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Star Trek: Movies (1979 - present)

Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
edited July 2016 in General Movies & TV Posts: 11,119
As "Star Trek" will become a 'hot sought' item again with a new upcoming movie and a new TV series planned for release this year and next year -all during its 50th Anniversary- I like to dedicate this topic entirely to all the Trek Movies. As we have separate topics for TV Series, I kindly ask the forum moderators to keep this topic open (Perhaps we can later rename the general 'Star Trek'-topic into Star Trek: Movies (1979-present)). Anyway, place here all your discussions related to 'Star Trek' on the big screen.

Moreover, this is also a Poll Topic. And the poll question is very simple:

" What is your TOP 6 of favorite Star Trek Movies from the below 12 available Star Trek films?? "

"Star Trek I: The Motion Picture" (1979)
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"Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" (1982)
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"Star Trek III: The Search For Spock" (1984)
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"Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" (1986)
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"Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (1989)
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"Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" (1991)
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"Star Trek VII: Generations" (1994)
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"Star Trek VIII: First Contact" (1996)
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"Star Trek IX: Insurrection" (1998)
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"Star Trek X: Nemesis" (2002)
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"Star Trek XI" (2009)
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"Star Trek XII: Into Darkness" (2013)
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"Star Trek XIII: Beyond" (2016)
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  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    So as many of you might know, I am more into the less action-heavy and more 'Arthur C. Clarke'-ian movies. With that I mean I am more into the Trek movies that are more or less reflections on our own socio-cultural developments and geo-political affairs. The more 'intellectual' movies so to say. I'm also into the more exploration-heavy movies. Typical cat-and-mouse chase movies where a crew is trying to capture a villain in an almost James Bond esque fashion are not my favorites.

    Here is my TOP 6 (and the rest of the 6 movies that didn't made it into my TOP 6):

    01. "Star Trek IX: Insurrection" (1998)
    02. "Star Trek VIII: First Contact" (1996)
    03. "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" (1991)
    04. "Star Trek VII: Generations" (1994)
    05. "Star Trek I: The Motion Picture" (1979)
    06. "Star Trek XII: Into Darkness" (2013)
    07. "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock" (1984)
    08. "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" (1982)
    09. "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" (1986)
    10. "Star Trek XI" (2009)
    11. "Star Trek X: Nemesis" (2002)
    12. "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (1989)

    Let's see if "Star Trek XIII: Beyond" can live up to my expectations by bringing us back to a more intelligent, more 'Roddenberry'-esque, 'Arthur C. Clarke'-esque Star Trek. Because that very first teaser trailer, basically showed us 'Transformers'; action porn that's far far away from Rodenberry's vision.

    Luckily the second trailer made me slightly more enthusiastic. But only because after all the criticism on the first teaser trailer director Justin Lin and Paramount felt it necessary to add a bit more intellect to the film by adding actress Shohreh Aghdashloo to the cast as the (vice?-)president of the United Federation Of Planets (She is also great in "The Expanse"). Perhaps she will be a valuable character that will ask us questions about the complex unions, like the European Union and the United Nations. Anyway, here is that trailer:

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Anyone?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    My turn:

    01. "Star Trek I: The Motion Picture" (1979)
    02. "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" (1986)
    03. "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" (1991)
    04. "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" (1982)
    05. "Star Trek VIII: First Contact" (1996)
    06. "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock" (1984)
    07. "Star Trek IX: Insurrection" (1998)
    08. "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (1989)
    09. "Star Trek XI" (2009)
    10. "Star Trek XII: Into Darkness" (2013)
    11. "Star Trek X: Nemesis" (2002)
    12. "Star Trek VII: Generations" (1994)

    My top three are constantly switching places...
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    edited June 2016 Posts: 6,432
    Wrath of Khan
    Motion Picture
    Search for Spock
    Undiscovered Country
    Voyage Home
    Final Frontier
    First Contact
    Generations
    Star Trek Into Darkness
    Star Trek
    Insurrection
    Nemesis

    My order changes alot, though top two never change.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    The Excellent
    1. The Wrath of Khan
    2. The Search For Spock
    3. The Voyage Home
    4. The Final Frontier
    5. The Undiscovered Country
    6. Star Trek (Reboot)

    The Decent
    7. Star Trek: First Contact
    8. Star Trek Into Darkness
    9. Star Trek The Motion Picture

    The unwatchable pieces of garbage.
    10. Star Trek: Insurrection
    11. Star Trek: Nemesis
    12. Star Trek: Generations
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Murdock wrote: »

    The unwatchable pieces of garbage.
    10. Star Trek: Insurrection
    DUDE! That was an excellent TNG series episode!!!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »

    The unwatchable pieces of garbage.
    10. Star Trek: Insurrection
    DUDE! That was an excellent TNG series episode!!!

    Terrible I say! :P Then again I'm not a big TNG fan.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Murdock wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »

    The unwatchable pieces of garbage.
    10. Star Trek: Insurrection
    DUDE! That was an excellent TNG series episode!!!

    Terrible I say! :P Then again I'm not a big TNG fan.

    I think it was a wonderful film. Full of serious themes. It's perhaps one of very few Trek movies that really can be compared with certain geopolitical affairs in today's world.

    A) It shows how much difficulty the United Federation of Planets has to uphold the almighty Prime Directive. Especially when the Federation is torn apart by costly conflicts like the war with the Dominion and the Borg (You should watch the first episodes of season 7 of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine", around stardate 52300, which corresponds with the events from "Insurrection"). We see it now when the European Union, against all enlightened human ideals, signs a treaty with the current more dictatorial led Turkey.....all for the sake of forcefully letting immigrants return back to Turkey.

    B) And there are more reflections this movie gave to me. God knows how many forced 'relocations' humans have executed. The Indians in what is now the USA. And what about the forced relocation of Jews during World War II. It puts "Insurrection" in a different light, and it really asks difficult questions about these issues. A must-see film, especially in today's fucked up world we live in.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »

    The unwatchable pieces of garbage.
    10. Star Trek: Insurrection
    DUDE! That was an excellent TNG series episode!!!

    Terrible I say! :P Then again I'm not a big TNG fan.

    I think it was a wonderful film. Full of serious themes. It's perhaps one of very few Trek movies that really can be compared with certain geopolitical affairs in today's world.

    A) It shows how much difficulty the United Federation of Planets has to uphold the almighty Prime Directive. Especially when the Federation is torn apart by costly conflicts like the war with the Dominion and the Borg (You should watch the first episodes of season 7 of "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine", around stardate 52300, which corresponds with the events from "Insurrection"). We see it now when the European Union, against all enlightened human ideals, signs a treaty with the current more dictatorial led Turkey.....all for the sake of forcefully letting immigrants return back to Turkey.

    B) And there are more reflections this movie gave to me. God knows how many forced 'relocations' humans have executed. The Indians in what is now the USA. And what about the forced relocation of Jews during World War II. It puts "Insurrection" in a different light, and it really asks difficult questions about these issues. A must-see film, especially in today's fucked up world we live in.

    The whole thing is, There was no need for the Forced relocation. The entire planet was covered with the life prolonging radiation that Starfleet and the villains ultimately wanted. All they had to do is ask the Ba'ku to put a settlement on the opposite end of the planet and no one would bother each other. The conflict was pointless. Why go to the trouble to move the Ba'ku when there was the entire planet which seemed to be basically uninhabited aside from the previously mentioned Ba'ku Colony. Heck Starfleet was able to put in that secret cloaked base to watch them, they could have just made another base somewhere else to research the radiation. Nobody reached out to the Ba'ku and told them this was coming. If Starfleet had actually talked to the Ba'ku in the beginning, they may have been willing to move or share the Planet.

    The Ba'ku weren't indigenous to the planet. They were there for around 300 some years so it wasn't their planet to begin with. Now I know relocating anyone is wrong but nobody had to be relocated to begin with. If it was a mass populated planet that would be problematic but there was only the Ba'ku settlement. Starfleet and the Son'a could have put colonies anywhere else on the planet and no conflict would have even needed to happen. It just doesn't make sence. Why was Data even there? He's the 3rd in command on the Fleet's flagship. This kind of situation has happened before in TNG and ended badly. Why does Picard suddenly have this double standard to help the Ba'ku when he'd relocated others before in TNG? The movie is a boring mess. It's not terrible but It's unwatchable to me. Along with the other TNG movies sans First Contact.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    @Murdock, you need to watch it again IMO. It's like the QOS of Trek movies; better with each viewing.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    chrisisall wrote: »
    @Murdock, you need to watch it again IMO. It's like the QOS of Trek movies; better with each viewing.

    I've tried. I just can't get into them. All the other Trek movies I can enjoy, just not those 3.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,798
    Murdock wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    @Murdock, you need to watch it again IMO. It's like the QOS of Trek movies; better with each viewing.

    I've tried. I just can't get into them. All the other Trek movies I can enjoy, just not those 3.
    I agree that Nemesis was dreck, and Generations was an abomination.
    :)>-
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited June 2016 Posts: 8,209
    Generations was mediocre. It's a shame that they didn't hold off on filming the episode Yesterday's Enterprise. It's a great script that, with a bit of modification, would have made a great motion picture featuring the crews of the original series and the next generation.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    talos7 wrote: »
    Generations was mediocre. It's a shame that they didn't hold off on filming the episode Yesterday's Enterprise. It's a great script that, with a bit of modification, would have made a great motion picture featuring the crews of the original series and the next generation.

    I truly liked "Generations". Perhaps it's because I'm more a fan of the TV series than the movies.

    What I liked so much about "Generations" was the ongoing theme of families and generations, of birth and death. It was so wonderfully woven into the entire film:

    --> The goodbye to an 'old' generation (Captain Kirk and his crew) and welcoming the 'next' generation, which is set 100 years after The Original Series (Captain Picard).
    --> Captain Picard gets to know that his brother and his little nephew René have died in a fire. The sheer realization, with help of Counselor Troi, that the end of the Picard-generation ends with him, is rather emotional an sad.
    --> Captain Kirk realizes on the maiden voyage of the Enterprise-B that also he actually never had the chance to get kids; it makes him a bit uncomfortable when he sees Hikaru Sulu's daughter after such a long time.
    --> When villain Soran talks to Picard and says the words "Time is the fire in which we burn", it comes across as perhaps the best verbalization of this movie's theme. Obviously, Picard is shocked by it as he just lost his family through fire, and that 'time' must feel like a burning wound.
    --> Soran is actually longing to find happiness and solace by tracing back his family, his good life, which he lost when the Borg destroyed his world. The Nexus can give that solace to him.
    --> Soran is the connection between Captain Kirk and Captain Picard and their generations. He decides more or less the destinies of them, mainly because El-Aurians can get more than 300 years old.
    --> Data is struggling with his own life of becoming more human. When he integrates the emotion chip in his system, we can actually witness his emotions with regard to his own little family: his cat Spot.
    --> The destruction of the USS Enterprise-D means the end of an era, but also the start of a new era of exploration and unknowns.

    I'm quite surprised people can't see these emotional complexities and themes of this film. In many ways this could have been a Sam Mendes Star Trek film. It's a wonderful, emotional gem within the movie franchise. And apart from all these ties of families and generational issues, it's actually a pretty neat action-adventure too. The way Picard and Data try to figure out what Soran is doing is intrigueing and exciting. The scene in stellar cartography proves that.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited June 2016 Posts: 17,798
    It the Loony Tunes death of Kirk that erased anything else good the film did. There are other issues I have with the film, but THAT'S the deal breaker for me.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited June 2016 Posts: 16,351
    The Red Letter Media reviews of the TNG movies mirror my thoughts on them. Star Trek Generations is one of the worst, if not the worst movies I ever saw. Again, The plot is stupid and makes no sense. If Soran wanted to go back to the Nexus, Why go through the trouble of Blowing up the sun of some random planet? Why not just take a heavily armored ship and just fly into it? Nope, like in Wile E. Coyote Fashioned he decides to fire a Missile at the sun to break physics to cause the Nexus to come to him. Then of course there is the lousy treatment of Kirk. And the sub plot with the Duras Sisters that makes no sense and just drags the movie to a screeching halt. And another thing that doesn't make sense. Instead of going back to before Soran launches the rocket, Why doesn't Picard just go back to when he first met him and Arrest him? Because he lost his fight with him the first time. Oh right, It was used to squeeze in Kirk in a movie he didn't belong in. Whatever complexities and themes there are in the movie are lost because of how terrible the movie is.

  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
    Posts: 6,432
    Insurrection is pretty poor, they rehash themes from far superior TNG episodes. The set designs and effects are very poor for cinema standard. If it was a TNG episode it would be seen as a total rip off. Saying that its still ok relatively speaking, Nemesis committed far worse badly executed crimes.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    I'm going to add points to each TOP 6, so we will get a definitive ranking ;-):

    9 POINTS: your 1st place
    7 POINTS: your 2nd place
    5 POINTS: your 3rd place
    3 POINTS: your 4th place
    2 POINTS: your 5th place
    1 POINTS: your 6th place
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    As you know, the 50th Anniversary is taking place right now. So Paramount/CBS are relaunching a lot of special BluRay packs:

    A new Director's Cut BluRay of "The Wrath Of Khan" (new artwork for amaray holder with slipcase):
    http://www.treknews.net/2016/04/14/wrath-of-khan-directors-cut-blu-ray/
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    There's already a first version steelbook BluRay for "The Wrath Of Khan" available:
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    And, like with James Bond, Paramount/CBS relaunches all first 10 Trek films on BluRay (not 4K) in steelbook format:
    http://www.zavvi.nl/blu-ray/star-trek-limited-edition-steelbook-collection/11279871.html
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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,996
    The best

    1.Wrath Of Khan
    2.First Contact
    3.The Undiscovered Country
    4.The Voyage Home
    5.The Motion Picture
    6.Star Trek reboot

    The good

    7.Insurrection
    8.The Search for Spock
    9.Into Darkness

    Not so good

    10.Final Frontier
    11.Nemesis
    12.Generations
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    edited June 2016 Posts: 2,341
    My Personal Ratings
    The Good (Prime Filet Mignon)
    1. ST 2 The Wrath of Khan
    2. ST8 First Contact
    3. ST 6 Undiscovered Country
    4. ST 4 The Voyage Home
    5. ST 3 The Search for Spock
    6. ST Into Darkness

    The Okay (Sirloin)
    ST 7 Generatins
    ST Reboot 2008
    ST 9 Ibnsurrection

    The Bad, The Ugly, (liverworth, I would not feed to a starving dog)
    ST 1 The Motion Picture
    ST 10 Nemesis
    ST 5 The final Frontier (a particularly foul turd)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Current standings:

    39 POINTS: 02. "Star Trek II: The Wrath Of Khan" (1982)
    25 POINTS: 06. "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country" (1991)
    23 POINTS: 08. "Star Trek VIII: First Contact" (1996)
    20 POINTS: 01. "Star Trek I: The Motion Picture" (1979)
    20 POINTS: 04. "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" (1986)
    15 POINTS: 03. "Star Trek III: The Search For Spock" (1984)
    09 POINTS: 09. "Star Trek IX: Insurrection" (1998)
    04 POINTS: 05. "Star Trek V: The Final Frontier" (1989)
    03 POINTS: 07. "Star Trek VII: Generations" (1994)
    02 POINTS: 12. "Star Trek XII: Into Darkness" (2013)
    02 POINTS: 11. "Star Trek XI" (2009)
    00 POINTS: 10. "Star Trek X: Nemesis" (2002)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Keep voting guys ;-)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    New TV Spot for "Star Trek XIII: Beyond":


    Also more new BluRay box sets are being released, including this wonderful 50th anniversary collection that will include all 3 seasons of "Star Trek: The Original Series" ánd the first 6 "Star Trek" movies from the same TOS-timeline:
    http://nerdist.com/star-trek-50th-anniversary-blu-ray-box-set-beaming-down-this-fall/

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,182
    Easy

    1) TMP
    2) Reboot
    3) Into Darkness
    4) The Voyage Home
    5) First Contact
    6) Khan


    7) Spock
    8) Undicovered Country
    9) Generations
    10) Nemesis



    11) Insurrection
    12) Final Frontier
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Thanks for your vote @DarthDimi ;-)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Keep voting guys
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Anyone?
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited June 2016 Posts: 11,119
    Shocking news. The second actor who played Pavel Chekov, Anton Yelchin, has died today in a tragic car accident. May he rest in peace :-(


    http://nerdist.com/star-trek-star-anton-yelchin-has-passed-away-at-27/
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Yes, shocking news.
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