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The Race to be the Next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom [Theresa May the new PM - 13 July 2016]

DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
edited July 2016 in General Discussion Posts: 18,278
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So as an offshoot of the highly successful thread I started on the EU Referendum I think there should also be a separate thread on the race to be the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Leader of the Conservative and Unionist Party after the resignation of David Cameron on Friday 24 June 2016.

This is the thread for all of the developments and discussions about the candidates who will be standing over the coming months until the new Prime Minister and Leader of the Conservative Party is revealed on 9 September 2016.

The front-runners at the minute appear to be Boris Johnson and Theresa May but we will know later on this week who is going to stand for the leadership election.

This should be an interesting discussion. Let's keep it civil. I think the EU Referendum thread has shown that we are all adults here and can engage in political discussions without too much moderator supervision. Please let us keep it that way. :)
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  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    I'm all for May. She isn't the biggest fan of the EU, despite being on the remain side during the run-up to the referendum. I think she will be able to build the bridge between remain and leave Tories as well as, hopefully, the public.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    Where can I gain more knowledge of British politics? I followed the referendum, and would now like to follow this. I know of Boris Johnson as a person, but not so much his policies. I will admit I've absolutely no clue of Theresa May. Can I read up on them somewhere?
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,526
    PropertyOfALady wrote: »
    Where can I gain more knowledge of British politics? I followed the referendum, and would now like to follow this. I know of Boris Johnson as a person, but not so much his policies. I will admit I've absolutely no clue of Theresa May. Can I read up on them somewhere?

    Find yourself a good joke book? It will answer all your questions! :)) ;)
  • joshdeese93joshdeese93
    Posts: 352
    Nigel Farage for the win!!!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    joshdeese93 wrote: »
    Nigel Farage for the win!!!

    You are aware that Nigel Farage is:

    (a) Not an MP
    (b) Not a member of the Conservative Party

    ,and is therefore ineligible to stand in the leadership election.

    I thought I'd get that one out of the way early on for non-UK residents.




  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    PropertyOfALady wrote: »
    Where can I gain more knowledge of British politics? I followed the referendum, and would now like to follow this. I know of Boris Johnson as a person, but not so much his policies. I will admit I've absolutely no clue of Theresa May. Can I read up on them somewhere?

    Find yourself a good joke book? It will answer all your questions! :)) ;)

    =)), that's funny. But seriously, I would like to know more.
  • yogi1yogi1
    Posts: 94
    How's about Roy Hodgson?? He's use to dealing with overpaid, underperforming clowns!!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    =)) Brilliant =D>
  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Watch some old episodes of "have I got news for you" with Boris Johnson and you'll get how he presents himself like a goofball and a good fellow and remember that this act got him the Mayor of London gig. A job he apparently left mostly for his underlings to do and only showing up for glamorous photo ops.

    I am not sure if BJ is a brilliant act or a scary professional politician whose ideas you will rarely see due to his kameleon skills.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Stephen Crabb, could make a good PM. As no one would mess with us if we had
    Wolverine in No 10. :D
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    Posts: 389
    Well BJ's not running, after Gove throws his hat in the ring, Et tu, Brute? >:)

    May's a shoo-in. me thinks a deal between May & Gove is most likely outcome to avoid anymore animosity.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Could be, but if I was May. With Grove, I'd be watching my back. ;)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Michael Gove MP, the current Lord Chancellor and Justice Secretary could make a good Prime Minister but I couldn't have Theresa May MP, the current Home Secretary in the role. Dr Liam Fox MP would also have my support, second only to Gove.
  • Shilliam_WatnerShilliam_Watner
    Posts: 17
    I heard Theresa May is for bringing in more third world immigrants. If true, that's terrible!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I"ve heard she's bringing in actual aliens from space !
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    edited July 2016 Posts: 11,119
    Shilliam_Watner wrote: »
    I heard Theresa May is for bringing in more third world immigrants. If true, that's terrible!

    Yeah, because immigrants are not humans. :|

    I actually hope the Spanish government here will do something about the growing 'English Problem' along the Spanish coastline. They just cost too much money for the CatSalut (Spanish HealthCare). Spanish people first! Throw the Englishmen out!

    :-??
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Oh! You took the bait @Gustav_Graves ;) it's an obvious statement to get an
    argument going. Here's mine

    " I've heard Theresa May is going to reintroduce slavery, to save on benifit payments!
    If true, this is terrible "

    " I've heard T May is going to bring trained monkeys to do simply tasks, so she can
    Kill the unemployed ! If true, that's terrible "

    :D
  • Campbell2Campbell2 Epsilon Rho Rho house, Bending State University
    Posts: 299
    Gove already gets some discrete kicks up his behind to make a Boris.
  • SpectreNumberTwoSpectreNumberTwo
    Posts: 389
    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    " I've heard T May is going to bring trained monkeys to do simply tasks, so she can Kill the unemployed ! If true, that's terrible "

    Yes I'd heard the same but the monkeys were to form the new cabinet. :D
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Well they are throwing a lot of sh*t at each other ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I was reasonably impressed with Gove's speech. A bit boiler plate, and he's far from the perfect candidate to deliver it (too much of a boffin), but he hit the right notes in my view. That's the kind of vision that is required now but it's easier said than done.
    Shilliam_Watner wrote: »
    I heard Theresa May is for bringing in more third world immigrants. If true, that's terrible!
    Now there's a term I've not heard for some time. Is there even such a thing anymore? After all, the so called 'third world' is fast eclipsing the developed world in most areas. How dare they? The savages.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    bondjames wrote: »
    I was reasonably impressed with Gove's speech. A bit boiler plate, and he's far from the perfect candidate to deliver it (too much of a boffin), but he hit the right notes in my view. That's the kind of vision that is required now but it's easier said than done.
    Shilliam_Watner wrote: »
    I heard Theresa May is for bringing in more third world immigrants. If true, that's terrible!
    Now there's a term I've not heard for some time. Is there even such a thing anymore? After all, the so called 'third world' is fast eclipsing the developed world in most areas. How dare they? The savages.

    There was a moment in time when the word 'nazi' was nothing more than a contraction of 'national socialism'....way before the word became acceptable. My point: No use to 'objectively' explain the meaning of 'third world immigrants'. It's simply a nasty example of stigmatization. One that we should always prevent.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 2016 Posts: 18,278
    Theresa May MP's speech from yesterday, Thursday 30 June 2016, on running for the next Prime Minister of the UK:

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Just for @Gustav_Graves as it combines Nazi's slagging off Boris. :))
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    There have been so many subtitles put over that piece of footage on You Tube over the years! :D
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Agreed, but it just fits so many jokes. :D
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Agreed, but it just fits so many jokes. :D

    Indeed. :)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Theresa May MP's speech from yesterday, Thursday 30 June 2016, on running for the next Prime Minister of the UK:


    You know, I am not a conservative. I will never be. Because as long as I live I consider myself a progressive, which is exactly the opposite of conservative.

    Yet, by listening to Theresa May's speech in full, I hear a woman that is perhaps the most progressive voice within the Conservative Party. She says herself that she isn't necessarily an idealist, but her speech oozes a new kind, more empathic, more progressive, more inclusive and more social conservatism. And that in itself is a new kind of idealism, that not just the UK needs, but all countries in Europe and North-America.

    Theresa May has the necessary temperament that in my opinion not just Boris Johnson lacked, but also David Cameron. She has a warm, empathic voice. And although she isn't the pub visitor that Boris is, I really would love to have an intense, empathic discussion with her about the future of Europe. We might not agree! On many things we mind disagree. But to me she comes across as a woman that dares to negotiate and is even open about some other policy points that I would have.

    This is the first time I hear a politician critisising the heart of establishment politics, but she isn't doing that in a way that current divisive populists or demagogues are doing (Donald Trump, Geert Wilders, Nigel Farage). She is critisising establishment politics.....like I would do: Firm, but not in a poisonous way. Strict, but not by blatantly slamming them with divisive and xenophobic wordings. And indirectly she upholds a certain respect for one of the three fundamental powers from the Trias Politica: The Government. A respect that we don't hear anymore these days. 'Governing' means representing people and listening to people. It doesn't mean that it's a despised elitist institution or solely an institution of power. Theresa May knows that.

    Here is the part of her quote I liked most. She knows the Kingdom isn't just an Elite Kingdom, White Kingdom, Black Kingdom, Worker Class Kingdom or Muslim Kingdom. No, she stands for the United Kingdom:
    "But the mission to make this a country for everyone, goes further than fighting these [class, racial, sexual, generational] injustices. If you're from an ordinary, working-class family, life is just much harder than many people in politics realize. You have a job, but you don't always have job security. You have your own home, but you worry about mortgage rates going up. You can just about manage, but you worry about the cost of living. And the quality of the local school, because there is no other choice for you. Frankly, not everybody in Westminster understands what it is to live like this. And some need to be told that what the government does, isn't a game. It is a serious business, that has real consequences for people's lives."

    Dear forummembers? Please all utter your support for Theresa May. You can't vote for her, but especially now a strong new leader especially needs strong support. Theresa May it is for me :-).
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Have you heard any of the other candidates speeches or basing your argument
    on this one speech from May ? ;) would you also be familiar with the idea of a
    politician saying one thing to get elected, then doing something else. Like
    Nick Clegg's no university fees pledge. :))
  • patbpatb
    Posts: 4,617
    The issue with May is that, there is no sign of wanting to learn anything from the vote. We are a divided nation and we can take this as an opportunity to learn. But May has never shown any signs of wanting to listen to those who used the vote as a way of sticking to fingers up at " the system" . Indeed, her role as Home Secretary and her stance on data privacy, rendition, snoopers charter etc indicates that she is very much at the heart of the system that so many think has abandoned them. In the short term, a safe choice, but, in the long term, she will do nothing to change us as a nation.
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