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Spectre versus the field: Skyfall

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  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: QOS
    Title Credits: SP
    Main Villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: QOS
    Henchman: SP
    Overall Plot: TIE
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: QOS
    Settings: SP
    Action: TIE
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: SP
    Suspense: TIE
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: TIE

    SP- 11
    QOS- 3
    TIE - 4


  • tanaka123tanaka123
    Posts: 4,325
    Time for Skyfall?
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    I'll give it one more day or two for final entries, then we'll move on to the final game (for now).
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2017 Posts: 13,978
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Tie
    Title Credits: Spectre
    Main Villain: Spectre
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Spectre
    Dialogue: Spectre
    Score: Spectre
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: Spectre
    Cinematography: Spectre
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: Spectre
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Quantum Of Solace: 0
    Spectre: 17
    Tie: 1
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Spectre
    Title Credits: Spectre
    Main Villain: Spectre
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Spectre
    Dialogue: Spectre
    Score: Spectre
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: Spectre
    Cinematography: Spectre
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: Spectre
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Quantum Of Solace: 0
    Spectre: 18

    Ow Major !!

  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    edited March 2017 Posts: 1,187
    Is that a first?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2017 Posts: 13,978
    QOS has it's fans here, and while SP isn't perfect, QOS feels like a blatant Bourne rip-off.

    EDIT:
    I've altered my selections. Title track changed to a tie, as they're both abysmal. QOS makes no sense whatsoever, and SP was inaudible due to Sam Smith screeching.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Fair enough,but 18-0 ....SP has finally had its moment in the Sun hahaha ;)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited March 2017 Posts: 13,978
    I went back and edited both previous posts to this one. My score should now read QOS:0, SP: 17, Tie: 1.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    hahaha brilliant...nice one Major !
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,423
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: QoS (shoot me I like it. A proto theme song for a proto Bond)
    Title Credits: Spectre
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS (a rare one that my dear Dr. Swann has been defeted)
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Spectre
    Dialogue: QoS (sparse but great)
    Score: QoS
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Quantum Of Solace: 8
    Spectre: 10

    Close, yet a reversal of my current rankings.
  • NSGWNSGW London
    Posts: 299
    PTS: QoS
    Title Track: Spectre
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: Spectre
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: Spectre
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: Spectre
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: QoS

    Quantum Of Solace: 10
    Spectre: 8
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
    Posts: 1,889
    PTS: SPECTRE
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: SPECTRE
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Henchman: SPECTRE
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: SPECTRE
    Benign Bizarre: SPECTRE
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: SPECTRE
    Bond Performance: QoS

    Quantum Of Solace: 12
    SPECTRE: 6
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    PTS: SPECTRE
    Title Track: QoS
    Title Credits: QoS
    Main Villain: QoS
    Main Bond Girl: QoS
    Henchman: SPECTRE
    Overall Plot: QoS
    Dialogue: QoS
    Score: QoS
    Settings: QoS
    Action: QoS
    Humour: QoS
    Cinematography: QoS
    Suspense: QoS
    Minor Characters: QoS
    Glamour: QoS
    Bond Performance: QoS

    Quantum Of Solace: 15
    SPECTRE: 2
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Let the sky fall
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    And so we come to the end of our penultimate matchup, and it's a win for Quantum of Solace by a margin of 341-221-14. That's a bit of a better showing for Spectre than the games, which QoS won by a margin of 22-9-1. Anyway, time for the final match of our game, for now at least, as SP takes on the other Craig mononym, Skyfall! I'll be spelling out the names to prevent confusion, perhaps you would like to as well.


    PTS: Skyfall (close one)
    Title Track: Skyfall (given that WOTW is basically a bad imitation of it)
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall (by a country mile)
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre (thanks to the ambiguity of Skyfall's Bond girl situation)
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Skyfall (not great, but still much better)
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall (I kind of like the Skyfall theme, so there you go)
    Settings: Spectre (Skyfall spends too much time in London, although they do use it very well)
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: Skyfall (hello, Silva!)
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Spectre (this was surprisingly difficult)
    Glamour: Skyfall (maybe not glamour, per se, but I needed to reward its celebration of all things English dignity somehow)
    Bond Performance: Skyfall


    Skyfall triumphs by a margin of 13-5! Its flaws allowed Spectre to pick up a few categories, but ultimately it's just a much stronger movie, as evidenced by their respective rankings (6 and 16) on the old Bond-o-meter. Anyway, now that that's taken care of, let's see your scores, shall we?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489


    PTS: SPECTRE
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: SPECTRE
    Main Bond Girl: SPECTRE
    Henchman: SPECTRE
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall
    Settings: SPECTRE
    Action: SPECTRE
    Humour: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: Skyfall
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: SPECTRE
    Glamour: Skyfall
    Bond Performance: Skyfall



    SPECTRE: 7
    Skyfall: 11

    Perhaps we can pit Skyfall against every movie from DN to QOS later, seeing that the other thread is dead.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited March 2017 Posts: 7,134
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Spectre
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: Spectre
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Performance: Skyfall
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Skyfall: 8
    Spectre: 10
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730


    PTS: skyfall
    Title Track: SPECTRE
    Title Credits: they both suck maybe skyfall
    Main Villain: skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: spectre
    Henchman:spectre
    Overall Plot: they both suck maybe skyfall
    Dialogue: skyfall
    Score: skyfall
    Settings: SPECTRE
    Action: SPECTRE
    Humour: SPECTRE
    Cinematography: SPECTRE
    Benign Bizarre: SPECTRE
    Suspense: skyfall
    Minor Characters: SPECTRE
    Glamour: skyfall
    Bond Performance: skyfall



    SPECTRE: 9
    Skyfall: 9

    Yeah I guess that's fair I usually can't decide which one I like better I guess skyfall is probably slightly better but not marginally and. My opinion does flip flop so a tie is accurate for me
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: Spectre
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Skyfall: 8
    Spectre: 9

    And benign bizarre, @GoldenGun ?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited March 2017 Posts: 7,134
    Forgot about that, just added it. ;)
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    PTS: SP
    Title Track: SP
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SF (Severeine)
    Henchman: SF (Patrice)
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: SF
    Score: SF
    Settings: SF
    Action: SF
    Humour: SF
    Cinematography: SF
    Benign Bizarre: SF
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SF
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SF

    SKYFALL: 15
    SPECTRE: 3


  • MilovyMilovy
    Posts: 676
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Skyfall
    Title Credits: Skyfall
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Skyfall
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Skyfall
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Skyfall
    Settings: Skyfall
    Action: Skyfall
    Humour: Skyfall
    Cinematography: Skyfall
    Benign Bizarre: Skyfall
    Suspense: Skyfall
    Minor Characters: Skyfall
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Skyfall

    Skyfall: 15
    Spectre: 3
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Tie
    Title Credits: Spectre
    Main Villain: Skyfall
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Spectre
    Dialogue: Skyfall
    Score: Spectre
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humour: Spectre
    Cinematography: Spectre
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: Spectre
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Skyfall: 2
    Spectre: 15
    Tie: 1
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    Birdleson wrote: »
    We can do SP vs SP next. I bet that it even loses that one.

    Of course that would mean it had won

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    SP vs SF

    PTS: SF (Tense from start to finish with some great stunts thrown in for good measure. A classic sequence only bettered in the Craig universe by the QoS car chase and CR African sequence imho).
    Title track: SF (Please).
    Titles: SF (I love how the PTS segues into Adele's track).
    Main villain: SF (Not even worth explaining. Bardem sh!#$ all over whatever it was that Waltz was peddling).
    Main Bond Girl: SF (If it's Marlohe, but not if it's Harris or Dench)!
    Henchman: SP (A win by default, so nothing to write home about).
    Plot: SF (Lambasted frequently by the haters here, it's at least coherent & doesn't base its premise on long lost love & hate).
    Dialogue: SF (It could win just on the museum sequence alone, but there's so much more including the word association scene, Bardem's monologue, Dench/Fiennes etc. etc).
    Score: SF (Newman did a very good job on his first outing. Fits the film perfectly. Sadly, he didn't have much of an entry to score on his second attempt so I don't blame the man for phoning it in).
    Settings: SF (Whatever locations they used in SF, they made it look good).
    Action: SF (Just on the pretitles alone, it wins. The Skyfall ranch finale is excellent as well despite being reminiscent of Home Alone, Macgyver & A-Team).
    Humour: SF (I'm laughing with the film in the case of SF and not at it).
    Cinematography: SF (Please).
    Benign Bizarre: SF (Bardem, his face and his abode).
    Suspense: SF (It can win just on the pretitles in comparison to the sleepfest that succeeded it).
    Minor Characters: SF (Scooby delivers in the earlier film and fails in the later entry. Kincaide adds humour).
    Glamour: SF (Severine staring down Bond across skyscrapers with Newman's score kicking in is one of the best scenes in the Craig era).
    Bond performance: SF (Please).

    SF: 17
    SP: 1

    A final deserved thrashing. Glad we're done with this. It hasn't been pretty.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    vzok wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    We can do SP vs SP next. I bet that it even loses that one.

    Of course that would mean it had won

    Perhaps now would be an appropriate time for Alien vs. Predator's tagline:

    "Whoever wins, we lose."
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,041
    bondjames wrote: »
    SP vs SF

    SF: 17
    SP: 1

    A final deserved thrashing. Glad we're done with this. It hasn't been pretty.
    You're saving me such a lot of work, bondjames, that I won't even discuss any petty differences I might find, but rather totally endorse your final result. In my view, SF is one of the best (my no. 2, but I can understand people not wanting to go that route) Bond films ever, and SP might have followed suit...but didn't. And instead ended up in the great non-descript "neiterh fish nor fowl" range.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    edited March 2017 Posts: 2,730
    The plot category is interesting because on one hand, skyfall has a story which is a good story, but it doesn't add up and they are lots of details that are quite impossible, Raul Silva has this definitively impossible unrealistic stupid plan, but at least it's an entertaining story. SPECTRE , while it doesn't have many "plot holes" has such a little story and that little story is so boring and just pathetic that even though for the longest time I didn't like skyfall and it's story, it is way better then whatever SPECTRE was
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,138
    Skyfall versus Spectre

    PTS: SP
    Title Track: SF
    Title Credits: SF
    Main Villain: SF
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: SP (Hinx is surprisingly effective)
    Overall Plot: SF
    Dialogue: TIE
    Score: SF
    Settings: SP
    Action: TIE
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: TIE
    Suspense: SF
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SF
    Bond Performance: SP

    Skyfall: 7
    Spectre: 8
    Tie: 3

    A narrow win for Spectre.
    Skyfall is quickly advancing up my overall ranking.
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