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That's an interesting piece of information. Over on another forum in the eyes of a rabid EU supporter who resists all attempts to absorb of even acknowledge other viewpoints & is very quick to accuse populist equals nationalist equals fascist equals racist.
It isn t.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendums_in_the_United_Kingdom
Is there any language you want me to translate this into? Simple English? Kiswahili? It helps a great deal if you actually understand the legal basis of the point you try to argue.
They may try to wiggle out of this one but they've so far said they won't. If they do it in an obvious way, it will be quite a blow to UK credibility globally in my view. The optics won't look good.
There are less obvious ways to do it though, and I'm curious to see if any will come about in the next year or so.
A referendum is when Parliament defers its sovereignty to the people on one issue and the convention is that it follows that decision. It is impossible to have a referendum that is not executed. If it is not executed, it is not a referendum, It is an opinion poll.
It is the binding nature of convention that sets our constitution apart from many many other nations and it is built on mutual trust by those in power. Something pretty amazing. There are those who lobby for a written constitution but, at the moment, convention makes up a solid cornerstone and cannot be undermined.
There is no reason why you should believe this but there are plenty of good books out there on UK constitutional law.
As to the result, any government who would reverse an historic referendum because a few thousand people march down the street waving banners & listening to buffoons like Geldorf, would loose all credibility & most likely be gone come the next election.
Yes it's a warped take on democracy indeed. 'We respect your right to vote but only if you vote for us'. Having seen news footage of this protest (I wonder who's organising these events?) I wasn't impressed by the calibre of a large proportion of those taking part.
At the end of the day the British public was asked a question, they gave an answer. End of story. That they cannot/will not accept that speaks far more about them than it does the silent majority who have voted to reclaim British sovereignty.
theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/01/pounded-by-the-pound-brexit-erotic-novel-chuck-tingle
:-O
love the EU and would never leave no matter what the referendum result was. :))
You're now telling me it isn't usual to go on protest marches before a referendum is held, but after? So to be sure your voice isn't heard in time? Yes, there may have been protests, we have them all the time here. Couple of people standing in front of parliament. But those are so common you tend to ignore them. You have them as well I know from the numerous visits I made to the UK.
If they don't follow the refrendum, you're in deep trouble, making the shism that has come afore now a lot deeper. If you want to destroy your economy and political system, that's the way to go. Inciting social unrest. Now I've learned pro-EU people indeed seem to stop at nothing, but warning for war and then steering towards it yourself is a bit... well....
We are already in deep trouble. Thank you for pointing it out for us again, as a foreigner that's truly kind of you. Trust that, should we ever feel the need to hear foreign advice somebody will doubtlessly think of your kind offer. Until then it's perhaps a bit contradictory in a discussion that's centred about unwelcome foreign interference to become overly vocal about it. As a foreigner I mean. If you catch my drift. ;)
London voted overwhelmingly to stay. It's also the centre of the financial district, which perhaps has the most to lose in the Brexit scenario. As I said earlier, that's not entirely a bad thing for the long run of the country, although the implications for the short term are discomforting.
At the end of the day, London is not the entire UK, or even the whole of England for that matter. In fact, to some extent Brexit arguably was as much a protest against London as against Brussels.
Illuminati confirmed.
Mind you, I don't say that it should be ignored, that would be disastrous. I merely point out that some apparently aren't exactly on the same page about this referendum. That's why the next election should in my view come as soon as possible. What government there is now is unlikely to be a very stable affair in any case. May will have the support of her party for now. That's going to change with each month the process takes.
I thought you were pro EU, I'm just doing what Brussels has been doing since the seventies: pointing out the obvious and telling you what to do. So as a pro-EU voter you should be thankfull! :-P
The economy is still doing fine, stockmarkets have been going up fast to make good the losses over the Brexit vote, the French are claiming not to go after your companies. All in all, you shouldn't be too worried. The only real crisis you've got is the political backstabbing one. I hope none wil lnow for Gove. Allthough the remain chapter might want that: he's been backstabbing so much he might as well stab the whole Leave movement in one go.
As a Scot I appreciate your campaigning though I can't help wondering what kind of a stake you have in the matter? As a foreigner speaking of social unrest in the UK? Accusing protesters of undemocratic intentions?
Such concern is rare these days and quite frankly heartwarming. Only it also sounds just a wee bit false and duplicitous. Makes me think of a song me dad used to sing
'Your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie'
Just so you know what I'm telling you, 'friend'. ;)
Maybe they think that sort privilege isn't enough. Perhaps government should double the worth of the vote to the people from the City, and the rest should have their vote resized to 1/2.
I find these protests rather fascinating. The middle and upper class protesting against the working masses. Almost like a comedy sketch.
" Stop getting voting wrong ! " :))
Defo confirmed now on the forums.
Well it's kind of you to put it like that. First and foremost, I'm not campaigning at all. Why would I? It's your country and moreover, the referendum is in the past, so it makes little sense. Second, I'm not accusing any of your lovely protesters of anything, other then an odd sense of timing. Again I'd have thought the common sense thing to do is make your voice heard before an election/ referendum. As it is, in my view, more effective. But considering the number of people protesting this 'sense'may not be as 'common' as I thought.
Considering the unrest: I may have voiced my slight preference for the Brexit, as I'd hoped it would then be clear to the EU politicians democratic reforms are long overdue in the EU. However this does not mean I want the EU to 'wither and die'. We have a lot to lose, as the Dutch, if things go downhill in the UK. Even with the UK out of the EU. Just as an example, ever heard of Royal DUTCH Shell? The Royal part isn't yours, it's ours.
Somehow you seem to think that there's only one way to the future and you missed it. I think you're wrong and there are many ways. But looking back and beeing all grumpy because things didn't go your way isn't going to help.
But I get it, you prefer to make things personal, as I'm obviously the new Blofeld having preffered the 'wrong' side in your eyes.