Spectre versus the field: Skyfall

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  • Does anybody have a ballot they'd like to offer before it's time to move on to the next round?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Doesn t look like it.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited July 2016 Posts: 9,117
    We're on tenterhooks for SP to surely bag its first win this time round.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited July 2016 Posts: 9,117
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't see it winning for me, but it will certainly start making a few inroads.

    You dont think it will beat DAF? SP really isn't that bad.
  • To nobody's great surprise, On Her Majesty's Secret Service destroys Spectre by a margin of 313-64-1. As the Wiz said, the toughest hurdle is over, and SP moves into the 70's, where it is likely to have significantly more success. With that in mind, it's time to compare SP to 1971's romp Diamonds are Forever!

    PTS: SP
    Title Track: DAF (always thought this was an underrated Bassey tune)
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: SP (a truly uninspiring battle of the Blofelds)
    Main Bond Girl: SP (Tiffany would have won this
    Henchman: SP (Wint and Kidd are a lot of fun, but I do love Big Dave)
    Overall Plot: DAF (another uninspiring battle)
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF (come on, now)
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP (the Hinx fight edges the Peter Franks fight)
    Humor: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF (doesn't get much more bizarre than this one)
    Suspense: DAF (yet another mess)
    Minor Characters: SP (thanks, Mr. White)
    Glamour: DAF (Vegas isn't enough to give it the win on settings, but does get SP here)
    Bond Performance: SP (though Connery is significantly improved here from YOLT)

    Spectre edges a decision at 10-8! This is its first victory in my game, now let's see how yours look.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    PTS: SP
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: SP
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: SP
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DAF
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: DAF
    Bond Performance: SP

    SP 10
    DAF 8
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited July 2016 Posts: 7,207
    Jumping into this for the first time.

    As far as the 60's go, all films would have won in each category against Spectre except YOLT's Mie Hama and TB's Vargas would have lost against Léa Seydoux and Hinx. Also DN's action was no match for SP's.

    Now on to some tighter matches, I suppose:

    DAF vs. SP

    PTS: SP
    Title Track: DAF
    Title Credits: DAF
    Main Villain: DAF
    Main Bond Girl: SP
    Henchman: DAF
    Overall Plot: SP
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humor: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond Performance: SP

    DAF (8) vs. SP (10)

    Bizarre, but Spectre grabs a win here in the first game where it stands a chance.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Pts: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: DAF
    Plot: DAF
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: no idea what that means
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP

    SPECTRE wins.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited July 2016 Posts: 41,011
    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF (Incredible song.)
    Title credits: DAF
    Main villain: DAF (Blofeld in SP does absolutely nothing for me.)
    Main Bond girl: DAF
    Henchman: DAF (Close one, because I really enjoy Hinx)
    Plot: DAF
    Dialogue: DAF (Lot of cringe-worthy lines to be found in SP.)
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: DAF (I enjoy a lot more of the action in this; the only part that is truly interesting and fun for me in SP is the train fight.)
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DAF
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: DAF (Not a tough decision at all.)

    DAF wins, 14-4.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    PTS: SP (DAF's is the worst in the series)
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: DAF
    Main villain: DAF (I really dig Gray's performance)
    Main Bond girl: DAF
    Henchman: DAF
    Plot: DAF (at least it has one)
    Dialogue: DAF (Best in the series)
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP (just)
    Action: DAF
    Humour: DAF (funniest film in the series)
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF (but of course)
    Suspense: DAF
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: DAF (Hilarious dead-pan deliveries from Sean)

    DAF- 14
    SP- 4
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    PTS: SP - a very solid, if unspectacular PTS. Way better that poor dubbing and weakly choreographed fights in mashed potato.

    Title track: DAF - Superb. WOTW is trying to channel this but clearly never going to get close to a classic Barry/Bassey combo.

    Title credits: DAF - Close but love the cat with the necklace segue.

    Main villain: DAF - surprising even myself here by saying I'm going to go with Charles. Waltz does a solid 7/10 job but for him that's phoning it in for him. Gray is just so bloody entertaining throughout I going to let him shade it.

    Main Bond girl: SP - A stunning French bird v a gobby American? No chance.

    Henchman: SP - For me the key attribute of a henchman is to put Bond in peril not crack one liners and place Bond in increasingly convoluted and easily escapable traps. Admittedly Hinx is badly underused and killed too soon but the fight alone wins him this one.

    Plot: DAF - Very close and although DAF also drops off a cliff towards the end the early diamond smuggling stuff sneaks it.

    Dialogue: DAF - Every scene is bristling with cracking exchanges.

    Score: DAF - No explanation required. We all know why.

    Settings: SP - Amsterdam is fine but Vegas comes off as extremely tacky.

    Action: SP - Hinx and Franks fights best things in both films but after that lame moon buggy and lame car chase round the universal backlot v decent PTS, and average car and plane chases enough to see SP home.

    Humour: DAF - 'Mrs Whistler did want some picture of the canals for the children' and 'Alimentary Dr Leiter' get me every time. And DAF is packed with equally good one liners.

    Cinematography: SP - Absolutely no contest here at all despite the yellow filter.

    Benign Bizarre: DAF - Wint & Kidd probably win this on their own as they are pretty weird.

    Suspense: SP - Neither has much but the torture scene does enough to get ASAP over the line.

    Minor Characters: SP - Heresy I know to deny the Herg himself but Mr White and Lucia are proper characters compared to charicatures such as Shady Tree, Saxby and Plenty.

    Glamour: SP - See settings. Power sliding your DB10 past the Vatican comfortably trumps chugging your Mustang past Circus Circus.

    Bond performance: SP - Sean having a great time but clearly only there for the cheque. Dan drops down a notch from his previous 3 but still dies enough.

    SP notches its first win 10-8. A lot closer than I thought it would be to be fair.

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    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: DAF
    Main villain: DAF
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: DAF
    Plot: DAF
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: DAF
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP

    DAF - 10
    SP - 8
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    PTS: Spectre
    Title Track: Spectre*
    Title Credits: Spectre
    Main Villain: Spectre
    Main Bond Girl: Spectre
    Henchman: Spectre
    Overall Plot: Spectre
    Dialogue: Spectre
    Score: Spectre
    Settings: Spectre
    Action: Spectre
    Humor: Spectre
    Cinematography: Spectre
    Benign Bizarre: Spectre
    Suspense: Spectre
    Minor Characters: Spectre
    Glamour: Spectre
    Bond Performance: Spectre

    Total:
    Diamonds Are Forever: 0
    Spectre: 18
    Winner: Spectre

    A savage defeat of Diamonds Are Forever at the hands of Spectre.

    *This category could have gone either way, I don't care of either of them.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,207
    @TheWizardOfIce this must be the first time we agree on everything. :P
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Score, SPECTRE? In the words of Bond pretending to be Peter Franks, you're joking?!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: SP
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP

    SP - 14
    DAF - 4

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Spectre vs Diamonds Are Forever

    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: SP
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP

    SP - 12
    DAF - 6


    A Spectre win, over a much better Bond film than I had previously thought.





  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce this must be the first time we agree on everything. :P

    He's far too cantankerous for that.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: SP
    Main villain: DAF
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: DAF
    Plot: DAF
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: DAF
    Glamour: DAF
    Bond performance: SP

    10-8 DAF
  • GBFGBF
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    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: DAF
    Main villain: DAF
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: DAF
    Plot: DAF (I don't like both)
    Dialogue: DAF
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP (I don't like both)
    Humour: DAF
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP (both have hardly any of it, the Sp Meeting and Mr. White scene decide it)
    Minor Characters: SP. Both are quiet good here.
    Glamour:SP (Sean with an ash tray on his belly? Need I say more?)
    Bond performance: DAF (Close, give it to DAF this time)

    10-8 DAF
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    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: SP
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP

    SP - 15
    DAF - 3
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    @TheWizardOfIce this must be the first time we agree on everything. :P

    He's far too cantankerous for that.

    Well said.
  • KaijuDirectorOO7KaijuDirectorOO7 Once Upon a Time Somewhere...
    edited July 2016 Posts: 189
    Spectre vs. Diamonds Are Forever

    Pre-Titles: Tie. Vengeful Bond and Helicopter stunts are GOOD.

    Title track: DAF hands down. Dame Bassey over Sam Smith any day.

    Title credits: DAF.

    Main villain: DAF.

    Main Bond girl: Spectre. Lea wins, and I'd rather have seen a Tiffany a bit more like her novel counterpart; tough where she needs to be, but damsel-in-distress-ish enough so as not to get too annoying.

    Henchman: DAF. Wint and Kidd sure make a good pair of hitmen. Bambi and Thumper, well... meh.

    Plot: DAF. To quote a certain gentleman tailor named Messer H. Hart, "Give me a far-fetched theatrical plot any day." Or in this case, even more far-fetched.

    Dialogue: Tie. Both have their own grace and charm.

    Score: DAF. John Barry lives forever (pun may or may not be intended), plus the grossly-underrated track Airport Source/On The Road wins me over.

    Settings: DAF. I think I love the Nevada desert now.

    Action: Tie, though I like the Mustang chase over the Alps and Rome sequences.

    Humour: DAF, only very slightly, with the whole scene in the penthouse

    Cinematography: Tie. Car chases are of course, the highlight of both.

    Benign Bizarre: DAF. This IS the seventies, mind you.

    Suspense: DAF. Elevator scenes and pipe machines, please!

    Minor Characters: Tie. Q and Moneypenny sure get a fair bit of action and helping in both.

    Glamour: DAF. Vegas seems to help a lot.

    Bond performance: DAF. Craig sounds so boring at times.

    12-1-5, DAF wins. I think I love it too much, but oh well.


  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Nice to see some DAF love. Although it won't beat SPECTRE, I'm happy it won't be a slam dunk.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited July 2016 Posts: 7,207
    I fail to see how Vegas can be glamourous, it is vulgar and lacking in style or class. Expensive doesn't necessarily mean stylish. Vegas is like a Lamborghini, expensive but tasteless.
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    Spectre vs. Diamonds Are Forever


    12-6, DAF wins. I think I love it too much, but oh well.


    At a glance, you only have Spectre down for 1 win.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Spectre vs Diamonds are Forever

    PTS: SP - An interesting action piece with some increadable flying versus a mud-bath and a topless girl.
    Title track: DAF easy
    Title credits: SP this one was a close call, love the DAF credits, but the SP even more so.
    Main villain: SP At least he's a true villain instead of a drag queen.
    Main Bond girl: SP Still in love with Lea.
    Henchman: SP Hinx is far more menacing then Wint and Kidd. Love them though.
    Plot: SP Not the strongest, but DAF's has so many holes in it the film just doesn't make sense anymore. Film scripts are obviously not what Dahl is good at.
    Dialogue: DAF, one thing Dahl did right.
    Score: DAF By far.
    Settings: SP Amsterdam, even then, isn't that glamourous.
    Action: SP It may not be the most exciting action, except for the helicopter and Hinx, but it's still miles away from the utter boredom in DAF's action sequences.
    Humour: SP I like the darker version.
    Cinematography: SP hands down.
    Benign Bizarre: DAF As there's little in SP.
    Suspense: SP Again, at least in SP there's some. DAF lacks it completely.
    Minor Characters: SP Wint and Kidd are entertaining, but Mr. White on his own beats them easily, not even mentioning the Sciara's.
    Glamour: SP Obviously.
    Bond performance: SP By miles. It may not be Craig's best performance, but it's way better then a bored Connery.

    SP - 14
    DAF - 4
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,331
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I fail to see how Vegas can be glamourous, it is vulgar and lacking in style or class. Expensive doesn't necessarily mean stylish. Vegas is like a Lamborghini, expensive but tasteless.

    I'd compare it to a Porsche: boring as hell and the Obvious choice for those with no taste wanting to show off their money.
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    PTS: SP
    Title track: DAF
    Title credits: SP
    Main villain: SP
    Main Bond girl: SP
    Henchman: SP
    Plot: SP
    Dialogue: SP
    Score: DAF
    Settings: SP
    Action: SP
    Humour: SP
    Cinematography: SP
    Benign Bizarre: DAF
    Suspense: SP
    Minor Characters: SP
    Glamour: SP
    Bond performance: SP

    SP wins 15-3
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    PTS: SP (I rate DAF's higher than most, but "Cai, cai, Cairo!" SP's is an instant classic.)

    Title track: DAF (Goes without saying.)

    Title credits: SP (SP wins by virtue of greater creativity.)

    Main villain: DAF (At least Grey is amusing.)

    Main Bond girl: SP (Craig's leading ladies have all been superb.)

    Henchman: DAF (Hinx is marvelous, but W&K are unique and so very droll.)

    Plot: SP (SP's plot is underrated. I love the idea of using terrorist attacks to herd recalcitrant states into a corrupted security apparatus.)

    Dialogue: DAF (No contest. DAF's dialogue may be the best in the series.)

    Score: DAF (Barry was at the peak of his powers in DAF and OHMSS.)

    Settings: SP (Vegas and North Africa tie, but Rome gives SP the overall edge.)

    Action: SP (A relatively easy win for SP. I do love Seanery's mountaineering though.)

    Humour: DAF (The wittiest bond film of them all.)

    Cinematography: SP (The more recent films usually win this category.)

    Benign Bizarre: DAF (Strengths of both films, but DAF is the textbook example of Benign Bizarre.)

    Suspense: SP

    Minor Characters: DAF (DAF blows 'em all away in this category.)

    Glamour: SP (A fairly easy call. I love Vegas in '71, but not because of its glamor.)

    Bond performance: SP (Seanery was better here than in YOLT, but still was a bit somnolent.)

    SP: 10
    DAF: 8
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