Timeline of events between Skyfall and Spectre?

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  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    Actually he shouldn't have any personal effects, the house was abandoned he didn't live there it was sold to someone in America it was blown to smithereens (oh boy will they be mad - new Bond villain?) and why the F*** did Kincaid live there I need a drink
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
  • It doesn't really make sense that Kincade is still living there though...
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 5,767
    Wow, until this clip I didn´t realise how much that bit with the papers and Bond´s justification is copy-pasted from CR.




    jake24 wrote: »
    It doesn't really, because they're forgetting the fact that Bond was in Mexico City approximately two days before. At that point he was on a rogue mission, so the "work" M refers to at the end of SF has nothing to do with Bond's business in Mexico. I think the time interval between the two films is at least a few months.
    Doesn´t Bond, when he shows MP the video from the old M, say that he was trailing Sciarra for the last six weeks? Could be I´m mistaken.

  • edited August 2016 Posts: 859
    Well, it's useless to search the amount of time between Skyfall of Spectre, because the filmmaker doesn't know themself :

    - In the script, it's say there are 9 month that Bond have received the video of Judi Dench (http://www.commander007.net/2015/11/spectre-script-17-octobre-partie-1/)

    - But during the shooting in Mexico, Micheal G. Wilson have said that Spectre is set two month after Skyfall (http://www.commander007.net/2015/04/spectre-le-point-sur-le-tournage-5-sous-le-soleil-de-mexico/)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    boldfinger wrote: »
    Wow, until this clip I didn´t realise how much that bit with the papers and Bond´s justification is copy-pasted from CR.




    jake24 wrote: »
    It doesn't really, because they're forgetting the fact that Bond was in Mexico City approximately two days before. At that point he was on a rogue mission, so the "work" M refers to at the end of SF has nothing to do with Bond's business in Mexico. I think the time interval between the two films is at least a few months.
    Doesn´t Bond, when he shows MP the video from the old M, say that he was trailing Sciarra for the last six weeks? Could be I´m mistaken.

    No, he just says "I've been trailing Sciarra since then."

  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    Hello,

    I am mighty confused :(

    I just watched Skyfall and Spectre back and back and my mind is swirling. What happened to MI6?

    In Skyfall:

    https://zombiewoodproductions.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/die-maya-pyramide-brennt.jpg

    In Spectre:

    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-t1Ps_1IUJZo/VRaRbWdvguI/AAAAAAAAXeo/XLF9t4ZXocw/s1600/spectre-teaser-016-1280x720.jpg

    Did it get bombed again????

    Fan theory: Will B25 be set between SF and SP and cover the missing events? I sure hope so!

    It felt like a few months. Nothing to hang that on other than a feeling. But it would make sense it wasn't just a week later - I imagine things like personal effects from Skyfall would take quite a while to be cleared by her majesty's government. Also the appearance of C and his team feels like it didn't just happen over night. So I'd say a few months at least. And you must be alone in wanting bond 25 to happen between SF and SP! That's madness!
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    Honesty I want a prequel betqeen QOS and Skyfall to show how Bond got so old. :)
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    Honesty I want a prequel betqeen QOS and Skyfall to show how Bond got so old. :)
    Blood Stone.
  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    Is that the one where Bond gets cloned so much he ages rapidly over a few days?
    jake24 wrote: »
    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
    Bond did not live in Skyfall since childhood! FFS! Also, what happened to Kincaid's dogs? Why didn't Bond adopt one for London?
  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    ALSO AFTER BOND'S CAR EXPLODING, DID HE JUST WALK BACK TO LONDON WITH M'S CORPSE SLUNG OVER HIS BACK? F***ING HELL
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
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    Kincaid was the gamekeeper so would have stayed on at the estate, probably has a small Croft somewhere in the grounds, his dogs would have stayed with him, Its explained in the film that bond left skyfall after his parents death and didn't return to it. I'm assuming after m's death and Silva's death bond would have found a phone probably in the nearest village, uses kincaids land rover to get there and phones hq to organise some support.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
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    Is that the one where Bond gets cloned so much he ages rapidly over a few days?
    jake24 wrote: »
    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
    Bond did not live in Skyfall since childhood! FFS! Also, what happened to Kincaid's dogs? Why didn't Bond adopt one for London?
    The most confusing time line is qos to Sf, where Bond goes from new 00 to legendry old 00 in one film! Mendes pulled a shocker there IMHO
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Chriscoop wrote: »
    Is that the one where Bond gets cloned so much he ages rapidly over a few days?
    jake24 wrote: »
    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
    Bond did not live in Skyfall since childhood! FFS! Also, what happened to Kincaid's dogs? Why didn't Bond adopt one for London?
    The most confusing time line is qos to Sf, where Bond goes from new 00 to legendry old 00 in one film! Mendes pulled a shocker there IMHO
    Maybe it was a metaphor for all the time that had passed in between films.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
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    Quite possibly, but clumsily done
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,718
    In SF, it is implied that Craig Bond is now a world weary agent that had been on many missions since QOS, But, in SP, Blofeld tells Bond 'Le Chiffre, Greene, Silva. It was all me James. The author of all your pain'. This makes it sound like Craig Bond's only missions were the ones in CR, QOS and SF.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    In SF, it is implied that Craig Bond is now a world weary agent that had been on many missions since QOS, But, in SP, Blofeld tells Bond 'Le Chiffre, Green, Silva. It was all me James. The author of all your pain'. This makes it sound like Craig Bond's only missions were the ones in CR, QOS and SF.
    Good point. Maybe Bond had some other missions in between that weren't as interesting or important to him, none that were entertaining enough to warrant a film.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    In SF, it is implied that Craig Bond is now a world weary agent that had been on many missions since QOS, But, in SP, Blofeld tells Bond 'Le Chiffre, Greene, Silva. It was all me James. The author of all your pain'. This makes it sound like Craig Bond's only missions were the ones in CR, QOS and SF.

    I had the same thought, but I guess that Blofeld couldn't start mentioning people we had never heard of as that would have confused us.
    Chriscoop wrote: »
    Is that the one where Bond gets cloned so much he ages rapidly over a few days?
    jake24 wrote: »
    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
    Bond did not live in Skyfall since childhood! FFS! Also, what happened to Kincaid's dogs? Why didn't Bond adopt one for London?
    The most confusing time line is qos to Sf, where Bond goes from new 00 to legendry old 00 in one film! Mendes pulled a shocker there IMHO

    That's because Skyfall is set four/six (to this day I have no idea in what year QoS takes place*) years after Quantum of Solace, but I agree they should have made one more film in between before going from rookie to veteran agent.

    *Casino Royale is set in 2006 (the Venice sequence takes place in August if I recall correctly), whereas according to Greene's party ticket Quantum of Solace is set in 2008. Some suggested it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White, but at the beginning of QoS Bond and M discuss about CIA being displeased at LeChiffre's death, which implies little time has past. Also, it feels weird to think Bond is still grieving Vesper's loss after two years.

    I apologise for my english.
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,512
    Walecs wrote: »
    In SF, it is implied that Craig Bond is now a world weary agent that had been on many missions since QOS, But, in SP, Blofeld tells Bond 'Le Chiffre, Greene, Silva. It was all me James. The author of all your pain'. This makes it sound like Craig Bond's only missions were the ones in CR, QOS and SF.

    I had the same thought, but I guess that Blofeld couldn't start mentioning people we had never heard of as that would have confused us.
    Chriscoop wrote: »
    Is that the one where Bond gets cloned so much he ages rapidly over a few days?
    jake24 wrote: »
    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
    Bond did not live in Skyfall since childhood! FFS! Also, what happened to Kincaid's dogs? Why didn't Bond adopt one for London?
    The most confusing time line is qos to Sf, where Bond goes from new 00 to legendry old 00 in one film! Mendes pulled a shocker there IMHO

    That's because Skyfall is set four/six (to this day I have no idea in what year QoS takes place*) years after Quantum of Solace, but I agree they should have made one more film in between before going from rookie to veteran agent.

    *Casino Royale is set in 2006 (the Venice sequence takes place in August if I recall correctly), whereas according to Greene's party ticket Quantum of Solace is set in 2008. Some suggested it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White, but at the beginning of QoS Bond and M discuss about CIA being displeased at LeChiffre's death, which implies little time has past. Also, it feels weird to think Bond is still grieving Vesper's loss after two years.

    I apologise for my english.

    QoS continues on directly (mere minutes) from CR. The year is inconsequential. Changing the ticket in Greene's party would only be drawing attention to an irrelevancy. The story is where you will find continuity, not in the detail, because it is the story, and not a time specific chronology, that matters. Think of it this way, the story exists - CR is looking at it through the prism of 2006, where QoS is looking at the same story through the prism of 2008. Basically, time specific detail is irrelevant. The SF story pitches Bond as a more seasoned agent and again, it is irrelevant how much 'specific' time has passed. Time in Bond's world does not adhere to reality.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2016 Posts: 8,404
    I have thought this was strange myself. Isn't there a point during CR where he looks at the camera monitor and it says 2006? or maybe just 06? So either way they dropped the ball there. Not only that but Bond is no longer wearing his waist coat that he was at the end of CR. Yeah, It's kind of a mistake, I guess. None the less, I think they were supposed to follow on from one another.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    So bigger question!
    Are there any missions in between the Craig films?? Since the new "M" says "Are you ready to get back to work 007", and we get the classified mission folder..: obviously Bond went rogue so what was the mission?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,718
    RC7 wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    In SF, it is implied that Craig Bond is now a world weary agent that had been on many missions since QOS, But, in SP, Blofeld tells Bond 'Le Chiffre, Greene, Silva. It was all me James. The author of all your pain'. This makes it sound like Craig Bond's only missions were the ones in CR, QOS and SF.

    I had the same thought, but I guess that Blofeld couldn't start mentioning people we had never heard of as that would have confused us.
    Chriscoop wrote: »
    Is that the one where Bond gets cloned so much he ages rapidly over a few days?
    jake24 wrote: »
    He was in the process of moving (hence why the place was empty).
    Bond did not live in Skyfall since childhood! FFS! Also, what happened to Kincaid's dogs? Why didn't Bond adopt one for London?
    The most confusing time line is qos to Sf, where Bond goes from new 00 to legendry old 00 in one film! Mendes pulled a shocker there IMHO

    That's because Skyfall is set four/six (to this day I have no idea in what year QoS takes place*) years after Quantum of Solace, but I agree they should have made one more film in between before going from rookie to veteran agent.

    *Casino Royale is set in 2006 (the Venice sequence takes place in August if I recall correctly), whereas according to Greene's party ticket Quantum of Solace is set in 2008. Some suggested it took Bond two years to track down Mr. White, but at the beginning of QoS Bond and M discuss about CIA being displeased at LeChiffre's death, which implies little time has past. Also, it feels weird to think Bond is still grieving Vesper's loss after two years.

    I apologise for my english.

    QoS continues on directly (mere minutes) from CR. The year is inconsequential. Changing the ticket in Greene's party would only be drawing attention to an irrelevancy. The story is where you will find continuity, not in the detail, because it is the story, and not a time specific chronology, that matters. Think of it this way, the story exists - CR is looking at it through the prism of 2006, where QoS is looking at the same story through the prism of 2008. Basically, time specific detail is irrelevant. The SF story pitches Bond as a more seasoned agent and again, it is irrelevant how much 'specific' time has passed. Time in Bond's world does not adhere to reality.

    Agreed, it's like 'Lord of War' with Nicolas Cage where all the characters carry the same hairstyle/style of clothing in the entire film, despite the film covering the early 1980's to the early 2000's. Basically the director of that film decided to focus more on the story and character development than in being realistic about the fashion changes in those 20 years. Same with CR/QOS, the producers most likely decided to disregard the timeline errors (2006, 2008) and took more time in fleshing out the plot/characters.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    So bigger question!
    Are there any missions in between the Craig films?? Since the new "M" says "Are you ready to get back to work 007", and we get the classified mission folder..: obviously Bond went rogue so what was the mission?

    What I can't understand is why they wrapped it up like this, just to take it in an entirely different direction for SP. Should've had the mission that was in the folder be Bond's mission for the 24th film.
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,512
    I have thought this was strange myself. Isn't there a point during CR where he looks at the camera monitor and it says 2006? or maybe just 06? So either way they dropped the ball there. Not only that but Bond is no longer wearing his waist coat that he was at the end of CR. Yeah, It's kind of a mistake, I guess. None the less, I think they were supposed to follow on from one another.

    It's not a mistake. They made CR in 06 and so every date is applicable to (roughly) when it was produced. They made QoS in 08, so likewise all dates correlate with that year. They aren't telling a story that is bound by an accurate 'time-specific' chronology. If you want to you can assume, while watching QoS, that the events of CR took place in 08. The point is, it doesn't matter (unless you're one of those people who fixates on inconsequential minutiae - it's a disorder, the name of which I can't remember).
    So bigger question!
    Are there any missions in between the Craig films?? Since the new "M" says "Are you ready to get back to work 007", and we get the classified mission folder..: obviously Bond went rogue so what was the mission?

    Do you understand how writing and storytelling works?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2016 Posts: 23,883
    It seems to me that this confusion is because there was no overriding holistic vision between the four Craig films.

    They've just made it up as they've gone along, attempting to create a loose (or firm as the case may be) link between the films, while ignoring timeline inconsistencies between them. So they are internally consistent, but not so consistent timeline wise across the films.

    This could obviously have been avoided with a little forethought and vision rather than retro fits, but it is what it is, and we have what we have. Some will ignore it, and some will fixate on the little details.

    I hope we just get back to straight missions, like many here. This interlinked period has become tiresome imho.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    "Inconsistent" is a great word to describe the Craig era at times. It's been great, sure, but all over the place, too? Absolutely. I'm of the "let's get back to the straight-forward missions" camp, as well, for I'm really not a fan of what's been going on lately.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    RC7 wrote: »
    I have thought this was strange myself. Isn't there a point during CR where he looks at the camera monitor and it says 2006? or maybe just 06? So either way they dropped the ball there. Not only that but Bond is no longer wearing his waist coat that he was at the end of CR. Yeah, It's kind of a mistake, I guess. None the less, I think they were supposed to follow on from one another.

    It's not a mistake. They made CR in 06 and so every date is applicable to (roughly) when it was produced. They made QoS in 08, so likewise all dates correlate with that year. They aren't telling a story that is bound by an accurate 'time-specific' chronology. If you want to you can assume, while watching QoS, that the events of CR took place in 08. The point is, it doesn't matter (unless you're one of those people who fixates on inconsequential minutiae - it's a disorder, the name of which I can't remember).
    So bigger question!
    Are there any missions in between the Craig films?? Since the new "M" says "Are you ready to get back to work 007", and we get the classified mission folder..: obviously Bond went rogue so what was the mission?

    Do you understand how writing and storytelling works?

    Again, though, shouldn't there be a title card or something to explain the time jump? Most films will make the audience aware that a significant time has elapsed between scenes. Also, it doesn't really make sense to open a film directly after the previous one if they're going to jump forward shortly after.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    We know for a fact that "CR", was set in 2006.
    The surveillance tapes showed the date being "July or June 2006"..
    QOS happens right after CR in real time but there are references to the film being
    set in 2008... "SF" 2013, "SP", 2015..

    Here's the problem!

    M died in "SF", so why would Bond get a message and go on the mission
    two years later? It literally makes no sense. I think it's just typical continuity errors
    they hope no one will notice. It is extremely confusing. Also, if Bond did go on other missions
    why weren't more villains mentioned or what he did inbetween films mentioned?
    Unless of course there were no threats and Bond just trained new agents and did surveillance work? Maybe Bond got the video message from "M" and it literally took two years to find
    "Sciarro"? It's pretty confusing honestly.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited August 2016 Posts: 1,003
    RC7 wrote: »
    I have thought this was strange myself. Isn't there a point during CR where he looks at the camera monitor and it says 2006? or maybe just 06? So either way they dropped the ball there. Not only that but Bond is no longer wearing his waist coat that he was at the end of CR. Yeah, It's kind of a mistake, I guess. None the less, I think they were supposed to follow on from one another.

    It's not a mistake. They made CR in 06 and so every date is applicable to (roughly) when it was produced. They made QoS in 08, so likewise all dates correlate with that year. They aren't telling a story that is bound by an accurate 'time-specific' chronology. If you want to you can assume, while watching QoS, that the events of CR took place in 08. The point is, it doesn't matter (unless you're one of those people who fixates on inconsequential minutiae - it's a disorder, the name of which I can't remember).
    So bigger question!
    Are there any missions in between the Craig films?? Since the new "M" says "Are you ready to get back to work 007", and we get the classified mission folder..: obviously Bond went rogue so what was the mission?

    Do you understand how writing and storytelling works?



    Considering I have worked on several films and been a somewhat professional actor for 12 years I would say more than you will ever know.. It's a continuation error. No need to be a dick but what's wrong with speculating if anything happened inbetween films?
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    I have thought this was strange myself. Isn't there a point during CR where he looks at the camera monitor and it says 2006? or maybe just 06? So either way they dropped the ball there. Not only that but Bond is no longer wearing his waist coat that he was at the end of CR. Yeah, It's kind of a mistake, I guess. None the less, I think they were supposed to follow on from one another.

    It's not a mistake. They made CR in 06 and so every date is applicable to (roughly) when it was produced. They made QoS in 08, so likewise all dates correlate with that year. They aren't telling a story that is bound by an accurate 'time-specific' chronology. If you want to you can assume, while watching QoS, that the events of CR took place in 08. The point is, it doesn't matter (unless you're one of those people who fixates on inconsequential minutiae - it's a disorder, the name of which I can't remember).
    So bigger question!
    Are there any missions in between the Craig films?? Since the new "M" says "Are you ready to get back to work 007", and we get the classified mission folder..: obviously Bond went rogue so what was the mission?

    Do you understand how writing and storytelling works?

    Again, though, shouldn't there be a title card or something to explain the time jump? Most films will make the audience aware that a significant time has elapsed between scenes. Also, it doesn't really make sense to open a film directly after the previous one if they're going to jump forward shortly after.

    There is no time jump.
    Also, if Bond did go on other missions why weren't more villains mentioned or what he did inbetween films mentioned?

    Not how storytelling works. Why does this need to be known? It doesn't.
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