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How old are you exactly? Because in that profile pic you don't look 71 which is the absolute minimum you would need to be to have been a new born baby in 1945.
By the time the EU got into its stride the Cold War was pretty much over and as someone who did live through that particular conflict I can attest to the fact that Europe was just the battleground where it was fought with the frontline being Berlin. European countries didn't stop a Third World War. Common sense prevailing in Washington and Moscow did.
You might as well say Belgium was responsible for winning WW1 and WW2 because that was where the battles were fought.
We Norwegians tell jokes abut the Swedes. Other examples? Do our hottentot members tell jokes abot the pygmes for example? I know the Swiss tell jokes about those daft Austrians.
PS still waiting for any causal evidence re EU bringing peace
PPS James Dyson has gone on the record today saying trade if we come out will not be an issue (in the Telegraph).
Sadly, all you are saying is reflecting in the polls:
Compared to the Scotland Independence Referendum two years ago, the chance that a country 'leaves' from a unity this time is much bigger.
Do not forget that The Netherlands is fearing a #Brexit too, as written in this article:
http://www.nu.nl/brexit/4274958/brexit-kost-nederland-10-miljard-volgens-cpb.html
Netherlands is a relatively big trade partner of the UK. And the CPB (Dutch Government Statistics Bureau) is calculating that a Brexit will cost The Netherlands until 2013 €10 Billion.
Like I said many times. We have a saying in Holland. "Van een koude kermis thuiskomen" :-(. But I'm starting to get afraid. The "Leave"-vote in a way seems to be less fearless, and at least more positive....how weird that may sound, as the actual outcome later on will prove very negative. But that's the situation. In The Netherlands we are bracing ourselves....here in Barcelona, Catalunya too.
Self made men like Dyson have the ability to think "out of the box" and look at the facts coldly rather than run with the pack.
And he clearly thinks that the scare tactics are "cobblers".
I know that inners will pull his opinions to pieces and thats OK but for those who are undecided, IMHO , this guy deserves to be heard and his opinions considered.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/sir-james-dyson-so-if-we-leave-the-eu-no-one-will-trade-with-us/
So where is the good reason to stay?
This seems to be a lot of people's attitude - 'well they haven't really made the case to leave so I'll vote stay.'
This is the wrong approach IMO. The question you should be asking is 'if we weren't in the EU, would we be clamouring to join it now?'
The Netherlands as a whole are not fearing a Brexit. I am certainly not.
There was a recent survey from a Dutch newspaper ("De Telegraaf" / "The Telegraph") where 80% are in favor of a Brexit and 88% want a referendum about The Netherlands leaving the EU.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/watuzegt/25920298/__Britten_moeten_in_EU_blijven__.html
Now I am not claiming that this represents the whole of NL, but it certainly shows you can't claim that "we, The Netherlands" are fearing a Brexit or bracing for it.
And regarding the 10 billion cost (1,2 % of our total gross domestic product) of a Brexit: that would mean that until 2030 no trade deal would have been made which I find unbelievable.
nice quote too:
Personally, I'd prefer it if the French left though, I think things would run a lot smoother then, but I don't think that's ever going to happen...
"De Telegraaf" is the English equivalent of trash tabloid "The Sun". It's also the American equivalent of trash tabloid "New York Post". I understand you use polls from such biased right-wing press, but the fact is that independent polling institutes like NIPO, TNS and Ipsos give you a clearer and more neutral picture.
Count me in on that one.
Trains on strike, bins on strike, air traffic control about to go on strike.
The 3rd biggest sporting event in the world has just started but no one particularly interested in sorting this mess out. Hollande is wetter than Cameron. No wonder Merkel does what she wants with no one to keep her in check.
In Marseille tonight after the match the buses will have stopped running. They are generously extending the tube to 2am but with a frequency of one every 4 mins to cope with 70k fans I think I'll just walk back to the car rather than stand on the platform for hours. And the tube drivers will probably strike this afternoon so the tube won't even turn up post match.
The contrast between how well run Germany 06 was is pretty stark.
How about the UK votes leave and then sets up a splinter trading block with Netherlands who also vote out. Get Sweden and Denmark in as well and then in a few years when our new block is punching above it's weight against the ailing EU pop the big question and get Germany in. Then close membership. Sorted.
That would be fantastic.
Don't count on it. The Netherlands at the moment is leading an initiative to build the biggest windmill park ever in human history. The preferred location for that is the Doggersbank in the Northsea. Secretary of Economic Affairs of The Netherlands is leading the initiative and it will include the "Northsea 10" (The 3 Benelux countries -Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg-, France, Belgium, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, Norway & Sweden).
The purpose of it? To make the actual creation of such a massive windmill park more cheaper. By shared purchasing and development of windmill facilities, building the world's largest windmill park becomes cheaper.
Secretary of Economic Affairs, Henk Kamp had this to say: "We really have to get rid of our dependence on fossil energy, like oil and gas. We already see the difficulty of drilling for gas in The Netherlands is already pressing heavily on the Dutch economy. And the way Russia and Venezuela deal with the low oil prices makes us worried. So expect a future in which the North Sea will be entirely flooded with wind mills."
Two days ago Dutch energy utilities company TenneT, who is working together with the Dutch government and the European Union on this, already suggested to facilitate such a windmill park by creating a so called "power point island".
This needs to be coordinated at European level, of interlinked offshore interconnectors, i.e. a so-called interconnection hub, combined with large-scale wind power. Any surplus wind power could be converted into other forms of energy, or stored. Situating this interconnection hub on a modularly constructed island in a relatively shallow part of the North Sea would result in significant cost savings.
The big thing is this: The United Kingdom wasn't included in these talks. Simply put, because at this stage it's too risky to include the UK in this huge, massive energy proposal, as long as there's a good possibility that Brexit will happen. And secondly, the UK doesn't want to be included themselves. Apparently, they do not share the idea of cost savings.
I find it a pity. Why is the UK behaving like this? I call this a perfect example of how countries are working together, even with help of supranational institutions like the EU and big energy companies like TenneT. And the long-term effects? Energy independence, and better prospects for long-term prosperity and welfare, as we stop relying on oil and gas.
The above is a clear example on how we can make our economies more resilient on long-term negative effects like the depletion of oil and gas. Thus it's inevitable that internationalism is the key to our future.
Dyson has just replaced Hoover now as the make everyone thinks of when it comes to vacuum cleaners, not particularly well built but mass marketed and seen as the industry leader.
We weren't falling for it again, I recommend a Shark so much better, Dyson are so much more poorly made but that is about par the course for most things in this disposable world we live in.
I'm voting in personally, listening to that caricature bumbling Boris makes my head hurt and Farage's utter bollocks and patronising, his say on TV earlier in the week was insulting and misleading.
Whenever Boris comes up on Have I Got News For You these days I see the bemused look on Merton & Hislop, they must wonder what happened, this guy was a laughing stock once a side show joke on this program, what did we do? First London Mayor and now aspirations of more ambition, where will it end?
Reminds me of an episode of Charlie Brooker's rather brilliant Black Mirror where a a foul mouthed cartoon character with questionable morales ( a man in a suit ) become so popular with the general public that he becomes elected as the next Prime Minister and ruling Government, then they show the future that ensues at the end.
Brooker a student of that other brilliant British satarist Chris Morris (Four Lions) who was prophetic with the brilliant Day Today and Brass Eye, you just need to look at Sky News or Jeremy Kyle to see that CM was pretty on the nose. The infamous paedophile special they did on Brass Eye to see that their take on it might have caused rafts of complaints in the tabloids and horrified middle Britain back then but seeing the way the media portrays it now it feels like a documenatry.
I worry that we might be giving power to our own supposed cuddly version of Drumpf, on a completely different planet to most of us, a life of privilledge that causes him to have no idea of real life, therefore totally unrelatable to average man in the street.
Yes he's funny and a character but in a position of power doing a job that millions of people rely on, no thanks. Politics is far too full of people who have no idea of everyday life and it scares me to think who's next to rise to a position of power considering the horrible reality of Donald Trump at the moment.
I see how many have been drawn under Donald's spell and can't seem to see this is utterly obscene, well that is what I think a good majority of the rest of the world thinks. Boris while nowhere as offensive is like Trump a million miles from the people he's trying to appeal to, time we had some real people in politics instead of these over privilledged idiots who are taking us all for a ride.
And yet UK isn't. Even Norway in it doesn't make the UK think that at least on some aspects an international approach works.
However, I've already sent off my postal vote for remain because I think that leaving the EU would be a huge step backwards. Above all it provides a framework for international cooperation, whether it's on the environment, security, trade, or war, and that's got to be a good thing.
I also think that the EU provides an essential break on any national governments who would otherwise be happy to infringe on civil liberties. I have more faith in the EU to uphold workers rights, freedom of the press, and the right to a fair trial than I do the current Tory government.
It's by no means perfect, and a lot more needs to be done to make people feel like the EU bureaucrats are listening to them (particularly on freedom of movement). This is why I think we need to be optimistic about a democratic, internationalist Europe, rather than retreating into ourselves and accepting whatever scraps the EU and US want to throw at us on our own. We British do best when we're at the lead of a united Europe, so let's shoot for that, eh?
Bravo ^:)^
I am against a referendum simply because it is never about the real matter like we had the Ukraine referendum which was basically people voting with any insight but largely it was about other matters and people treat it as if they won and it was only a bloody advisory referendum. Screw any referendum anytime soon.
If the UK leaves fine with me, it will once again cost a lot of money and we all know who is going to foot that bill. Not the wealthy lot but the common workman/woman.
As for bureaucrats they have been around for a long time and will be, they will continue to exist in any union of government. And they will always object to true transparency in earning and spending. They like lobbyists are essentially what is the bane of democracy.
http://www.nu.nl/politiek/4275901/doggersbank-definitief-aangewezen-als-beschermd-natuurgebied.html
I'm all for projects like that though, but you don't need the EU for that. You can just work together as countries.
@SaintMark that's a bold anti-democratic statement! I knew exactly why I voted in the Ukraine referendum, so speak for yourself on these matters will you?
And you're wrong on bureaucrats as well. Yes we need some, but the Swiss have shown that you can be very democratic, very well run (like clockwork! ;-) ) and with transparency. The current EU is everything but. The EU has neglected signals that people in Europe are fed up with their schemes (the French referendum, 2 Dutch ones) and now pay the bill with the Brexit referendum . And this time it isn't the little man paying for it, it's the banks. Why do you think they react all panicing?
By the way, the United Kingdom is 'United' no?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/11/uk-voters-back-norway-style-brexit-poll-reveals/
But I'm afraid such an idea might be in vain. A Norway-style Brexit seems unrealistic. Why?
Asked whether the UK could be granted a Norwegian or Swiss-style deal, Germany's finance minister told Der Spiegel the UK will not have access to the single market if it votes for Brexit on June 23: