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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))
  • RC7RC7
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    I find it confusing and very sad that fighting for social justice has somehow become a bad thing. All I can really do is leave this superb clip from Stewart Lee on political correctness:


    Stewart Lee is a great comedian, but he is wrong in this case. Everyone is wrong sometimes. Social Justice is cancer.

    Do you know what social justice is?

    Yes.

    Indulge me.

    Nice try.

    Amazing. You can't even define what social justice is, despite it apparently being a "cancer".

    I can, I'm just not going to. I've seen this trap before. You want to defend your silly ideology, you provide the definition.

    Sure thing. Social justice is an effort to reduce inequality in people's life chances and opportunities. If that's not good enough then here's what Google has to say :

    "Justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society"

    You'd have to be a peculiar character to disagree with that. Anyway I'm off to bed, cheers mate.

    Problem with that is how do you create wealth? Socialism does not create wealth, it redistributes existing wealth. Capitalism creates wealth. Capitalism requires a meritocracy. A meritocracy means having equality of opportunity. Equality of opportunity is anit-Social Justice.

    So there you have it. Social Justice = no good.

    We disagree on quite a bit, but not this. Spot on.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))

    OK, what is the alternative, Socialism? Because that's never worked.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,835
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))

    OK, what is the alternative, Socialism? Because that's never worked.
    It doesn't (and shouldn't) have to be ONE 'ism'. But limited, in-the-box thinking kind of requires it I guess.
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    Nothing is black and white friends, we can still reward go-getters while keeping an eye on what we say and why we say it. It's called having a empathy towards others and being respectful to our differeneces.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 562
    chrisisall wrote: »
    That stat that says 1 in 12 black men of working age in the US is in prison must be down to racism right?
    Yes. It is. And that you do not understand it is unsettling. I could explain further, but a closed mind is a terrible thing to argue with.
    :D

    So your mind is open to the possibility that there is a destructive black culture which feeds off the victim status and therefore believe they are entitled to commit crime?

    Btw, why are Chinese people immune to this racism fuelled crime epidemic?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,456
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))

    OK, what is the alternative, Socialism? Because that's never worked.
    It doesn't (and shouldn't) have to be ONE 'ism'. But limited, in-the-box thinking kind of requires it I guess.

    I guess it does if you won't elaborate beyond vague commonalities.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,835
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))

    OK, what is the alternative, Socialism? Because that's never worked.
    It doesn't (and shouldn't) have to be ONE 'ism'. But limited, in-the-box thinking kind of requires it I guess.

    I guess it does if you won't elaborate beyond vague commonalities.

    The answer is Bruce Lee. Explore what works, leave the rest behind. Do not mind it if the collars & cuffs do not match.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2016 Posts: 8,456
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))

    OK, what is the alternative, Socialism? Because that's never worked.
    It doesn't (and shouldn't) have to be ONE 'ism'. But limited, in-the-box thinking kind of requires it I guess.

    I guess it does if you won't elaborate beyond vague commonalities.

    The answer is Bruce Lee. Explore what works, leave the rest behind. Do not mind it if the collars & cuffs do not match.

    Gotcha.
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    Guys I don't want this post to be closed, I am very worried, please keep it civil and it's ok that we're all different, now let's get back to the idea of the main post in which we post about what grinds our gears from day to day life.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 12,837
    @thelivingroyale So political correctness is by definition a good thing?

    What do you think is politically correct in North Korea?

    Political correctness has nothing to do with being polite; please read 1984 to get an idea of what it's like in US and British universities, and remember that these will become the next leaders of their countries.

    Some years ago a nurse was struck off just because she referred to the title of a well known Agatha Christie novel.

    PC is thought control masquerading as good manners. Oh and it also hides behind 'social justice', which usually means black people playing the victim card. That stat that says 1 in 12 black men of working age in the US is in prison must be down to racism right? Luther King would be ashamed of the self pitying nihilistic violent culture pervading many black communities right now.

    Well, yeah. A quick google search shows the definition to be this

    "the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."

    As for the example of the nurse, as I said in my post, there are examples of people being offended over nothing, but that doesn't change the fact that we still live in an unfair society where groups of people are marginalised, discriminated against, and treated unfairly. As for your last point, @chrisisall summed it up quite nicely
    chrisisall wrote: »
    That stat that says 1 in 12 black men of working age in the US is in prison must be down to racism right?
    Yes. It is. And that you do not understand it is unsettling. I could explain further, but a closed mind is a terrible thing to argue with.
    :D

    And for the record, I'm sure you'd be "self pitying" if you actually lived in a black community and had to deal with racism and discrimination and shit like this (only the most recent example I could remember, there have been many many more)

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air
    Murdock wrote: »
    Exactly. And It is pro censorship which is a big no no in my book. Bad things happen yes, but it's not because someone says something stupid and potentially insulting. I used to be bullied all the time in school. You know what? I grew a thick skin and brushed it off.

    Sorry you were bullied but why should you just have to brush it off? Bullying isn't okay. Nor is homophobia, racism, etc. Comments that might not mean any harm can still be damaging to different groups and there's nothing wrong with taking a stand against those comments. A "joke" can still be horribly offensive regardless of if it was intended that way, and even if it's something dumb like someone just uses an outdated word, I don't think there's anything wrong with politely telling them you can't really say that anymore. If someone feels discriminated against for who they are, be it their gender, sexuality, skin colour, etc, then there's absoloutely nothing wrong with taking a stand against that imo. Otherwise where's the line? Should a gay man just brush it off if he gets called a faggot? When faced with racist comments that make them feel almost subhuman, should people just grow thicker skin? You're right, it toughens you up and gets to the point where the words don't do that
    much damage anymore. But then the next step is actually taking a stand imo. People can say what they like, noone is censored, but there's nothing wrong with calling them out if what they say is offensive. It's the 21st century, some behaviours and even words just aren't okay anymore, and I think that's a good thing because of the damage they can do. By all means, say and believe what you like, but I think it's stupid to say people shouldn't get criticised if what they say or believe is offensive.
  • @thelivingroyale
    I will repeat: What do you think is politically correct in North Korea? Is that by definition a good thing?

    A healthy society lets people say what they want unless it incites violence. Yes people should definitely be able to criticise someone, indeed that is a good thing, but it's gone beyond that to ostracising people and making certain things unsayable, and ultimately unthinkable. That's thought crime.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    @thelivingroyale So political correctness is by definition a good thing?

    What do you think is politically correct in North Korea?

    Political correctness has nothing to do with being polite; please read 1984 to get an idea of what it's like in US and British universities, and remember that these will become the next leaders of their countries.

    Some years ago a nurse was struck off just because she referred to the title of a well known Agatha Christie novel.

    PC is thought control masquerading as good manners. Oh and it also hides behind 'social justice', which usually means black people playing the victim card. That stat that says 1 in 12 black men of working age in the US is in prison must be down to racism right? Luther King would be ashamed of the self pitying nihilistic violent culture pervading many black communities right now.

    Well, yeah. A quick google search shows the definition to be this

    "the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."

    As for the example of the nurse, as I said in my post, there are examples of people being offended over nothing, but that doesn't change the fact that we still live in an unfair society where groups of people are marginalised, discriminated against, and treated unfairly. As for your last point, @chrisisall summed it up quite nicely
    chrisisall wrote: »
    That stat that says 1 in 12 black men of working age in the US is in prison must be down to racism right?
    Yes. It is. And that you do not understand it is unsettling. I could explain further, but a closed mind is a terrible thing to argue with.
    :D

    And for the record, I'm sure you'd be "self pitying" if you actually lived in a black community and had to deal with racism and discrimination and shit like this (only the most recent example I could remember, there have been many many more)

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air
    Murdock wrote: »
    Exactly. And It is pro censorship which is a big no no in my book. Bad things happen yes, but it's not because someone says something stupid and potentially insulting. I used to be bullied all the time in school. You know what? I grew a thick skin and brushed it off.

    Sorry you were bullied but why should you just have to brush it off? Bullying isn't okay. Nor is homophobia, racism, etc. Comments that might not mean any harm can still be damaging to different groups and there's nothing wrong with taking a stand against those comments. A "joke" can still be horribly offensive regardless of if it was intended that way, and even if it's something dumb like someone just uses an outdated word, I don't think there's anything wrong with politely telling them you can't really say that anymore. If someone feels discriminated against for who they are, be it their gender, sexuality, skin colour, etc, then there's absoloutely nothing wrong with taking a stand against that imo. Otherwise where's the line? Should a gay man just brush it off if he gets called a faggot? When faced with racist comments that make them feel almost subhuman, should people just grow thicker skin? You're right, it toughens you up and gets to the point where the words don't do that
    much damage anymore. But then the next step is actually taking a stand imo. People can say what they like, noone is censored, but there's nothing wrong with calling them out if what they say is offensive. It's the 21st century, some behaviours and even words just aren't okay anymore, and I think that's a good thing because of the damage they can do. By all means, say and believe what you like, but I think it's stupid to say people shouldn't get criticised if what they say or believe is offensive.

    Yeah, just put up with it. That's all anyone can do without resorting to force. If you genuinely want to be rid of the hurt from being called a horrible name, ignoring it is the only solution available. Otherwise we're just launching a crusade to make ourselves feel better.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @thelivingroyale, I tried to get help, I reported people who gave me shit and the school did nothing. Then again, the American education system is getting worse every year so I'm sure people get slapped on the wrist for their actions these days. I brushed it off because it was just words. The one time I was ever physically abused was on the bus and the punishment the person got for hitting me was moved to the seat beside mine. Hardly an improvement. In my situation, sometimes taking a stand accomplished nothing, that's just how it was. So I toughened up, got a thick skin. I don't let that bother me anymore. And my point is, nobody should take it. I'm Bi and I have been called that word before and other hurtful words like the as well. I just smiled and walked away because I knew I was the better person. But that was one on one contact. If this was like a gang of mass harassment then a stand should be taken. The SJW's I don't like are the ones trying to have media pandered to them. Who have things changed and censored because they didn't like it.
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    No is one is accused of committing a thought crime, this isn't a time heist, and I think some of us should stop playing devil's advocate to bigotry and maybe go advocate for the children instead.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,456
    Murdock wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, I tried to get help, I reported people who gave me shit and the school did nothing. Then again, the American education system is getting worse every year so I'm sure people get slapped on the wrist for their actions these days. I brushed it off because it was just words. The one time I was ever physically abused was on the bus and the punishment the person got for hitting me was moved to the seat beside mine. Hardly an improvement. In my situation, sometimes taking a stand accomplished nothing, that's just how it was. So I toughened up, got a thick skin. I don't let that bother me anymore. And my point is, nobody should take it. I'm Bi and I have been called that word before and other hurtful words like the as well. I just smiled and walked away because I knew I was the better person. But that was one on one contact. If this was like a gang of mass harassment then a stand should be taken. The SJW's I don't like are the ones trying to have media pandered to them. Who have things changed and censored because they didn't like it.

    At least you weren't sexually assaulted (I'm assuming). That is rough, let me tell you. It's not easy for a male to be taken seriously in that kind of situation.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    @thelivingroyale So political correctness is by definition a good thing?

    What do you think is politically correct in North Korea?

    Political correctness has nothing to do with being polite; please read 1984 to get an idea of what it's like in US and British universities, and remember that these will become the next leaders of their countries.

    Some years ago a nurse was struck off just because she referred to the title of a well known Agatha Christie novel.

    PC is thought control masquerading as good manners. Oh and it also hides behind 'social justice', which usually means black people playing the victim card. That stat that says 1 in 12 black men of working age in the US is in prison must be down to racism right? Luther King would be ashamed of the self pitying nihilistic violent culture pervading many black communities right now.

    Well, yeah. A quick google search shows the definition to be this

    "the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."

    As for the example of the nurse, as I said in my post, there are ex
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    At least you weren't sexually assaulted (I'm assuming). That is rough, let me tell you. It's not easy for a male to be taken seriously in that kind of situation.
    No, it was nothing so extreme in my case. But yes, you are correct there. I was just punched multiple times and it left be pretty bruised and hit in the back of the head with a large heavy book. Thankfully we moved away not long after an I was free from that hell hole.
  • @thelivingroyale
    I will repeat: What do you think is politically correct in North Korea? Is that by definition a good thing?

    A healthy society lets people say what they want unless it incites violence. Yes people should definitely be able to criticise someone, indeed that is a good thing, but it's gone beyond that to ostracising people and making certain things unsayable, and ultimately unthinkable. That's thought crime.

    I don't see a problem with that depending on what those things are. In my experience, if someone is criticised for nothing by someone preaching "cultural appropriation" or whatever, that someone will have their fair share of defenders as well. What they said may have been divisive but I don't think it'd result in "ostracisation" unless it was more serious, ie, an actual example of discrimination or prejudice. And I don't think there's a problem with racists, homophobes, sexists, etc, being ostracised by society. And if ultimately this leads to certain mindsets becoming "unthinkable", then sounds good to me. I understand your fears and I think there is a line but I also believe that we as a society are smart enough to draw that line. This is probably a dumb example but remember all the drama when Benedict Cumberbatch used the word coloured when talking about blacks? Well yeah there were a bunch of people overreacting but there were also a lot of people defending it for what it was, a man who meant no harm (who actually meant well, he was on about the lack of roles for black actors iirc) using an outdated word that he was probably used to as a result of his posh upbringing. It's not something you can get away with saying anymore but still, no harm done, the backlash was stupid and a lot of people realised that. My point is I think people are smart enough to tell the difference between genuine discrimination and stuff like someone using an outdated word. I don't think it'll ever get to the 1984 esque world you're worried about.

    As for North Korea,I didn't really know how to address your point there to be honest. I understand what you're getting at but that's a whole different situation imo. What's okay and not okay to say there isn't decided by society but by the toletarian dictatorship government that run the country, I don't think it's really comparable to the world that you and me live in. My original point was the definition of the phrase political correctness (shying away from words and actions that could make people feel discriminated against and marginalised) promotes a positive course of action, and I stand by that, because to me it does.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Murdock wrote: »
    At least you weren't sexually assaulted (I'm assuming). That is rough, let me tell you. It's not easy for a male to be taken seriously in that kind of situation.
    No, it was nothing so extreme in my case. But yes, you are correct there. I was just punched multiple times and it left be pretty bruised and hit in the back of the head with a large heavy book. Thankfully we moved away not long after an I was free from that hell hole.

    That is rough, glad to hear things have changed for the better.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    At least you weren't sexually assaulted (I'm assuming). That is rough, let me tell you. It's not easy for a male to be taken seriously in that kind of situation.
    No, it was nothing so extreme in my case. But yes, you are correct there. I was just punched multiple times and it left be pretty bruised and hit in the back of the head with a large heavy book. Thankfully we moved away not long after an I was free from that hell hole.

    That is rough, glad to hear things have changed for the better.

    Thank you. Things did in fact get better and I'm very happy where I'm living now. Plus that was a very long time ago and have long since been out of school.
  • Murdock wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, I tried to get help, I reported people who gave me shit and the school did nothing. Then again, the American education system is getting worse every year so I'm sure people get slapped on the wrist for their actions these days. I brushed it off because it was just words. The one time I was ever physically abused was on the bus and the punishment the person got for hitting me was moved to the seat beside mine. Hardly an improvement. In my situation, sometimes taking a stand accomplished nothing, that's just how it was. So I toughened up, got a thick skin. I don't let that bother me anymore. And my point is, nobody should take it. I'm Bi and I have been called that word before and other hurtful words like the as well. I just smiled and walked away because I knew I was the better person. But that was one on one contact. If this was like a gang of mass harassment then a stand should be taken. The SJW's I don't like are the ones trying to have media pandered to them. Who have things changed and censored because they didn't like it.

    I understand where you're coming from and it's great that you realised you were the bigger person but not everyone in that situation will think that way. Words can get to people. It can result in people feeling ashamed of who they are, not everyone can grow thicker skin and become a stronger person as a result, for some people it just completely kills their sense of self worth. I think one on one contact, mass harassment, physical, verbal, whatever, a stand should still be taken. It's disgusting that taking a stand accomplished nothing but you shouldn't let that disillusion you. People shouldn't have to just resign themselves to brushing it off. Otherwise things will never change for the better. I'm not really advocating censorship, I think there is a line, but I don't think there's anything wrong for letting people know as a society that certain words and behaviours aren't okay. Will we ever reach a point where all forms racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, have been erradicated? No, sadly a lot of it is probably just human nature. But I think there's still a room for improvement in how we combat these issues.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2016 Posts: 8,456
    Murdock wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, I tried to get help, I reported people who gave me shit and the school did nothing. Then again, the American education system is getting worse every year so I'm sure people get slapped on the wrist for their actions these days. I brushed it off because it was just words. The one time I was ever physically abused was on the bus and the punishment the person got for hitting me was moved to the seat beside mine. Hardly an improvement. In my situation, sometimes taking a stand accomplished nothing, that's just how it was. So I toughened up, got a thick skin. I don't let that bother me anymore. And my point is, nobody should take it. I'm Bi and I have been called that word before and other hurtful words like the as well. I just smiled and walked away because I knew I was the better person. But that was one on one contact. If this was like a gang of mass harassment then a stand should be taken. The SJW's I don't like are the ones trying to have media pandered to them. Who have things changed and censored because they didn't like it.

    I understand where you're coming from and it's great that you realised you were the bigger person but not everyone in that situation will think that way. Words can get to people. It can result in people feeling ashamed of who they are, not everyone can grow thicker skin and become a stronger person as a result, for some people it just completely kills their sense of self worth. I think one on one contact, mass harassment, physical, verbal, whatever, a stand should still be taken. It's disgusting that taking a stand accomplished nothing but you shouldn't let that disillusion you. People shouldn't have to just resign themselves to brushing it off. Otherwise things will never change for the better. I'm not really advocating censorship, I think there is a line, but I don't think there's anything wrong for letting people know as a society that certain words and behaviours aren't okay. Will we ever reach a point where all forms racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, have been erradicated? No, sadly a lot of it is probably just human nature. But I think there's still a room for improvement in how we combat these issues.

    Correct. Human nature. No use looking for a solution where there are none to be found. That's why "brushing it off" and moving on is the best and only option to take. Wasting your time fighting for some kind of cause is only letting it define you further.
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    Mendes It's not about being defined or not, there is nothing wrong with wanting the world to change for the better.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    @thelivingroyale, I tried to get help, I reported people who gave me shit and the school did nothing. Then again, the American education system is getting worse every year so I'm sure people get slapped on the wrist for their actions these days. I brushed it off because it was just words. The one time I was ever physically abused was on the bus and the punishment the person got for hitting me was moved to the seat beside mine. Hardly an improvement. In my situation, sometimes taking a stand accomplished nothing, that's just how it was. So I toughened up, got a thick skin. I don't let that bother me anymore. And my point is, nobody should take it. I'm Bi and I have been called that word before and other hurtful words like the as well. I just smiled and walked away because I knew I was the better person. But that was one on one contact. If this was like a gang of mass harassment then a stand should be taken. The SJW's I don't like are the ones trying to have media pandered to them. Who have things changed and censored because they didn't like it.

    I understand where you're coming from and it's great that you realised you were the bigger person but not everyone in that situation will think that way. Words can get to people. It can result in people feeling ashamed of who they are, not everyone can grow thicker skin and become a stronger person as a result, for some people it just completely kills their sense of self worth. I think one on one contact, mass harassment, physical, verbal, whatever, a stand should still be taken. It's disgusting that taking a stand accomplished nothing but you shouldn't let that disillusion you. People shouldn't have to just resign themselves to brushing it off. Otherwise things will never change for the better. I'm not really advocating censorship, I think there is a line, but I don't think there's anything wrong for letting people know as a society that certain words and behaviours aren't okay. Will we ever reach a point where all forms racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, have been erradicated? No, sadly a lot of it is probably just human nature. But I think there's still a room for improvement in how we combat these issues.

    I know not everyone will come to the same solution and conclusions I have come to in life. And there was a time where words did leave me feeling hopeless and worthless. I'm glad I was able to overcome those hardships into my adulthood. If anybody today tried giving me crap, I'll handle it. I wish for the best in people and hope they can overcome their hardships like me. And I don't you personally would advocate for censorship and anything like that. You're a good person and above that kind of mentality. But I have seen lots of people who exploit PC and SJW ideals and twist it into some Nineteen Eighty Four style ideology. I hope one day all humans can move beyond these negative feelings and notions. Life would be a lot better that way.
  • Quite shocked by some of the attitudes here.. Words are not harmless and people should not just have to shrug off abuse. If we don't take a stand against what's wrong with the world, how can we expect it to get any better? Should we just let people treat each other like dirt and incite hatred? People who say reprehensible things should be met work derision and criticism. It's not censorship or victim culture, it's progress. It's the reason black and gay people can walk in the streets now without being openly attacked.

    I go to university, and it's fine. Comparisons with North Korea and 1984 (my favourite book) are idiotic. George Orwell was an avowed socialist.
  • Quite shocked by some of the attitudes here.. Words are not harmless and people should not just have to shrug off abuse. If we don't take a stand against what's wrong with the world, how can we expect it to get any better? Should we just let people treat each other like dirt and incite hatred? People who say reprehensible things should be met work derision and criticism. It's not censorship or victim culture, it's progress. It's the reason black and gay people can walk in the streets now without being openly attacked.

    I go to university, and it's fine. Comparisons with North Korea and 1984 (my favourite book) are idiotic. George Orwell was an avowed socialist.

    I prefer to live in a world where can say what they think without being attacked by an Islamic fundamentalist. No one is saying people shouldn't be derided for odious opinions. PC is literally making things unsayable.
    Bullying is quite a separate issue and should not be tolerated by those who see it happening. Problem is teachers used to be much more knowing of situations ( they used to know all pupil's names). Nowadays they either don't know, don't care or sometimes they don't want to step in for fear of being called racist (PC again).
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    Capitalism requires a meritocracy.
    Wrong. It requires ass kissing. That's all the skill you need. Capitalism is failing now because of it. The rich are in a panic raid to get everything before it all finally crumbles. They don't want to fix their system, because doing so would mean firing the best ass kissers in history. And without peeps telling worthless idiots that they are great, life just ain't worth living, apparently.
    :))

    Success within a modern capitalist system depends mostly on how rich your parents are. You can come up work anomalous rags-to-riches anecdotes, but social research has repeatedly shown that people who are born rich, die rich, and those who are born poor, die poor. Most people in our society simply don't have the opportunity and the means to succeed in an economy so weighted towards the status quo. I suggest you read The Myth of Meritocracy by James Bloodworth, an excellent book on why capitalism fails the poor.

    Social Justice is merely an attempt to redress the systematic prejudices which the limit the opportunities of vast swathes of the population.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Nice to see Stewart Lee get a mention in this thread - he's my favourite stand-up comedian.
  • Dragonpol wrote: »
    Nice to see Stewart Lee get a mention in this thread - he's my favourite stand-up comedian.

    I'm going to see him live in December, very much looking forward to it!
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