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Star Trek: Movies (1979 - present)

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    It is, but again, that falls back into this being a James Bond forum; a place where three separate 'Star Trek' threads really aren't needed, only one is. I'd happily join the polls, if I had any knowledge of the series outside of the reboot movies.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It is, but again, that falls back into this being a James Bond forum; a place where three separate 'Star Trek' threads really aren't needed, only one is. I'd happily join the polls, if I had any knowledge of the series outside of the reboot movies.

    Just lock the generic "Star Trek" topic....or rename that into the "Star Trek: Movies (1979 - present)" topic and close this one. I mean, barely anyone is talking about the TV Series in there. Which is a bloody shame.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    My ranking of the Star Trek films with details, ahead of Beyond:

    12. Star Trek: Into Darkness
    The last Star Trek film really left a sour taste in my mouth. Nothing about this film clicked for me. I didn't get into the characters, the story, the action - everything was either bad or unremarkable. Never want to see it again.
    11. Star Trek
    Yeah, I don't care much for the reboot series. It has turned Star Trek into a mainstream action spectacle, which it isn't supposed to be. The first is at least put together better as a film than Into Darkness. I have heard Beyond is supposed to be closer to the originals, so here's hoping that one can be the first reboot film I enjoy.
    10. Star Trek: Insurrection
    Insurrection can be summed in one word for me: BORING. I mean seriously, this film was bland and dull pretty much the whole way through. Still, it feels like Trek, and I prefer the crew and feel over the reboot stuff.
    9. Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
    It's pretty bad, but at least Final Frontier has some really good moments between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. In all though, it's too silly, too dumb, and just not interesting enough. Clear-cut weakest of the original crew's films for me.
    8. Star Trek: Nemesis
    Nemesis isn't very good either, but it manages to achieve some good drama and action. The finale is pretty good. Definitely belongs in the bottom half still; too many uninteresting segments, and slightly missing the Trek-feel.
    7. Star Trek: Generations
    Generations is the first on my list I can openly say I enjoy. I know it's flawed, but I had a great time watching this film for the most part. It can be quite rough on the plot at points. Decent Trek film for me anyway overall.
    6. Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
    I like The Voyage Home, but after the reboot films (or at least the first one), I'd pick it as the most overrated Trek film. It can be very humorous, but the story and action isn't as interesting to me as some of the other films.
    5. Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
    Search for Spock is a little underappreciated. I find it a very solid continuation of Wrath of Khan, and a really fun adventure film overall. Not quite the best, but it has become one of my favorites.
    4. Star Trek: First Contact
    I'm sure nearly everyone agrees First Contact is the best New Generation Trek film. And it is a good one; a solid, intriguing action ride from start to end. It was just really nice to see the new crew get an especially good outing.
    3. Star Trek: The Motion Picture
    Maybe it's just me, but I think the first Star Trek film is incredibly underrated. While many call it too slow (or "the motionless picture), that pace really benefited the movie for me. I guess I can't exactly explain it, but I was really engaged the whole way, and I really though it captured the Trek feel.
    2. Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
    An awesome sendoff for the original crew. Great plot, great action, and some of the most interesting character moments in the whole series. Easily one of the best Trek films.
    1. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
    No surprise here. Wrath of Khan is the best Star Trek film. I hardly need to explain; it's got the best villain, a good amount of action, and a great revenge story. The perfect Trek.

    Thanks @FoxRox, I add your ranking to the poll ;-).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    They've already been opened, so it's a little late now. That's what I was getting at long ago when I asked why two more 'Star Trek' threads were needed. I had surmised maybe the show wasn't being talked about as much simply because there weren't many people who wanted to talk about it.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It is, but again, that falls back into this being a James Bond forum; a place where three separate 'Star Trek' threads really aren't needed, only one is. I'd happily join the polls, if I had any knowledge of the series outside of the reboot movies.

    Just lock the generic "Star Trek" topic....or rename that into the "Star Trek: Movies (1979 - present)" topic and close this one. I mean, barely anyone is talking about the TV Series in there. Which is a bloody shame.

    Um no, Don't lock that thread because that's a general Trek discussion thread where the movies and shows can be talked about freely. The two you threads you made on Movies and TV series could have been topics discussed on that thread. I don't see the point to segregate thread just because you happen to think it deserves more. We've talked about movies and shows on the thread before. You could have asked for polls on it instead
  • fire_and_icefire_and_ice
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It is, but again, that falls back into this being a James Bond forum; a place where three separate 'Star Trek' threads really aren't needed, only one is. I'd happily join the polls, if I had any knowledge of the series outside of the reboot movies.



    Just lock the generic "Star Trek" topic....or rename that into the "Star Trek: Movies (1979 - present)" topic and close this one. I mean, barely anyone is talking about the TV Series in there. Which is a bloody shame.

    Um no, Don't lock that thread because that's a general Trek discussion thread where the movies and shows can be talked about freely. The two you threads you made on Movies and TV series could have been topics discussed on that thread. I don't see the point to segregate thread just because you happen to think it deserves more. We've talked about movies and shows on the thread before. You could have asked for polls on it instead

    I totally agree!

  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Ok. Has anybody seen "Star Trek Beyond" already? I heard it's quite a bit of action porn again with sickmaking cinematography.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Ok. Has anybody seen "Star Trek Beyond" already? I heard it's quite a bit of action porn again with sickmaking cinematography.

    I saw it, It was wonderful. Best of the 3 Kelvin timeline films, And it's not action porn either. It has action but it serves the story nicely. But it also has lots of stuff for the most knowledgeable Star Trek fans. I can't recommend it enough. See it now. Justin Lin, Simon Pegg and Doug Jong created a Modern Star Trek film with heart and soul. I loved it!
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Murdock wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Ok. Has anybody seen "Star Trek Beyond" already? I heard it's quite a bit of action porn again with sickmaking cinematography.

    I saw it, It was wonderful. Best of the 3 Kelvin timeline films, And it's not action porn either. It has action but it serves the story nicely. But it also has lots of stuff for the most knowledgeable Star Trek fans. I can't recommend it enough. See it now. Justin Lin, Simon Pegg and Doug Jong created a Modern Star Trek film with heart and soul. I loved it!

    Hmmm, interesting @Murdock. Especially after I read the review from Ex-Astris-Scientia. Bernd Schneider is known to be very critical of the Kelvin Timeline films. He gave "Star Trek 2009" a meager 6/10, and "Star Trek Into Darkness" a very bad 4/10. But "Star Trek Beyond" gets his thumbs up: A 7/10!

    http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/episodes/stb.htm
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Ok. Has anybody seen "Star Trek Beyond" already? I heard it's quite a bit of action porn again with sickmaking cinematography.

    I saw it, It was wonderful. Best of the 3 Kelvin timeline films, And it's not action porn either. It has action but it serves the story nicely. But it also has lots of stuff for the most knowledgeable Star Trek fans. I can't recommend it enough. See it now. Justin Lin, Simon Pegg and Doug Jong created a Modern Star Trek film with heart and soul. I loved it!

    Hmmm, interesting @Murdock. Especially after I read the review from Ex-Astris-Scientia. Bernd Schneider is known to be very critical of the Kelvin Timeline films. He gave "Star Trek 2009"

    @Gustav_Graves, To be fair, I have read his reviews too and he seems really biased at times. Go in with an open mind and you shall enjoy it. Unlike the last two this one is better written, and a bit slower paced. The characters feel right and the villains are really interesting too. The cinematography was great, the visuals were beautiful. It's probably the most visually striking Star Trek in years. Michael Giacchino's score is his best Star Trek score to date, It perfectly captures that classic TOS sound while sometimes channeling Jerry Goldsmith and even John Barry at times. Please go see it as soon as you can. You won't be disappointed. :)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited July 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Just back from the cinema.
    You know I'm a huge Trekkie, Bondboy and DC fanboy (Batman/JusticeLeague).

    To get a new movie of all three franchises within 10 months is like Christmas, Birthday, favourite dish, lifting weights and sex at the same time.

    SPECTRE delivered all and more that I hoped for and it is my favourite Bond movie.

    BvS disappointed to a degree where I physically hurt just thinking about that crap.

    STAR TREK BEYOND

    I never doubted it will be great. But what I just experienced is the best Star Trek movie since First Contact.
    It definitely is my No 2 after the Borg movie with Picard.

    It's an insane action roller-coaster-ride of unparalleled dimensions. And within all the mind-blowing action there is the greatest dialogue and an incredible TOS feeling.
    The new character Jaylah is the best new addition to the hall of fame of Star Trek characters. She's definitely in my Top 10 best Star Trek characters ever.
    OMG I pray she'll be in the next one too.

    The score is bloody freaking fantastic!!!
    Justin Lin is a genius at directing action and I pray again, for him to become the next James Bond director.

    STAR TREK BEYOND delivers in every way.
  • cooperman2cooperman2 Uk
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    Just back from ST Beyond. I cannot begin to tell you how disappointed i am with this movie. Awful, just awful. Action porn is a great description i think. It just rushes headlong from one action scene to the next and that action is so frenetically edited it induces motion sickness. Bourne's got nothing on this movie. Endless CGI very little of which is particulary believable. A few good character scenes yes but only for a second or two before the next explosion. This has none of the depth or meaning of the original movies. What a lousy way to celebrate to 50th year. Piss poor
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    I'm a bit disappointed at this piece from the Ex-Astris-Scientia review:
    There is no real bigger picture in the movie. There is no ethical debate. And no relevance of the story for our time.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He must have missed some themes that I certainly saw. See it for yourself and form your own opinion. There's going to be two sides to every coin.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    I'm a bit disappointed at this piece from the Ex-Astris-Scientia review:
    There is no real bigger picture in the movie. There is no ethical debate. And no relevance of the story for our time.

    He obviously slept through at least half of the movie.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    I'm a bit disappointed at this piece from the Ex-Astris-Scientia review:
    There is no real bigger picture in the movie. There is no ethical debate. And no relevance of the story for our time.

    He obviously slept through at least half of the movie.

    Let me see ;) . I'm at least happy that Ex-Astris-Scienti thinks this is the best from the Kelvin Timeline movies.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited July 2016 Posts: 16,351
    I'll name off some the themes and ethical debates I saw in the film. I'm going to double spoiler tag just in case. Don't look if you haven't seen the film yet.
    There were themes regarding, boredom with life and repetition of our daily lives. Reintegration of post combat veterans into normal life and another thing I noticed was just because something is old doesn't mean it's useless. Not to mention it was very progressive towards homosexuals in a nice short and sweet scene.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    What about
    A villain named Krall adament on destroying a Union, which the United Federation of Planets is? Links with today's turmoil regarding the European Union and NATO? So to which real-life person is Krall modelled?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    What about
    A villain named Krall adament on destroying a Union, which the United Federation of Planets is? Links with today's turmoil regarding the European Union and NATO? So to which real-life person is Krall modelled?
    Krall stands for the people that feel abandoned and forgotten by a complacent union of countries that don't care for them.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Agreed @BondJasonBond006
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Agreed @BondJasonBond006

    So the big question should be:
    Do you want the United Federation Of Planets to be changed in a positive way, so it can serve the people it represents in a better, more democratic way? Or do you want the United Federation Of Planets to he completely destroyed, throwing all the people it wants to represent in one giant abyss?

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    as it's a fictional show, it doesn't really matter. ;)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    as it's a fictional show, it doesn't really matter. ;)

    It does. It's the very essence of Star Trek
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    so long as there's plenty of fighting and laser battles, and a few
    hot aliens thrown in, I'm happy :D
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    so long as there's plenty of fighting and laser battles, and a few
    hot aliens thrown in, I'm happy :D

    facepalm.jpg
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :)) I know, I'm very deep. ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited July 2016 Posts: 9,020
    Beyond is a masterpiece.

    Because not only is it an insane action roller-coaster-ride but it also has the best dialogue and best character interaction since First Contact or The Voyage Home.

    Yes it's that good and clearly the best yet of the new era.
    Star Trek Beyond may have managed to get the perfect mix of all of those things.

    There has not always to be political undertones or ethical debates or relevance to today's society @Gustav_Graves in Star Trek.
    Star Trek is also about entertainment, and there have always been character-driven and/or story-driven episodes and movies. Why does Beyond need "a bigger picture"? The guy who said that is an idiot and should stop watching Star Trek.

    As for the actors. Chris Pine is rivalling Shatner now. Definitely. Casting him was a stroke of genius.

    But the even more incredible stroke of genius was getting Zachary as Spock.
    You never can replace Nimoy but JJ and Nimoy understood that it was never the intention to replace him
    Zachary's Spock is equal to Nimoy's Spock in many ways. And the two meeting in the first movie was, sorry for my lack of originality in words, another stroke of genius.

    Also the whole cast is bloody marvelous and they don't even pretend wanting to be "better" than the old cast. They have nothing but admiration for them as can be seen in one particular, touching scene in the movie!

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @BondJasonBond006, couldn't have said it better myself.

    Many won't like it because it's the Kelvin timeline which many trekkies hated to begin with because it was action driven and young and hip but like Bond, it has to evolve for modern deceptions. ST09 and Into Darkness had their flaws, but they were still decent movies. Star Trek Beyond, (pun intended) Went above and beyond to give us a new adventure taking audiences where no one has gone before and showed us strange new worlds, showed us some new life and civilizations and boldly took us on a grand adventure. This is a TOS style movie, You won't be getting really deep TNG/DS9 stuff here.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Okay. So, next year it's may turn then with "Star Trek: Discovery". Which seems to be more my style of Star Trek.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I've seen ST:Beyond twice. Here's Mark Kenmore's review of it.
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