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A staffy would make an interesting, modern day alternative to a shark?
PS anyone remember in First Blood, you dont see Rambo kill the dog with his knife, just an offscreen yelp. (we digress as usual)
PPS I was thinking a modern Fatima Blush type character could have a trained Cheater ? try running from that! (faster than a snake)
Basically it's a no-win situation....she was going to die.
Perhaps the only thing she really should have done is remove her shoes before making a break for it to allow for better acceleration, grip and pace in the forest, but that wouldn't have saved her from those dogs.
It was game over as soon as it started.
Then reload and give the same to Chang and Drax.
Then quip 'No it's you who's fired Hugo.'
Title Track: Moonraker
Title Credits: Moonraker
Main Villain: Moonraker
Main Bond Girl: Spectre
Henchman: Spectre
Overall Plot: Moonraker
Dialogue: Spectre
Score: Moonraker
Settings: Spectre
Action: Spectre
Humor: Spectre
Cinematography: Spectre
Benign Bizarre: Spectre
Suspense: Spectre
Minor Characters: Spectre
Glamour: Spectre
Bond Performance: Spectre
SP: 13
MR: 5
I think everyone feels bruised and battered at the end of this round.
Some knockouts, too.
Moonraker vs. Spectre
PTS: TIE
Title Track: MR
Title Credits: SP
Main Villain: MR
Main Bond Girl: SP
Henchman: MR (for Chang's battle cries, and Jaws)
Overall Plot: SP (I guess. Neither is super strong or complex)
Dialogue: MR
Score: MR (handily)
Settings: MR (handily)
Action: TIE
Humor: MR
Cinematography: MR
Benign Bizarre: TIE*
Suspense: SP
Minor Characters: MR (for all the ladies)
Glamour: MR (Lewis Gilbert Bond films should never lose this category)
Bond Performance: TIE
Final score: 10 - 4 - 4 in favor of Moonraker, which I do rank as a better film although not by too much (probably about 3-5 notches).
* On the topic of the "Benign Bizarre" category - I think it's pretty strange that it is in this tally, frankly. I'm not saying that it is a bad thing in a Bond film, but I think that to take it as a "plus" for every Bond film that contains more of it than whatever it's going up against is a little odd. I think some Bond films benefit from that benign bizarre factor more than others (for example, Guy Hamilton's Bond films vs. John Glen's). Hamilton utilized the bizarre elements of Bond's world much stronger than Glen and with more stylistic confidence, and therefore those elements in his movies are a positive, whereas Glen's come off as much more jarring and off-putting for me. Maybe I've rambled on a bit too much about something that is really quite irrelevant.
For the record here, I do like the BB factor in most Bond films. I'm not necessarily arguing that it be removed, but I do think it's a bit strange to immediately assume that whichever film "wins" this category deserves a "point" towards its quality (although this qualitative stuff is a little bit of fun nonsense at the end of the day anyways, isn't it, so I should just shutup).
PTS: SP
Title track: SP
Titles: SP
Main villain: SP
Main Bond Girl: FYEO
Henchman: SP
Plot: FYEO
Dialogue: FYEO
Score: FYEO
Settings: FYEO
Action: FYEO
Humour: SP
Cinematography: SP
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: FYEO
Minor Characters: FYEO
Glamour: SP
Bond performance: FYEO
FYEO - 9
SP - 9
PTS: Tie
Title track: FYEO (it is one of my favourites)
Titles: Tie
Main villain: Tie (both are not good and two great actors are a bit wasted)
Main Bond Girl: FYEO
Henchman: FYEO (Hinx is strong but nothing else, he is also not successfull like Loque who at least kills a few people)
Plot: FYEO
Dialogue: FYEO
Score: FYEO
Settings: FYEO
Action: FYEO
Humour: Tie
Cinematography: Tie (both have great cinematography)
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: FYEO
Minor Characters: SP (Bibi ruins it)
Glamour: Tie (I like the Casino secene in FYEO very much)
Bond performance: FYEO
FYEO - 10
SP - 2
Tie - 6
Title track: SP
Titles: SP
Main villain: SP
Main Bond Girl: SP
Henchman: SP
Plot: FYEO
Dialogue: FYEO
Score: SP
Settings: FYEO
Action: FYEO
Humour: SP
Cinematography: Tie
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: SP
Minor Characters: SP
Glamour: SP
Bond performance: Tie
FYEO - 4
SP - 11
Tie - 2
Title track: FYEO
Titles: SP (Kleinman)
Main villain: SP (for the acting and screen presence)
Main Bond Girl: SP
Henchman: SP (both in memorable but the brutal hinx fight secures this victory)
Plot: FYEO
Dialogue: SP (I'll give it for the MI6 dialogue alone)
Score: FYEO
Settings: FYEO (more time spent at the locations)
Action: FYEO
Humour: SP
Cinematography: SP
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: SP
Minor Characters: SP (FYEO is forgettable in this department. Columbo is the only stand out)
Glamour: SP
Bond performance: Tie
FYEO - 5
SP - 12
Tie - 1
Surprisingly SPECTRE wins! Or perhaps not surprising. By the elements spectre fares quite well, but not when you put it all together
Title track: FYEO (not keen on either)
Titles: SP (Not keen on SP's but FYEO's is bland)
Main villain: SP (tough one but I think Blofeld at least has presence. Like one of my faves TLD - the villains are not a strength in FYEO)
Main Bond Girl: FYEO (strong character motivation, good presence and style, effective)
Henchman: SP (Another strength of SP)
Plot: FYEO (I like the elements - cold war, revenge and the mystery of the villain's identity)
Dialogue: FYEO
Score: FYEO (I give this for two reasons - A Drive In The Country and one of my favourites - Submarine. Even if it has some awful moments too like 'make it last all night!!')
Settings: FYEO (A strength of both films but I love the snow and sea settings - both used very well for action and tension scenes. The monastery is iconic for me too.)
Action: FYEO (I like SP's action but FYEO has so much great stuff - my favourite of Moore's outings. PTS helicopter stunts are awesome, citerion car chase is inventive and unusual, the skiing and Locque chases great, keel hauling sequence is tense and the mountain climb climax excellent.)
Humour: SP (I like the humour in SP. FYEO's is misguided - head slapping PTS, Bibi, hockey fight)
Cinematography: FYEO (I like how both are filmed.)
Benign Bizarre: SP (Mainly because FYEO doesn't have too much strangeness)
Suspense: FYEO (the suspense builds up due to the uncertain source of villainy. Individual scenes are great for this too. Keel haul and mountain climbing especially)
Minor Characters: FYEO (mr white and q are great in SP. Mr white's scene is a highlight. Bibi is a let down - but so is Denbeigh. Overall SP has more memorable minor characters - but - if I can't put Colombo in villain or henchman category - then he must count as a 'minor character' in the terms of this category selection - just as I would put Kerim bey in 'minor characters' for FRWL.)
Glamour: FYEO
Bond performance: FYEO (Moore is excellent at times in this - his kicking the car scene is iconic and just as memorable as any of the lighter moments he had in the franchise)
FYEO - 12
SP - 6
FYEO wins.
SP did very well in this considering FYEO would probably be top ten for me. Cut Bibi, ice hockey and Maggie thatcher out of this film and it's even higher. I think the water sequences in this film are actually better than most water sequences in the franchise - the keel haul and diving sequences are actually very tense and threatening. SP has some quality things too - and I think for something like cinematography or minor characters it could be a tie - but i refuse to give them in this thread.
Title track: FYEO (this is damn close because I personally think both these songs are total shiite, but I give it to Sheena because she's a looker)
Titles: SP (even though she's a looker it was offensive to see her mug in the title sequence. I'm assuming she demanded it. So Kleinman for the win)
Main villain: SP (Useless though this iteration of Blofeld may be, Kristatos is one of the most forgettable villains in the franchise, apart from that loser Renard)
Main Bond Girl: FYEO (Both attractive French babes, but Melina is one of the greats, and Bouquet is just too gorgeous).
Henchman: SP (I don't rate Hinx as highly as others here, but compared to the completely forgettable Kriegler, this is an easy win)
Plot: FYEO (easily -simple revenge, without any family nonsense)
Dialogue: SP (it's close, and both are subpar, but FYEO has too few memorable lines)
Score: FYEO (even though it's terribly unbalanced and marred by the disco tunes, the slower bits, the gunbarrel and the 'Submarine' track give it the win. Additionally, it incorporates Sheena's title track nicely)
Settings: FYEO (gorgeous 'real' locales and beautifully filmed)
Action: FYEO (easy win just on the basis of the ski sequence)
Humour: SP (FYEO is a particularly serious affair, and that's not a good thing)
Cinematography: FYEO (sorry. I don't like piss colouring)
Benign Bizarre: SP (FYEO is one of the more down to earth Bond films and SP has more of the old school Bond weirdness factor)
Suspense: FYEO (ski sequence, keelhauling, mountain climbing)
Minor Characters: FYEO (Columbo, Luigi, Bibi)
Glamour: SP (only on the basis of the train sequence and Mrs. Sciarra)
Bond performance: FYEO (Easy win. One of Rog's more serious efforts easily shades Craig's worst performance as Bond imho)
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FYEO - 11
SP - 7
I rank FYEO much higher as a film than I do SP, but SP has performed remarkably well here, because FYEO has fewer real high spots in comparison to some of the other great Bond films of the past.
Title track: FYEO
Titles: SP
Main villain: FYEO
Main Bond Girl: FYEO
Henchman: TIE
Plot: FYEO
Dialogue: FYEO
Score: FYEO
Settings: FYEO
Action: FYEO
Humour: FYEO
Cinematography: TIE
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: FYEO (mountain climbing, ski jump sequence)
Minor Characters: FYEO
Glamour: SP
Bond performance: FYEO
12 - 2 - 4 to FYEO
Title track: FYEO (love me some Sheena)
Titles: FYEO (See above)
Main villain: FYEO (the slimy Kristatos is marginally better than Waltz's muddled Blofeld)
Main Bond Girl: FYEO (Melina is one of the best!)
Henchman: SP
Plot: FYEO (a simple, Cold War affair that is nicely paced)
Dialogue: SP (nothing of interest in FYEO)
Score: FYEO (Love it, disco and all)
Settings: FYEO (beautiful location work)
Action: FYEO (slam dunk)
Humour: FYEO
Cinematography: FYEO (mainly because of the location work- beats Spectre's filter)
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: FYEO (climbing scene alone)
Minor Characters: FYEO
Glamour: SP
Bond performance: FYEO (Moore is bloody fantastic)
FYEO- 14
SP- 4
Title track: FYEO - underated IMHO
Titles: FYEO - Sheena is great
Main villain: FYEO Walz is asleep
Main Bond Girl: FYEO -
Henchman: SP
Plot: FYEO
Dialogue: SP (but close)
Score: FYEO - SP too generic
Settings: FYEO - a crispness
Action: FYEO
Humour: FYEO
Cinematography: FYEO
Benign Bizarre: SP
Suspense: FYEO
Minor Characters: FYEO
Glamour: SP (train scene semi works)
Bond performance: FYEO - Craig struggles, Roger doesn't
Also 14-4 to FYEO
this one shot when Gonzalez and Melina fly over that one island and you look at the Havelocks' boat is one of my favourite camera shots. It is not very special but I like its natural character...
It's funny, that scene stuck with me upon my last viewing, as well.