What is your breaking point that would make you stop being a Bond fan.

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    You know? Out of random...

    I think Gillian Anderson would be hell of a Moneypenny if they were to replace Naomie Harris. I'd love to see Gillian in the role.
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    I vote Tom Hughes (1986) He is just young enough, 30 this year. He's got the right look. Very good hair.
    Assuming he has proper height (ballpark 6'2) Sean and Rog were easy 6'2.
    Assuming he can act at least as well as Laz (that:s all I ask) I think he's a slam dunk!
    The others are all too old. Turner is already 33.
    Hiddleston is Loki. He's too skinny and he's got a face like a rat. He makes a good Loki though, slimey weasly foil for Thor.
    Fassbender can audition for M, if Fiennes quits.
    #makeBondyoungAgain
    #mandatory00retirementage
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Hughes looks like a younger version of Ben Whishaw. Do we really need that type for Bond?
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Hughes looks like a younger version of Ben Whishaw. Do we really need that type for Bond?
    I'm just going by the head shot posted/framed a few pages back.I'm assuming there was some screening process
    If he is slight of build, doesn't move well, and can't bring the requisite alpha, then forget about him.

    I would start auditioning age 26-29with right look.
    Limited experience is fine. Director can whip into shape as long as their name isn't Forster,Mendes or Haggis.
    At the snails pace that they make these movies now, we'll be lucky to get 3 movies before the 40-45 final swan song years hit.


  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Well, I beg to differ. I prefer a Bond actor to be in his 40-45 years of age and possibly beyond in his tenure. Today's actors below the age of 40 look like 12 year olds.
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    But the OO game is a young man's game. Bond is mature and worldly but also young and brash.
    Prime Bond age is 30-39. These are a man's mature prime years when he is most effective as OO vintage blunt instrument.
    Fleming wrote Bond in his 30's with 45 as mandatory retirement age.
    Connery played Bond in his prime years. Laz would have too if he'd stayed.
    The others all started too old IMO.
    Anyway for me Bond is perennially 30-36, fit and in fighting trim, but still young enough that he can indulge his indulgences, without big blowback, and he can smoothy move on the young women without any age issues.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Times do change. The Mandatory age is way above 45, these days. Fleming's Bond was in his late 30s from what I remember with no specific age given. And mind you, Fleming's Bond did look rugged and darkly handsome, not some schoolboy trying to impress young girls in their teens. Nowadays, the rugged look doesn't come until after the age of 40 with the majority. Bond has to be the guy who looks rugged, intimidating and dangerous with a very powerful template.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think it's the cleaner lifestyle and better diets that are keeping these chaps younger looking for longer. I'd prefer a little more mileage on them too, just for credibility purposes.
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    I don't think anything has changed. Young guys move better. They are also brasher. 40plus are more reflective, less effective as blunt instrument.
    Ideal soldiers are in their 20's . But OO agents require some maturity and worldliness, so 30's is trade-off. 40 plus make good training officers and they can double-date with MP and her friends, while the brash young 00's catch the eye of the skinny models, and other assorted fast women

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it's the cleaner lifestyle and better diets that are keeping these chaps younger looking for longer. I'd prefer a little more mileage on them too, just for credibility purposes.
    Personally, I was in the best shape of my life between 40 & 50... absolute peak being 45. And even now at 56 I could probably win a fight with my 30 year old self (but not my 45 year old version).
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Hey, don't beat yourself up about it ! ;)
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    Problem with casting a Bond actor in his 40s now is that he won,t have many movies ahead of him. And even if he looks younger than his age (like Brosnan did), there is a risk he ends up looking very much his age as time catches up with him (again, like Brosnan).

    Young actors lack experience and that may be an issue, but we are talking about actors. Professional actors who learned their trade and can invest in a role and know how to inhabit a character. Of course, there is a lot of pressure playing such iconic role as Bond, but is there any less playing say a Shakespeare character?
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 4,622
    But I am not talking about fitness. I am talking about the natural brash energy that comes with being young. Its not there when you are middle aged, because you have lived some and have more of a reflective nature, even if in top shape.
    The young guys though are making their initial impact. They can also booze and womanize and do all sorts of shit without thinking about it too much.
    I played in organized hockey into my mid-thirties. I quit at 36 not because I couldn't still play. I could move around the ice just fine, shoot the puck, chase it down, all the stuff you need to do but I didn't have the same energy the same passion, the same will to compete that the younger guys had, so I packed it in, and dropped down to pick-up ie play in an informal way, not as part of a team, that's competing to win.

    Take for example Craig's plane antics in SP. Craig even though he was 46-47 when he made the film, is doing what a brash young agent would do.

    But he's acting. In real life I don't think a guy nearing 50, tears off in a plane like that. He'd take a less reckless approach. More to the point he's not likely to even be in such a situation. Out in the field risking life and limb.
    But a prime age 00, sure why not- brashness of youth- that feeling of indestructibility. But Craig's playing the character James Bond, danger man, man of action, but I think 007 is far more believable as a 30ish, than a middle aged op.
    I do think the 00 game is a young mans game, and that's how Fleming wrote it. And he had experience with such matters. By all accounts he was a brash young adventurous guy himself, who'd passed out of that phase and into a full blown middle-aged phase.
    He was about right, I think, with 45 being a mandatory retirement age, based on his own understanding of the temperament required for such a job.
    A guy like Bond would be formidable and dangerous his whole life, but his prime years are still his 30's.
    Connery purposely played a slower Bond in NSNA. He insisted on playing a Bond pulled out of retirement. This Bond was still formidable but he wasn't energized to the same degree.
    He could do the job but did he really want to be doing it?
    If I was a 00 agent ( and that of course is a pipe dream) I think I might be ready to step aside at 45 after 25 or so years of action man. It might feel like time, especially when there are younger versions of yourself who might benefit from your training and experience.

    Anyway if I'm a special ops chief, I don't think I'd want a bunch of 40 year olds in my crew.
    I'd want guys in their prime blunt instrument years and experienced 40 somethings to train them,lead them and keep them sharp.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think it all depends on the actor. Some actors can still bring that raw energy even in or close to their 40's. Craig is a perfect example, as he embodied youthful exuberance and brashness in CR and I believe he was about 38 at the time. I'm quite happy that Babs didn't cast 'youngster' Cavill instead, or we might have had a disaster on our hands imho.

    I think a lot of younger actors today, apart from looking like kids, just don't quite bring the maturity that is required for the role. I see a parallel in Tom Cruise. When I watch the first MI film now, Cruise seems too young for Hunt almost. Sure, he's energetic and full of gusto, but I much prefer the seasoned vet he played in MI4 & especially 5. There is a weariness there which translates nicely onto film. Now even here there are exceptions of course. Christian Bale was perfect for Wayne (and even Bond imho) at 31 in 2005.

    So I'd prefer mid 30's to early 40's as a start, but they'd better start churning them out quicker for the fella to have a nice run. Overrule that MGM clown I say, and let's get more Bond films, even if it means (controversially perhaps) a Vader like Disney takeover to get it going.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    Id like to say im warming up to the possibility of Idris Elba but not because he is black but because he would following the atype of Bond Craig did and its the most obvious thing to cast a Craig similar in style if we are going to continue with his timeline.

    if they are going with this much more physical imposing Bond Elba is very much a good pick. Like Craig is masculine attractive with a great Body and tall.

    i prefer the classic formula but if the producers don't then Elba is the one who makes the most sense. Hardy he can pull of mean and a killer but not so well a seducer.

    like ive been saying so If we get...

    Tom Hidleston or Aidan Turner would be like getting Timothy Dalton
    Michael Fassbender would be like Sean Connery
    Idris Elba would be like Daniel Craig
    Henry Cavil would be like Pierce Brosnan





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    1979 Luke Evans - 2
    1977 Michael Fassbender - 13
    1982 Jack Huston - 1
    1981 Rupert Friend - 2
    1989 Sonny Robertson - 1
    1972 Idris Elba - 2
    1980 Charlie Hunnam - 1
    1990 Jack O'Connell - 1
    1983 Aidan Turner - 15
    1981 Tom Hiddleston - 16
    1986 Tom Hughes - 1

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  • edited June 2016 Posts: 1,661
    Well, I beg to differ. I prefer a Bond actor to be in his 40-45 years of age and possibly beyond in his tenure. Today's actors below the age of 40 look like 12 year olds.

    Interesting point. I never thought Roger Moore looked that old in AVTAK but that tends to be a minority view. If an actor ticked all the boxes but was in mid 40s it's possible EON would consider him. I suppose the studio would prefer a younger guy - perhaps easier to market to younger people? - but Sam Mendes said B Broccoli makes the final decision.

    Former Sony Pictures boss, Amy Pascal, wanted Idris Elba to take over after Craig. Elba is 43.
    Gawker favorite Amy Pascal wants Idris Elba to play James Bond, The Daily Beast reports. "Idris should be the next bond," Pascal wrote in a January 4, 2014 email to Elizabeth Cantillon, former executive vice president of production for Columbia Pictures. Columbia distributes the Bond franchise.

    http://gawker.com/leaked-amy-pascal-email-idris-elba-should-be-the-next-1673843286
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    Amy Pascal is hardly an example for inspired ideas. She also thinks a full female Ghostbusters team was the way to go for the franchise.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Amy Pascal is hardly an example for inspired ideas. She also thinks a full female Ghostbusters team was the way to go for the franchise.

    Pascal was the go-to agenda pusher at Sony, it seems.

    "Let's have a black Bond."
    Why?
    "Because."

    "Let's have an all-female Ghostbusters."
    Why?
    "Also because."

    "Let's have a black, gay, female Spider-Man."
    Why?
    "Oh come on, do I really need to spell it out for you?"


    I made up that last one (I think), but you get the gist.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    You made it up ! :(( Damn I was looking forward to that.
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    Amy Pascal must be such a pleasure to work with. Suggesting a new actor for a role already played by someone else, messing up with a beloved franchise...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Fleming s Bond was 35-43 over a twelve year period, I believe. A new Bond should be in his 30s or early 40s imo.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Well, I beg to differ. I prefer a Bond actor to be in his 40-45 years of age and possibly beyond in his tenure. Today's actors below the age of 40 look like 12 year olds.

    Interesting point. I never thought Roger Moore looked that old in AVTAK but that tends to be a minority view. If an actor ticked all the boxes but was in mid 40s it's possible EON would consider him. I suppose the studio would prefer a younger guy - perhaps easier to market to younger people? - but Sam Mendes said B Broccoli makes the final decision.

    Former Sony Pictures boss, Amy Pascal, wanted Idris Elba to take over after Craig. Elba is 43.
    Good thing that idiot is no longer making decisions on the franchise. I've had enough of her.
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    Fleming s Bond was 35-43 over a twelve year period, I believe. A new Bond should be in his 30s or early 40s imo.

    Nowadays, given the three years gap between movies, I would say ideally in his early 30s when cast. 40 is now a bit old.

    People should keep in mind that there is a difference between young and youthful. Nobody wants a youthful looking Bond (or not many people do anyway). But a young Bond would be fine, if he has the right presence and a certain maturity. Hugh Jackman was what, 32 when cast as Wolverine? That was fairly young, especially for the character (even taking into account that Logan is ageless), but he did not look youthful. Granted, that was more than 15 years ago, but there should be at least some young British actors who don't look youthful.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    If they go with three or four year gaps from now on, it's likely that actors will be doing four films, five at best. Even if they cast a 25 year old, they can't expect him to commit to series for 15 or 20 years.

    An actor plays Bond for 10-13 years, and that's it. At that point, either he wants to move on, or they want to replace him.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 4,622
    I am more and more sold on this Tom Hughes chap. He's 30 this year. He's got the Bond look and he does have a mature manner about him.
    I do like the way he conducts himself in the below interview.


    He is also a correct height 6'1. It does appear he has acting chops. I could see him being whipped into Bond shape by a good director. He's pretty close as it is.
    I could see him finding a nasty Bond edge but tempered by Connery/Moore-esqe relaxed cool.
    He speaks well. There is also no doubting his English gentleman bonafides either.
    I could see Eon launching a brand new marketing campaign around this guy as the exciting new Bond.
    If he can act and it does appear he can, he could play a young but mature Bond and he'll be 33-35 before you know it.
    And he drinks with Benedict Cumberbatch. They have the same local pub. :D

    He's got some spy-tv cred too



    Good pic here
    He's a tad slight but get him in the gym. No problem. He's got a good frame and he does seem to move well.

    http://m.imdb.com/name/nm3433735/mediaviewer/rm3618147328
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'm open to Hughes also. He can clean up pretty nicely and I enjoyed his work on The Game. Atypical perhaps, but has potential. He could look better with a few more years in him.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @timmer, I like the looks of Hughes too, and I will definitely be checking out The Game to see him in action. He kind of represents to me a direction I'd love to see EON go in once Dan is done in the role: using the 7th actor to examine Bond's younger days, maybe even before his 00 status, using stories of his time in war as a jumping off point to showing us how he becomes the man he's destined to be.

    How cool would it be to get a film where we see a young Bond serving in the SOE or a more modern version of a military secret operations force, getting his first kills that will award him his 00 status? The thrill that could be derived from adapting to the screen his killing of the Japanese spy on the thirty-sixth floor of the RCA Building at Rockefeller Center in New York City or his termination of the Norwegian double agent who betrayed two of his colleagues? A clever writer could use the storytelling of the film to impact why Bond chooses those targets. Say for instance that in the latter case, the two betrayed agents were good friends of Bonds from war, who were taken from him in cold blood. Bond would then use all his resources to track down who was responsible and wipe their record, as it were.

    Hughes has really impressed me, from what I've seen of him. He's got cruel features, a favorite adjective to describe Bond, and in his performances he is able to easily transmit a sense of darkness and hellfire determination behind the eyes. He also has great command of himself, and walks with a refined air without coming off as ostentatiously prince-like or stuffed-up. Just a man who has his own style in check, and who can keep an unflappable and sophisticated way about himself. He's also in the right age range for what I've pitched, and, even as he ages, he could play a character much younger than his years, as Bond would be in this case. Give him a decent hair cut, let a fleck of hair fall down across his eyebrow, give him that scar on the side of his face and I'd say we've got a winner. For the first time in a Bond film, they could do Bond's scar and actually explain how it got there, showing him injured in action.

    Hughes is also one of the only plausible or possible choices out of the many names we've heard thrown around for future Bond castings in the coming years. Most "candidates" to use an empty bookie word, will be too old by the time any screen testing would be done, while Hughes will be in prime position, and to my eyes he represents a far more interesting image of Bond more in line with Fleming's character than any others proposed. The cruelness of his looks, his slender frame, the way he carries himself all comes together to form a Bond that could be not unlike Fleming's original. I could definitely see it. But, like I said, a haircut would be in order.

    If he turns out to be Craig's successor somewhere down the line, you won't hear me complaining, especially if EON go in the direction I'm hoping.

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Another dreadful suggestion. Is there no end to it?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Delving more into Bond's backstory and history is the absolute last thing I want from the series. At this rate, I almost couldn't care less who the actor is, as long as we can get some more straight-forward, enjoyable installments in the franchise.
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