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Again you're talking in labels, and no, I'm not referring to gay marriage (I'm not sure where that dramatic accusatory leap came from), but it's this notion of labelling people that some find detrimental to our ability to integrate. Most people, particularly in this country, are pretty liberal. What they don't take kindly to are morally superior brats who want to tell them how they should live, how they should think, which terms they are and aren't allowed to use... the explosion of social media has accelerated 'progression' to a point where it is more akin to a faux social revolution. The more complex we make ourselves, the more we seem to find conflict. Even your reply is loaded with passive aggression.
New ways to ask the same questions, :)) His love of my use of smillies, it's all good
Fun.
I doubt anyone will ever be able to answer his questions, and he'll never be able to
Change anyone's mind, so in two years time we'll still be having this discussion. ;)
The sheer reluctance to answer my questions, could be perceived as a huge intellectual deficit. Hence why people twist it into a "@Gustav_Graves is only here to make people change their opinions to such an extent that they meet his requirements".
Frankly, you are wrong :-).
I'm not a 'moral superior brat' you fool :-). If you accuse me of 'passive aggression', then you are perhaps the personification of 'active aggression'. Your vocabulary implies just that :-). It's quite your own deficit if you can't discuss something simple as 'progressive' vs. 'conservative'. I don't tell people that they should be conservative or progressive, like you so falsely imply. I merely ask questions. And as long as those questions cause irritation and are left unanswered, it shows that there is a greater problem in society. And only on that aspect I agree with you.
I didn't call him a troll I said he was on the verge of trolling. I answered his questions only to be told I hadn't & I should admit my shame at voting out.
I agree we should agree to disagree & am not after a brawl but I don't like people telling me what I'm thinking. RC7 summed it up in a nutshell in his last post.
I won't be - by the grace of god we'll have left the EU by then anyway.
I have just figured out how to place multiple quotes into a post (I think).
You're still very obviously looking for conflict. I didn't call you a morally superior brat, I'm referring to the raft of uneducated student-level protestors who do not understand what they're even protesting for or against (Before anyone kicks off, there are obviously well educated, informed students). Only this morning I saw a teenage protester (dressed like something from Fallout, incidentally) being quizzed about the three best things about the EU. Her answers: A) The NHS, B) The fact she will now have to pay to go to France (me neither), C) It's about everyone uniting together and having the same opinion. She was holding a placard saying 'No Bigots, no borders'. It's an incendiary act, undertaken by someone who has absolutely no clue what she's on about. Whether she is right or wrong is moot, as she proved to be as ill educated as those she is mocking.
There are 2 major parties, THE CONSERVATIVES or 'TORIES & LABOUR, because we don't have preportional representation but have a first past the post system, the rest including the SNP, Lib Dems & all the others on the whole are minor parties in the Westminster Parliament, which despite what Ms Stugeon believes still has the final word on constitutional matters.
THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY = slightly right of centre ground
THE LABOUR PARTY = slightly left of the centre ground
Basically not a great deal of difference between the two major parties, hence the majority of MP's decision to back remain, the losers on this occasion, but as has been stated, nothing to do with party politics.
After Margaret Thatcher's more right wing centralised policies, it was noted by the opposition's new leader Blair that far left wing politics as had been championed by Neil kinnock & the like had made THE LABOUR PARTY unelectable, this was due to the progressive change in the demographic make up of the UK away from manufacturing & heavy industry to service & financial sectors. So Blair manufactured New Labour which moved the Party's ideals closer to the centre ground, he moved a lot of like minded candidates into position & pushed out the majority of left wing reactionaries. This made the party more appealing to the general electorate, hence 3 election victories.
I could go on more but I hope you get the idea, in the UK there is little to choose between nowadays, no matter what the people say, because we have a weak bereft of ideas, professional polititcal class.
Politics in the UK has become stale, quod erat demonstrandum, the current crisis gripping Westminster.
Ehh, I didn't tell in any way, any way, how you should behave or.....think. Be a sport, be a real man, and show me one of my quotes where I am saying "You should think like this or that".
@RC7 and you @stag are merely irritated by me and how I verbalize things. Call me a potential troller for God sake, but as long as you talk nonsense, I will keep repeating my words.
Remain Fabulous ! :D
I'm not irritated, I'm just offering an opinion that this debate (not on this forum) is being driven in large part by destructive rhetoric on either side of the political spectrum. None of what I have said is nonsense, at least imo.
Do you believe Brexit in itself enhanced that rhetoric on either sides of the political spectrum?
If I may I suggest you might consider writing to the Government of the United Kingdom (I can get the address for you if you wish) to register your feelings about this matter.
Once again thank you.
Oh before I forget here's a quote from your good self "do I hear a bit of shame for voting so intensely conservative? Don't feel ashamed. Admit it." Thanks for telling me how I feel!
Plus in my case it wouldn't both me because I'd be too busy looking GOOD! :D
To an extent, although I don't believe a similar reaction would've occurred had the vote been the reverse. It is a certain section of those who voted Remain, and are point-blank refusing to accept the democratic result, that are acting in a bigoted manner. There is not one way to view this, though. It's too complex. To blame this on the 'Brexit' isn't to tell the truth, what has brought this about is ambivalence on the part of the political elite, followed by misinformation and then panic. As I've said, I voted Remain, but I believe in democracy and I believe this result should be treated with respect. If you think 17m aren't educated, surely the priority is to do just that, educate. Walking around wearing a 'Hug a European' lanyard, or calling everyone bigots seems like a complete and utter waste of time.
Education isn't always about pieces of paper anyway, ask Lord Sugar, left school at 16 & he voted remain! >:)
We will see how long that is the case, currently due to the party politics and a lack of leadership in what you could call an governmental crisis your economical stance is taking a big nosedive.
You consistently state you want a discussion but only as long as it's on topics you want to discuss. You claim it's a pity that people don't want to discuss yet when I posed you the question as to what option was there for someone who was discontent with the status quo to voice it other than vote Brexit a few pages back you just conveniently ignored it. But do I moan and keep repeating myself and begging for my posts to be noticed? Or worse still incessantly post an article that takes longer to read than the Chinese phone book and then bleat at everyone that if they only the took the time to read it they'd be blessed with the clarity of 20/20 EU vision like you?
It all comes across as a bit needy to be honest mate.
I'm reminded of David Brent's frustration that he couldn't get on Parkinson - 'I've got things to say if people would listen. But they won't!'
Why would he be ashamed? Are you ashamed at being an EU lickspittle?
More predictable left-wing bias from you. How disappointing that you have obviously never in your life heard of 'One Nation' Tories. They deal in compassionate conservatism and deep respect for the working class.
I happen to be one of that number myself, though I'm not (yet) a party member. But then everything in British politics is black and white with you, isn't it? Otherwise it doesn't fit in with your liberal agenda and gross simplification of the British political class, system and parties.
It was predicted Dr Liam Fox MP would be the first to go and so it has proved. The next poll will be by Thursday evening.
Is it any wonder we voted out?! Oh & just to clarify I am a PROUD BREXITEER - I championed the cause & I went out on the campaign trail. I'm just waiting for someone to tell me that I really don't know what I was fighting for! :P
Well said. Yes Gustav you're welcome to come & explore the UK & meet the people. Ask them their opinion on the EU - you may not like what you hear though. No good just quoting the 'Bumper Book of Junkers' to them though. It will sound as if you've been brainwashed by EU propaganda! ;)
Or the Duke of Edinborough!
Meanwhile after the first domino falls...............
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/349408-eu-brexit-fragmenting-austria/
Oh no, someone lost their head (quite literally) the last time that happened! There was also the small matter of a Civil War. The constitutional monarchy we have at the moment in the UK is the best method of proceeding. I know that you were only joking though and of course I have great respect and admiration for HM Queen Elizabeth II. There will never be another like her!
Complaining ( although no war is ever civil ) ;)
In the old days, you'd lose your head but these days you simply resign !
Back to my point to quote Chris Evans "Breath In, Breath Out Move On" It's happening, Britain is leaving the EU, what happens after clause 50 is executed is up to the EU, put I do believe my countries resolve, tenacity & innovation will create a better future for our children.
Agreed. What ever you decree ma'am. ^:)^