massive problem, actually most British people didn't see it that way before the campaign. Even now, all the referendum showed was that about 39% of the electorate were in favour of leave.
The referendum was only ever about managing internal Tory Party tensions.
Boris Johnson didn't expect or want Brexit to win - he was just positioning himself to win the party leadership. Gove is probably the only 'senior' politician in the country who actually wanted this to happen. And Gove's driven by a belief in 'creative destruction' - he thinks you have to constantly disrupt in order to move forward.
Agree though that the Remain campaign was pretty dire.
I need to calm down. And we all need to calm down. Let's positively focus on how our future's should look like, instead of continuously blaming our campaigns when the vote is already over.
I hope for a prosperous, positive, happy UK. And I similarly hope the same for the remaining 27 EU-members.
Where did I write that the EU should just follow the Britain's will? I just said that it is now up to the Britains to make up their mind what they really want. It would not be a good meassure to directly intervene in this process since it would even increase anti-EU tendencies in Britain but also in other countries. As long as the UK has not officially announced their will to leave the EU, the EU cannot do anything. After that there should be tough but fair negotiations. But the ball is now in the British court and I see no feasible way for the UK to not follow the referendum. That is all I meant to say.
N.Korean world history book, fasinating stuff.
Did you know Kim Jung-um set up the EU, just before winning the nobel
Peace prize. You see Knowledge is power ! ;)
That was just before he drove the devil into Georgia... eh.. i mean the USA to contain him, right?
I want back in I miss having croissants at breakfast, I can spread chocolate
on them. With no feelings of guilt, saying it's the french way. Same with kissing.
I'll miss the French kissing, My post man probably won't, but I like to make him
feel special. No going up a high tower with a riffle for him !
French Toast, that will be taken off us too. Oh this is terrible, and how will I
survive without my daily portion of German sausage ! ...... it's all Terrible.
I won't have any double entendres either, just dirty meanings
I posted that on the 16th June and she is now the clear favourite at 2.3!! Boris slipping away quickly
her career. So not true to her principles other than gaining power. I think she
could have as many enemies as Boris.
They could still block the entrances to the polling stations though..
But if you ask me the answer is mentioned by the Great Leader too in his book..
Well you can't always recognise them, they go undercover too.... They are sort of third world muslim James Bond kind of people...
I very much hope May wins - a serious and hard working politician who will put the country's and not her own interests first.
Would be very happy for Boris to be given department for agriculture or something.
Any politician is perfect for agriculture, with the bullsh*t they peddle
I believe the process won't begin until everyone thinks through the implications of what has happened and prepares a way forward.
The US will play a part in this behind the scenes as well (as it always does) and there is uncertainty there too, until November at least.
Interesting times.
Believes ( she is an out supporter) but thought it better to be part of the
In camp.